Fast charging and wireless charging are two different things in this case. If you charge an iPhone 8, 8 Plus or X via a lightning cable plugged into your phone, with a charger that supports fast charging (via USB PD) as Apple has implemented it, you get that benefit. If you charge wirelessly with a separate charging mat / puck / device, you charge at what I imagine is slower than standard speed.
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Fast charging and wireless charging are two different things in this case. If you charge an iPhone 8, 8 Plus or X via a lightning cable plugged into your phone, with a charger that supports fast charging (via USB PD) as Apple has implemented it, you get that benefit. If you charge wirelessly with a separate charging mat / puck / device, you charge at what I imagine is slower than standard speed.
I have both the Aukey 30000mAh and the RAVPower 26800mAh, but as a general rule of thumb, any USB-C charger that supports "Power Delivery" will work. The key word is important, along with a genuine Apple USB-C to Lightning cable. No other combination will work.
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Thanks! I hope someone make a battery that is smaller soon. I would really like one that could fit in my pocket!
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Not sure how long it’ll last...
Not sure how long it’ll last...
The use of USB-PD is the right thing to do. Power Delivery is a universal standard - it’s better than tying it to a proprietary tech like e.g. Lightning / Qualcomm Quick Charge.
However, Apple should make it easier for third-party USB-C to Lightning cables to exist. Right now only their cables work. Well if we’re lucky we’ll also see USB-C ports for iOS devices in the future...
That is correct, and I think what is getting people confused is that some wireless chargers advertise fast charging, which AFAIK is still significantly slower than USB-C PD fast charging, but faster than standard wireless charging. And to make things even more complicated, as far as I can tell, the iPhone 8/Plus/X can only draw 5W out of the box via wireless charging, but with a promised update will be able to draw up to 7.5W, which some manufacturers are calling fast charging but isn't, because I believe Qi fast charging is actually 14W, but that's still separate from USB-C PD fast charging.
I think Apple knows these technical specs and terms are not a consideration for the majority of their customers, and they trust that those who do care enough about it will do their own research.
Why is it better to avoid proprietary tech? 90% of people will use the charger given to them in the box and will get the fast charging.
If they don't have that charger, they'll get the same speeds they have now.
The point is choice. Whether or not Apple decides to include a fast charger in the iPhone box (most likely it’s the crappy 5W one) I am not bound to buy Apple’s chargers if I want fast charging. I can buy any third party compliant USB-C PD charger (or portable power banks for that matter)
[doublepost=1506139084][/doublepost]On a more interesting note, I got around to connecting a USB-C PD Charger (the RAVPower mentioned earlier in this thread) and a Plugable USB-C Power Meter to test an iPhone 8+ on display in the Apple Store.
It took some doing, but I was able to drain it to about 70% and get some readings. I can confirm that under USB-C PD the iPhone 8+ charges at 9V, and given the current at 70%, it most likely charges at 2A at maximum speed (i.e. 18W when the phone is close to empty).
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I think the new Qi standard is 15w
[doublepost=1506141022][/doublepost]Yes this whole thing is confusing! I hate that they don’t tell us the exact specs of what we need. I already bought a 3rd Party USB C PD ac adapter and a Apple USB C to lightning 2m cable for at home. And a dual USB-C/fast charging Qualcomm 3.0 usb car adapter.
But my question to the Apple store employee today was will my regular cord that comes in the box of the Phone (usb-lightning) plugged into the fast charge USB port (Qualcomm 3.0) charge just as fast as the usb c port. He said yes in theory, it might actually be faster..
During the tear down today it’s actually smaller then the 7. But since they say it more efficient you won’t see a change. So about the same as last year..
I tested the one in the Apple Store, so it’s not mine. But it’s nice that it supports 18W charging (scaled to the current battery percentage of course).
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IPhones AFAIK do not charge faster than 12W via the USB-A to lightning interface. What you have is the correct equipment to enable fast charging.
I wouldn’t put too much stock into what the Apple store employee says, and frankly I wouldn’t blame them. Apple has been irritatingly vague about exactly how fast charging works for iPhones, forcing people to run experiments to figure out the truth for themselves.
I'm just going to settle for charging using my 10W iPad adapter - it delivers 2A current, good enough without having to spend another $50 including the Apple made USB-C Lightning cable for modest improvement in fast charging.
Might pick up a wireless Qi pad though.
Might pick up a wireless Qi pad though.
Unlike the iPad Pros, the iPhone doesn't really need fast charging beyond 12W.
I would say this is more of a bonus if you are already into the Apple ecosystem with either the 29W, 61W or 87W USB-C chargers for Apple's recent USB-C MacBooks. The only additional cost needed in those cases is just the cable.
The Belkin charged my 8+ from 70% to 100% in less than 90 minutes. Plenty fast enough for me as I charge my phone and AW while sleeping.
In theory the usb A QC 3.0 port should charge just as fast as the usb C port. Both giving out 18w right, or ur saying the 2 different cables is what is going to make it slower? I’m not a power guy so not up to par with it all. But I thought the usb-a QC 3.0 port is suppose to be more efficient in charging up to 100% since the battery and charger can negotiate the rates. Less power loss and less heat to the battery since it can negotiate the Watts compared to charging cycle. So it may not be as fast going to 70% but it can be going to 100%. Does that sound about right? It would be nice if we can use our included cable in the phone box with any usb a QC 3.0 port thus making it much cheaper to get a fast charge.
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The wireless pad is slower than dirt.. lol
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I think that is what it was made for, sleeping. But at that point, what does a cord or wireless make a difference since it is just sitting there you know.
The phone still needs to support QC to negotiate that, and iPhones do not support QC. A QC USB port is therefore just a regular USB-A port as far as they are concerned. No fast charge.
Well that’s why I said in theory. But how do we know that. Apple hasn’t said **** about this?
By being informed about tech:
”In order to make this work, you'll have to separately purchase Apple's (or a third party's) 29-watt USB-C charger and USB-C to lightning cable”
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/13/iphone-fast-charge-requires-different-adapter/
”9. Testing conducted by Apple in August 2017 using preproduction iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus units and software and accessory Apple USB-C Power Adapters (29W Model A1540, 61W Model A1718, 87W Model A1719).”
https://www.apple.com/iphone-8/specs/
”Q2: My device doesn't have Quick Charge. Is there a way I can get it?
A: Unfortunately not. Qualcomm Quick Charge technology is designed into a product by the manufacturer”
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/features/quick-charge/faq
https://www.qualcomm.com/media/documents/files/quick-charge-device-list.pdf
Apple does not list support for QC on their website nor display the QC logo anywhere.
All this discussion about fast charging. So, I looked up the OnePlus 5 and its Dash Charge speed, and it reaches 60% charge in 30 minutes - for a 3300 mAh battery! For Apple to advertise a 50% charge of an 1820 mAh battery needing 30 minutes as "fast charging" is laughable.
And oh, OnePlus includes both the Dash charger as well as the special cable in the box.
And oh, OnePlus includes both the Dash charger as well as the special cable in the box.
The so called “fast charge” needs some numbers behind it. Instead of just saying u need to buy our cables to make it work or you guys need to experiment on ur own with ur $1k device. Since they went with the Qi standard for wireless which nobody thought they would I am holding out hope that for the 10s it will be included..Thanks man