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sartrekid

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I sold my S6. It was too small for me. I like my IP6 plus Note 4 pjs lets.

How is the resale value at the moment? I am really wondering whether I should return or sell mine and get its larger brother, the Edge Plus, instead. I don't know. Meh.
 

lympero

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I think it's the exynos processor which is maybe powerful but not correctly optimized.
I noticed the same thing on my galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition (wifi only). Huge lag on scrolling pages whereas my wife's note 10.1 2014 (lte model) was lag free.
I did numerous formats, changed roms etc but the problems remained.
Then I realized that those models have different processors. Exynos for for wifi model and snapdragon for the lag free lte model.
Also my two last galaxy phones (s4 and s5) had a snapdragon processor and they were lag free on chrome. I don't own a s6 due to this fact and I'm hearing lots of people complaining about lag on scrolling.
For me Exynos processor = huge lag on scrolling.
 
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jamezr

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How is the resale value at the moment? I am really wondering whether I should return or sell mine and get its larger brother, the Edge Plus, instead. I don't know. Meh.
The resell was quite good for me actually. I made almost what I paid for it. But if you are still in your return time frame then that would be the best option.
 
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Lloydbm41

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For all the Samsung owners with lag... have you dumped all the Samsung S-Garbage that is useless extra crap? After 'cleaning' a friends S4 of all the S-crap running in the background and eating up RAM, her phone was 'magically' more responsive and smooth. Go figure. I cleared almost a gig of useless RAM usage just from Samsung apps always running in the background. Things like S-Memo, Samsung HUB, and so forth.
 
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GadgetSN

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As always, despite triple the RAM, and all those benchmark scores Android phones especially Samsung still performs like a dog. Who started that Samsung kills it thread and where is he?

My Note 4 struggles with basic web surfing. Both stock browser and dolphin is so laggy it has become extremely annoying. What is worse is that both especially dolphin crashes and reload on a lot of web pages. What is up with that. It takes about 30secs for them to load some web pages despite super fast broadband and 4g.

Could be all these ad intensive web pages. Do these ad companies actually think we look at their ads?
 
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sartrekid

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I think it's the exynos processor which is maybe powerful but not correctly optimized.

You may be onto something here. Once I've done a clean reset (factory settings) everything is pretty snappy and even for web pages that are long and need time to fully load, the scrolling is adequately smooth. The same goes for loading standard apps such as YouTube or Facebook.

After some more testing, I found that when quickly switching from one screen to another, when going through the open applications, or when hitting the home button on some occasions, it does stutter a tiny bit, but not enough to bother me. All other interactions are buttery smooth.

That leads me to wonder whether it's the code of the Google App Store itself that isn't optimized and bloated, leading to lots of unnecessary overhead, much like the iTunes Store on iOS. But that's a shot in the dark.

The resell was quite good for me actually. I made almost what I paid for it. But if you are still in your return time frame then that would be the best option.

Good to know. I still have ten days before the 14-day return period expires. Like you, I prefer larger screens (or phablets) in general, which is why I'm now a bit undecided as to whether I want to keep my current device or go with the larger one instead. As I will be buying the iPhone 6S later in the fall anyway, I'm not sure whether it makes sense to exchange my current Edge simply because my work requires me to have phones in varying sizes for testing purposes, thus I'll likely stick with what I have. The new Edge Plus is tempting though. Very tempting. I'd much rather have had the Note but, alas, no deal for us Europeans at this time.


For all the Samsung owners with lag... have you dumped all the Samsung S-Garbage that is useless extra crap?

Yep. I've removed all default apps that were removable and uninstalled what I wasn't able to completely wipe off the system.


As always, despite triple the RAM, and all those benchmark scores Android phones especially Samsung still performs like a dog. Who started that Samsung kills it thread and where is he?

Well, I can imagine that the communication between applications -> Android (system) -> hardware isn't 100% optimal. The hardware specs are top notch and immensely powerful, so the hiccups must occur somewhere else, it must be something that doesn't have to do with hardware. At least that's my oversimplified amateur take on it.
 

Savor

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You can set under Nova Launcher settings to FAST animation and go 0.5x for all animations under Developers Option. If it still lags, turn off all animations under Developers Option while setting background tasks between 2-3 processes.

I had to turn off all animations and get rid of some apps I'd normally use like All In One Gestures, All In One Toolbox, and Greenify on my LG just to free up some RAM. I don't really like the LG skin either and I have an anemic 1 GB RAM to boot. By turning off animations doesn't eliminate all the lag. You can still see it while scrolling or in certain apps that involves swiping left to right. But it can eliminate alot of the animation stutter you might see. Pure stock Android is really the way to go for animation smoothness.
 
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vikingjunior

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My regular s6 lags and every android expect pure android has lagged. In all my years the only fix is a daily restart, you simply cannot not go for days without the device slowing down. This is where the iPhone shines you can go weeks and months without a restart and still maintain lag free. Problem is android will not authorize any app to do automatic/scheduled restarts only reboots which is not the same thing. If you get in the habit of daily restarts you will enjoy the device much more it's just that way with android.
 
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spriter

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No problems here either with my 64gb S6. Real joy to use in fact.
I'd have to agree. UK BTU rom so no carrier bloat and Package Disabler (doesn't need root) cleans up the other stuff I don't use. No need for Nova with TW and material theme. And the camera continues to wow me rather than frustrate.
 

jamezr

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As always, despite triple the RAM, and all those benchmark scores Android phones especially Samsung still performs like a dog. Who started that Samsung kills it thread and where is he?

My Note 4 struggles with basic web surfing. Both stock browser and dolphin is so laggy it has become extremely annoying. What is worse is that both especially dolphin crashes and reload on a lot of web pages. What is up with that. It takes about 30secs for them to load some web pages despite super fast broadband and 4g.

Could be all these ad intensive web pages. Do these ad companies actually think we look at their ads?
That's funny my Note 4 is faster at web surfing than my iPhone 6 plus. Web pages really depend on your internet connection. That is a limitation any device will have.
 

MRU

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I'd have to agree. UK BTU rom so no carrier bloat and Package Disabler (doesn't need root) cleans up the other stuff I don't use. No need for Nova with TW and material theme. And the camera continues to wow me rather than frustrate.

Same firmware as mine. :)

Does irritate me though that our unbranded BTU firmwares haven't been patched for stage fright and yet the XEU and carrier firmwares have the newer 5.1.1 with stage fright patch. For some reason Samsung in the last year have been very slow updating the BTU firmware no matter if it's Note 4, S6/Edge compared to other unbranded regions. BTU used to be the first in the region and definitely quicker than carriers but now it seems to be the runt of the litter as far as updates go.

Tempted to change to XEU firmware and CSC


Oh and just for people who don't know about package disabler. It's a very handy tool that uses Knox authentication to allow packages to be disabled without Root. However there is a downside, sometimes it can cause some instability if you are not sure what your disabling and it can stop your device receiving OTT Updates (you'll get an error message saying device has been modified) if again you disable the wrong things.
 
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AppleRobert

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I do not understand the "I will live it" mentality. If a device does not perform up to one's expectations for the things that are done on a daily basis especially then it is a total goner for me.

If there are other things not performing that great but they are something I would only use occasionally then I can live with those.

Lots of smartphones aren't chump change, not for me anyways. Sayonara, the supposed not great thing device is right around the corner (till you find out it is not what is cracked up to be either). :)
 

GadgetSN

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That's funny my Note 4 is faster at web surfing than my iPhone 6 plus. Web pages really depend on your internet connection. That is a limitation any device will have.

As already mentioned I have fast broadband (at least for the uk) and 40mb 4g EE speeds. For some reason my Note 4 stutters on some of the websites I frequent. This website crashes 20% of the time. Its got to be due to the website rather than the internet speed. I blame to constant ads.
 

sartrekid

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My regular s6 lags and every android expect pure android has lagged. In all my years the only fix is a daily restart, you simply cannot not go for days without the device slowing down. This is where the iPhone shines you can go weeks and months without a restart and still maintain lag free. Problem is android will not authorize any app to do automatic/scheduled restarts only reboots which is not the same thing. If you get in the habit of daily restarts you will enjoy the device much more it's just that way with android.


That's the same experience I have, though I think this is something to do with Android. I've never had to reset or restart any of my iDevices, be it iPhones or iPads. Not a single time in my 5+ years of using iOS. That's the one advantage you have with having Apple configuring everything, the iOS and the hardware and optimizing every single detail.

We can't have that with Android, obviously, given that it's not a closed system. Every single device I've had that runs Android, acted wonky at least once a week and required me to restart it. But that's not a Samsung issue. Samsung uses exceptional hardware and so do many others like Sony, HTC and the like. All my Android-powered phones have had some serious annoyances. It's not unlike Windows-run machines, or Linux-run machines. I'm in no way implying that Android is inferior to iOS or that Samsung is inferior to Apple. I don't think that's the case. It's just that Apple has more control over how the software and hardware components interact with each other which sometimes (certainly not always) translates into a more smooth experience.

With that said, I truly enjoy what Samsung have done with the S6 line, at least with the Edge. The only annoyance continues to be the darn Play Store. But it's not like I use it every day, so it doesn't affect my general day-to-day use. I love the device and am really happy with my purchase. It definitely won't be my last Samsung device.
 

The Game 161

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That's the same experience I have, though I think this is something to do with Android. I've never had to reset or restart any of my iDevices, be it iPhones or iPads. Not a single time in my 5+ years of using iOS. That's the one advantage you have with having Apple configuring everything, the iOS and the hardware and optimizing every single detail.

We can't have that with Android, obviously, given that it's not a closed system. Every single device I've had that runs Android, acted wonky at least once a week and required me to restart it. But that's not a Samsung issue. Samsung uses exceptional hardware and so do many others like Sony, HTC and the like. All my Android-powered phones have had some serious annoyances. It's not unlike Windows-run machines, or Linux-run machines. I'm in no way implying that Android is inferior to iOS or that Samsung is inferior to Apple. I don't think that's the case. It's just that Apple has more control over how the software and hardware components interact with each other which sometimes (certainly not always) translates into a more smooth experience.

With that said, I truly enjoy what Samsung have done with the S6 line, at least with the Edge. The only annoyance continues to be the darn Play Store. But it's not like I use it every day, so it doesn't affect my general day-to-day use. I love the device and am really happy with my purchase. It definitely won't be my last Samsung device.
It's why I've decided to move back to apple
 

JaySoul

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Well it's strange to know that my LG G4 seems to be better than the S6 at one thing, at least!

I have seriously been considering picking up an S6 edge again to replace my G4.
 

Voodoochild346

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I think it's the exynos processor which is maybe powerful but not correctly optimized.
I noticed the same thing on my galaxy note 10.1 2014 edition (wifi only). Huge lag on scrolling pages whereas my wife's note 10.1 2014 (lte model) was lag free.
I did numerous formats, changed roms etc but the problems remained.
Then I realized that those models have different processors. Exynos for for wifi model and snapdragon for the lag free lte model.
Also my two last galaxy phones (s4 and s5) had a snapdragon processor and they were lag free on chrome. I don't own a s6 due to this fact and I'm hearing lots of people complaining about lag on scrolling.
For me Exynos processor = huge lag on scrolling.

The exynos processor is poorly optimized. It doesn't handle Javascript correctly. Fire up chrome and turn off Javascript and see how silky smooth the scrolling is.
 

mi7chy

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The only issue I've seen is with animated ads otherwise everything is zippy. As an alternative you can try Firefox with uBlock Origin add-on.
 

sartrekid

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It's why I've decided to move back to apple

Do you mean entirely? You have a Galaxy tablet in your signature. Are you looking to make the switch for both, phone and tablet?

The exynos processor is poorly optimized. It doesn't handle Javascript correctly. Fire up chrome and turn off Javascript and see how silky smooth the scrolling is.

But JavaScript is a front-end scripting language and all apps use it. I think it has a lot to do with how well the JS is written and implemented into a site or app, which is why the results/performance are varying so heavily. Web sites that are poorly coded and use heavy JS libraries that cause a lot of useless overhead perform poorly in almost any environment and any browser.

If an app or user-interface performs poorly or requires too much CPU power, then doesn't it mean that it's due to JavaScript functions being poorly written and executed?
 

The Game 161

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Do you mean entirely? You have a Galaxy tablet in your signature. Are you looking to make the switch for both, phone and tablet?



But JavaScript is a front-end scripting language and all apps use it. I think it has a lot to do with how well the JS is written and implemented into a site or app, which is why the results/performance are varying so heavily. Web sites that are poorly coded and use heavy JS libraries that cause a lot of useless overhead perform poorly in almost any environment and any browser.

If an app or user-interface performs poorly or requires too much CPU power, then doesn't it mean that it's due to JavaScript functions being poorly written and executed?
I'm keeping my S6 edge but selling my note 12.2 as I'm getting a MacBook Air so I would have no need for it.

I don't have a computer so this is the reason for buying that as my computer really if I need to do work on it
 
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