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Way to generalize and dismiss us.

I work in IT...change happens.

But choosing to abandon TouchID and adopt FaceID all at the same time in the ipX...it's presumptuous at worst and ??? at best.

Well they couldn't get Touch ID to work under the screen and it would have been terrible going on the back so they chose another option big deal. I was using iPhones before Touch ID so I don't care whether its there or not. I care more about getting a full usable screen whilst keeping the phone body size small.

Those who care about Touch ID (Which arrived on the iPhone 5S) can stick with the iPhone 8/8 Plus? So i don't see the issue here.
 
How did any of you manage to live when the iPhone 5 was new? :confused:
What is your point? The iPhone 5 was unlocked the same as every iPhone that preceded it. Why in the world would anyone have an issue with something that worked the same as it always did?



Mike
 
Honestly the main reason I decided to skip on the iPhone X is partly because of face ID. I just don't feel comfortable someone obtaining my phone and simply having access to it by pointing it to my face. Your natural reaction would be to look at whatever someone is calling your attention to........... and just..... no thanks. Second reason being the nightmare it will be to obtain it when it launches, and third reason is basically the price. I can't justify the price difference for facial ID and an OLED screen.

edit: Obviously I'm pretty sure there's an option to disable face ID and using the passcode instead, or at least that's what I would do just to be safe. I'm going to wait it out and wait for real world feedback / kinks worked out. I also want to see what next year brings in terms of OLED for the other models on the line up. Another thing to keep in mind is that if for some reason facial ID fails to recognize you for whatever reason, you're basically screwed out of using apple pay when you need it.
 
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What is your point? The iPhone 5 was unlocked the same as every iPhone that preceded it. Why in the world would anyone have an issue with something that worked the same as it always did?



Mike

The first post guy is complaining that he might need to lean over slightly and look at his phone to unlock it, something that you had to do with every non-touchID iPhone ever.
 
The first post guy is complaining that he might need to lean over slightly and look at his phone to unlock it, something that you had to do with every non-touchID iPhone ever.
This implies that it is okay to remove any features at all since "hey we got by without them before." If Ford decided to use voice commands to start their cars, and removed push-button start--leaving key start as the only other option, I can understand someone not buying a Ford due to that, especially if they really liked push-button start. I certainly wouldn't tell them that they did just fine before push-button start existed.

I am now officially going to hell for using a car analogy.



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Well to be fair, and you have every right now to like the change, it doesn't necessarily mean it's "bad" for everyone. I am assuming he was interested in a gesture based UI since the Palm Pre days. I know I was. Face ID looks to be a nice step forward considering you won't even really need to think about authenticating it. Pick up your phone and swipe to your homescreen. Brings back the old swipe to unlock people loved. The X overall is a step forward in what a phone UI can be like. The 8 and prior will stick around for a couple years until more people are ready for the change, but some people like the poster and myself are okay with the change right now. There is no wrong choice here.

You dont need to think about authenticating touch id just touch it. Again change for the sake of chaneg doesn't make it a step forward. I also find those two statements pretty funny next to each other. The UI seems more like a step backwards than forwards. Thats not only an X problem, but its exacerbated by the notch and lack of home button. While one choice over another may not be bad for "everyone" but it certainly can be a bad decsion.


No, I wanted the home button gone, to get more screen real estate. I wanted the phone to go all screen after the 4S came out and i've had to wait all these years to finally see it come to fruition. No doubt I'm buying the phone day one.

I'm pretty sure a full screem 4s would still have a smaller screen than a 6, certainly a 6+. And again more screen realestate at the cost of usability doesn't seem like a good trade off
 
This implies that it is okay to remove any features at all since "hey we got by without them before." If Ford decided to use voice commands to start their cars, and removed push-button start--leaving key start as the only other option, I can understand someone not buying a Ford due to that, especially if they really liked push-button start. I certainly wouldn't tell them that they did just fine before push-button start existed.

I am now officially going to hell for using a car analogy.



Mike

What about pushing technology forward though? I think it's fair for someone not to like a new feature, but I think we should at least give Face ID a shot. From what I have seen/read, it looks to work pretty well. Hopefully it's something we don't even need to think about. I think that in itself is much better than Touch ID.
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You dont need to think about authenticating touch id just touch it. Again change for the sake of chaneg doesn't make it a step forward. I also find those two statements pretty funny next to each other. The UI seems more like a step backwards than forwards. Thats not only an X problem, but its exacerbated by the notch and lack of home button. While one choice over another may not be bad for "everyone" but it certainly can be a bad decsion.




I'm pretty sure a full screem 4s would still have a smaller screen than a 6, certainly a 6+. And again more screen realestate at the cost of usability doesn't seem like a good trade off

You may not need to think about it as it's pretty natural for people now, but it is authentication that takes user input/interaction. You're going to look at your phone to use it, so it will already be unlocked once you do. Personally, I can't see how that isn't better. I only mentioned swipe to unlock because some people weren't happy when it went away. It's cool that we each have our own opinions, but I am happy with them moving on from Touch ID.
 
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What about pushing technology forward though? I think it's fair for someone not to like a new feature, but I think we should at least give Face ID a shot. From what I have seen/read, it looks to work pretty well. Hopefully it's something we don't even need to think about. I think that in itself is much better than Touch ID.
Oh yea, I definitely agree that we need to see how well it works in the wild before passing judgement.

But I think we can also agree that, no matter how good Face ID turns out to be, there could also be cases where Touch ID would have worked better. I don't see that being the case for me, but it does seem to be for the OP.



Mike
 
What about pushing technology forward though? I think it's fair for someone not to like a new feature, but I think we should at least give Face ID a shot. From what I have seen/read, it looks to work pretty well. Hopefully it's something we don't even need to think about. I think that in itself is much better than Touch ID.
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You may not need to think about it as it's pretty natural for people now, but it is authentication that takes user input/interaction. You're going to look at your phone to use it, so it will already be unlocked once you do. Personally, I can't see how that isn't better. I only mentioned swipe to unlock because some people weren't happy when it went away. It's cool that we each have our own opinions, but I am happy with them moving on from Touch ID.


I mean if you can't see any drawbacks becasue you have rose colored glasses that hides all the red flags. For one we know that like touch id it will lock out if there are too many false attempts. Makes sense, but it comes with the potential problems like reading other peoples faces and being forced to use your pw more often than with touch id. Another potential issue with face id is the viewing angle, touch Id works flat on a table while I sit back, face id...I'm not so sure. No home button means the removal of reachability (as far as we know). Hmm am I missing anything else? Or well this one doesn't effect me but not being able to use more than one face could become an issue for some families. Maybe none of these things effect you but there are a lot of practical problems with face id over touch id. Obviosuly face id has it's benefits too, but don't blind yourself from obvious downsides
 
Oh yea, I definitely agree that we need to see how well it works in the wild before passing judgement.

But I think we can also agree that, no matter how good Face ID turns out to be, there could also be cases where Touch ID would have worked better. I don't see that being the case for me, but it does seem to be for the OP.



Mike

Yea for sure, certain scenarios. I just see it as a bit overblown. To each their own.
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I mean if you can't see any drawbacks becasue you have rose colored glasses that hides all the red flags. For one we know that like touch id it will lock out if there are too many false attempts. Makes sense, but it comes with the potential problems like reading other peoples faces and being forced to use your pw more often than with touch id. Another potential issue with face id is the viewing angle, touch Id works flat on a table while I sit back, face id...I'm not so sure. No home button means the removal of reachability (as far as we know). Hmm am I missing anything else? Or well this one doesn't effect me but not being able to use more than one face could become an issue for some families. Maybe none of these things effect you but there are a lot of practical problems with face id over touch id. Obviosuly face id has it's benefits too, but don't blind yourself from obvious downsides

I don't know about rose colored glasses, but I am open to change and feel like Face ID is a nice improvement over our current authentication method. Not saying it will be perfect (neither was Touch ID at first), but it will improve over time. I guess the false attempts thing makes sense, but no one really handles my phone besides myself and my girlfriend who uses a passcode to open it. The viewing angle is something to consider, but again, if you are able to use touch ID, open your phone, and then view the content you want to see, I would imagine you are in view of the front facing camera. I don't use reachability, but I would imagine some people do. Maybe they bring it back with another gesture? I saw something the other day about it working in the simulator. I am not blind to potential downsides, I just think the concerns are way overblown. People felt the same way when Touch ID and now people can't live without it. All I am saying is, let's give it a chance. For me, it looks great.
 
Yea for sure, certain scenarios. I just see it as a bit overblown. To each their own.
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I don't know about rose colored glasses, but I am open to change and feel like Face ID is a nice improvement over our current authentication method. Not saying it will be perfect (neither was Touch ID at first), but it will improve over time. I guess the false attempts thing makes sense, but no one really handles my phone besides myself and my girlfriend who uses a passcode to open it. The viewing angle is something to consider, but again, if you are able to use touch ID, open your phone, and then view the content you want to see, I would imagine you are in view of the front facing camera. I don't use reachability, but I would imagine some people do. Maybe they bring it back with another gesture? I saw something the other day about it working in the simulator. I am not blind to potential downsides, I just think the concerns are way overblown. People felt the same way when Touch ID and now people can't live without it. All I am saying is, let's give it a chance. For me, it looks great.

No on said the same thing about Touch ID, they didn't remove the ability to use a pascode when touch Id was introduced the only potential downside was using the passcode which isnt a downside when you'd have to use it if touch id didn't exist. The thing about Face Id is that they don't have to handle the device to cause a false read. The bolded part is where I think you're being very blind to the downsides. You can look at a phone on a flat surface without being in the field of view very easily try it with your phone right now. And if the field of view is at this super level you imagine it to be then you will likely get false reads from onlookers because more people will likely be in the field of view. And $1000+ is a lot to take a chance on. The reaction to me has been too forgiving and too speculative in the positive view point. I mean here you're saying maybe they'll add reachabilty. Maybe isn't good enough especially when the new gestures use both the top and bottom of the screen.
 
No on said the same thing about Touch ID, they didn't remove the ability to use a pascode when touch Id was introduced the only potential downside was using the passcode which isnt a downside when you'd have to use it if touch id didn't exist. The thing about Face Id is that they don't have to handle the device to cause a false read. The bolded part is where I think you're being very blind to the downsides. You can look at a phone on a flat surface without being in the field of view very easily try it with your phone right now. And if the field of view is at this super level you imagine it to be then you will likely get false reads from onlookers because more people will likely be in the field of view. And $1000+ is a lot to take a chance on. The reaction to me has been too forgiving and too speculative in the positive view point. I mean here you're saying maybe they'll add reachabilty. Maybe isn't good enough especially when the new gestures use both the top and bottom of the screen.

Understand. We just have different opinions. Unfortunately for you, this is the direction Apple is headed. What's good is that you have options for now.
 
I'm pretty sure a full screem 4s would still have a smaller screen than a 6, certainly a 6+. And again more screen realestate at the cost of usability doesn't seem like a good trade off

You clearly don't get it do you? I'm saying having a home button and forehead bezel are completely unnecessary and they've finally realised it now thats why the iPhone X exists cause they've realised all the rest is wasted space.
 
You clearly don't get it do you? I'm saying having a home button and forehead bezel are completely unnecessary and they've finally realised it now thats why the iPhone X exists cause they've realised all the rest is wasted space.

It certainly wasn't unnecessary at the time of the 5s when touch id was implimented. You can make that argument now that Face id is a thing, but claiming back then is just wrong. They didn't finally realize it they just finally have something they think can replace it. Oh and the top bezzel is there in the form of the notch
 
This should quash all negativity surrounding Face-ID being inconvenient to use. It is indeed a true, elegant replacement for now-obsolete Touch-ID. Embrace the future.

To unlock: You just look at it, swipe up and get right in. It's that easy.
To use Apple Pay: Double Click Side Button. Look At It. Pay. It's that easy.

Face-ID. The Future. Easy. Elegant. Natural.


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You don't even have to think about it.
 
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This should quash all negativity about Face-ID being inconvenient to use and that it is indeed a true, elegant replacement for now-obsolete Touch-ID.

You just look at it and swipe up and get right in. It's that easy.

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Yeah, I'll just keep sticking with a pin code, thanks.
 
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Was that picture taken after the 2nd or 3rd time that he attempted to get the Face ID authentication?
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No one other than Apple employees have any real experience with this new tech. I got the 8+ because Apple has a bad mojo with first gen products. No need to be on bleeding edge.

Same here. I went with IMHO the proven phone... the 8 Plus.

1st gen can wait... just like the Watch. Just got my first one... Series 3.
 
This should quash all negativity surrounding Face-ID being inconvenient to use. It is indeed a true, elegant replacement for now-obsolete Touch-ID. Embrace the future.

To unlock: You just look at it, swipe up and get right in. It's that easy.
To use Apple Pay: Double Click Side Button. Look At It. Pay. It's that easy.

Face-ID. The Future. Easy. Elegant. Natural.


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You don't even have to think about it.
Thanks Tim, I was not sold on FaceID but now you convinced me to buy an iPhone X !
 
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