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Slartibart

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Thanks! And no issues so far with the same method I mentioned in my previous comment?
Which? You can easily link to any comment via the #number on the right on each.

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sparksd

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as well as FE FileExplorer. Each of both has additional advantages: e.g. FileBrowser Professional allows for easy renaming of multiple files at once, FE FileExplorer allows copying in the background (it creates a queue for all transfers which you can “hide”).
FileBrowser Pro operates tab-oriented, that is you open a tab for each “location” and the copy between them, FE FileExplorer‘s GUI is similar to Apple’s Files: you select the files and choose e.g. to transfer them selecting the destination from the copy-dialogue.

Considering the prices I bought and use both. ?

EDIT: both exceed Apple’s Files in reliability as well as functionality - both support various protocols to connect to external drives incl. SMB 1. Both allow to use the iPad as a file server for other devices. And again, while using Apple’s framework they work much more reliable the Apple’s Files.

One more thing: at the moment there seems to be no functionality provided in iPadOS 13/14/15.3.1 to get an info on the free space of an external device. You can get an info of the occupied space for e.g. an SSD or NAS-drive, as a result you can initiate a file transfer with a total size which will not fit on the destination device/location and you end up with an error in the transfer log. As said, this is something originating from the underlying iPadOS, not FBPro or FEFE.

Maybe one last thing: due to the transfer-queue which one can run in the background as well as a progress indicator for transfers which includes an rate estimator for kB/Mb per second I find myself at the moment using FEFE more often. But I really like the tab-oriented approach to file operations FBPro offers as well as the rename-multiple-files function. First world problems. ? YMMV.

I use an app called System Status from Techet that provides used and free storage (% and byte count) info for attached external storage -

https://techet.net/sysstat/

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/system-status-cpu-memory-battery-disk-monitor/id401457165
 
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Slartibart

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as written. In FBPro as well as FEFE you have to add a location (FBPro) or a connection (FEFE) e.g. for your external SD-card as well as e.g. the SSD - you just connect your hub with the card reader and SSD connected and then add both as a permanent location/connection.

This is how it looks in FBPro on one of my iPads:

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As you can see I have added certain folders on my iPad, as well as external SSDs, USB C-sticks, and external spinning HD as a location.
After adding you can copy directly between each of this devices when they are connected.

This is how it looks in FEFE on on my iPads:

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Neither FBPro nor FEFE will automatically mount and provide access to external media. But once added the devices-names and locations (e.g. like shown above) will be permanently available within the apps.
 

Slartibart

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Just in case: wether with FBPro or FEFE - whenever I copy Photos from an SD card directly to another external device or onto my iPad, I have the SD card write-protected. It’s a habit, I write-protect them when I remove them from the camera device.

I personally would not recommend to edit files directly on an external SD card. While technically possible I run into some strange problems while using Pixelmator Pro and Affinity Photo around iPadOS 14.
I don’t edit Photos directly on a SSD/HD either due to that experience - I only had problems with direct edits on EXFat SSD cards never SSD, but even my “transporter”-T7 I use to transfer photos and data between devices with different OS, is regularly flag as having file system inconsistencies which then will be “repaired“ under e.g. Windows.
There seems to be something intrinsically wrong with the way iPadOS <=15.3.1 writes to external file systems, which can result in data inconsistencies or even loss.

But: I usually do preselect Photos directly on SD-cards or SSDs using RAWPower and, due to the fact that FileBrowser Pro integrates so nicely with iPadOS, I then copy these selected Photos directly to another external storage or onto my iPad via the Share->Copy to FileBrowser Pro-command.
 
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Need_Advice

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Thanks @All. So neither FBP nor FEFE has any issues with files getting corrupted, right?
As I can insert two SDs into my camera I think I will create a backup already internally telling my cam to write the same files on both SD cards. But still, just wanted to doublecheck the above with FBP / FEFE.
 

sparksd

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Thanks @All. So neither FBP nor FEFE has any issues with files getting corrupted, right?
As I can insert two SDs into my camera I think I will create a backup already internally telling my cam to write the same files on both SD cards. But still, just wanted to doublecheck the above with FBP / FEF

I have not had any issues.
 
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slplss

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I have not had any issues.
Do you often charge your iPad when working with external storage? If so, may I ask what powered hub are you using? There are dozen of Anker ones, I myself am using an unpowered one. But most of them are for designed for Mac, allowing to pass 100W which scares me. Would I have to use my MBP charger or would 20W one for iPad be enough? I just need to keep my SSD and iPad alive, not to fast charge it.
 

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Do you often charge your iPad when working with external storage? If so, may I ask what powered hub are you using? There are dozen of Anker ones, I myself am using an unpowered one. But most of them are for designed for Mac, allowing to pass 100W which scares me. Would I have to use my MBP charger, would 20w for iPad be enough? I just need to keep my SSD and iPad alive, not to fast charge it.
there is zero risk, the iPad pro cannot receive more than 30w anyway
 
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jdb8167

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Do you often charge your iPad when working with external storage? If so, may I ask what powered hub are you using? There are dozen of Anker ones, I myself am using an unpowered one. But most of them are for designed for Mac, allowing to pass 100W which scares me. Would I have to use my MBP charger or would 20W one for iPad be enough? I just need to keep my SSD and iPad alive, not to fast charge it.
The USB-C iPads use a sophisticated charger design called power delivery (PD). This is standard on USB-C and Thunderbolt 3/4 ports. It does a handshake to determine how much power the device needs. You don’t have to worry about using too large of a charger.
 

sparksd

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Do you often charge your iPad when working with external storage? If so, may I ask what powered hub are you using? There are dozen of Anker ones, I myself am using an unpowered one. But most of them are for designed for Mac, allowing to pass 100W which scares me. Would I have to use my MBP charger or would 20W one for iPad be enough? I just need to keep my SSD and iPad alive, not to fast charge it.

I do. I use this Anker hub with a 60W charger - the hub itself uses 15W and any attached peripherals may require their own juice -

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087QZVQJX/

It can be hard to find what the power requirements for a hub are and low-power chargers may not provide enough for the hub+peripherals.
 
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usb3

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I frustratingly had this same issue: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...vailable.2342786/?post=31048384#post-31048384

iPadOS is not ready to be a laptop replacement for professional creatives if it can't handle basic tasks like copying files from a SD/microSD card.

This has occurred multiple times across many months and multiple iPadOS updates:

1. Take microSD card (exFAT format) from GoPro/drone (videos often 4K60)
2. Plug it into iPad Pro (w/ USB C) via adapter
3. Open Files app, viewing videos is file
4. Clicking share freezes up Files app
5. Files app either crashes / needs to be force closed / SD has to be removed
6. Re-inserting SD results in "content unavailable" error in Files app (it stays like this for weeks to months...)
7. Plugging SD card into MacOS, the video files are no longer there in the SD card

What's the point of getting a 512GB/1TB GB iPad if you can't copy videos to it?
Anyone know how to recover the files that get corrupted and destroyed?
 
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slplss

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I frustratingly had this same issue: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...vailable.2342786/?post=31048384#post-31048384

iPadOS is not ready to be a laptop replacement for professional creatives if it can't handle basic tasks like copying files from a SD/microSD card.

This has occurred multiple times across many months and multiple iPadOS updates:

1. Take microSD card (exFAT format) from GoPro/drone (videos often 4K60)
2. Plug it into iPad Pro (w/ USB C) via adapter
3. Open Files app, viewing videos is file
4. Clicking share freezes up Files app
5. Files app either crashes / needs to be force closed / SD has to be removed
6. Re-inserting SD results in "content unavailable" error in Files app (it stays like this for weeks to months...)
7. Plugging SD card into MacOS, the video files are no longer there in the SD card

What's the point of getting a 512GB/1TB GB iPad if you can't copy videos to it?
Anyone know how to recover the files that get corrupted and destroyed?
I was lucky to lose only a portion of my road trip content from last Autumn's Norway trip when copying files from camera's mSD card to iPad and SSD. I wasn’t able to recover any files. They occupy space (giving you impression the transfer was successful) but are unreadable. Similar problems losing connection to mSD cards, SSDs.
1. Avoid Files altogether
2. Use FE File Explorer (one time purchase) or FileBrowser (Go/Pro-subscription, I believe, don't have it) for any file management
3. Use AFPS instead of FAT/exFat (F that I won’t)

I now only trust my iPad to handle files on backup SSD. It's such a letdown, I wanted it to replace Mac, but you can't just rely on it.
 

usb3

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2. Use FE File Explorer (one time purchase) or FileBrowser (Go/Pro-subscription, I believe, don't have it) for any file management

Thanks for the recommendations! Are these file managers "save to use" or do they also result in occasional corrupted and missing files?
 

sparksd

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Thanks for the recommendations! Are these file managers "save to use" or do they also result in occasional corrupted and missing files?

I have yet to run into a problem using FileBrowser Pro. All of my external media used with the iPad is formatted exFAT.
 
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usb3

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So has anyone been able to recover files that the iPad deleted from the external storage device when attempting to transfer files over?
 

sparksd

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So has anyone been able to recover files that the iPad deleted from the external storage device when attempting to transfer files over?

I've only run into corrupted files, not deleted ones. In the past, though, I have had it happen elsewhere for other reasons. I was able to recover some files using s/w from EaseUS -

https://www.easeus.com/ad/data-recovery-wizard.htm

A lot depends on what has been done with the storage after the deletion - rewriting, formatting, etc. - and no matter what, YMMV.
 
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usb3

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I've only run into corrupted files, not deleted ones. In the past, though, I have had it happen elsewhere for other reasons. I was able to recover some files using s/w from EaseUS -

https://www.easeus.com/ad/data-recovery-wizard.htm

A lot depends on what has been done with the storage after the deletion - rewriting, formatting, etc. - and no matter what, YMMV.

Thanks for the recommendation. I ended up stumbling onto this tool which helped me recover my files:
TestDisk - https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download
Guide - https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk:_undelete_file_for_FAT
 

sparksd

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Gave my test a try again today. Using the Files app, I copied 165 Canon RAW images (.CR3) from iPad local storage to a 1TB Samsung SSD formatted exFAT, connected to my 2021 12.9 iPP via USB-C cable, iPadOS 15.5. All files were copied without corruption; however, on connecting the SSD to my Win11 laptop, I got the message that there was a problem with the SSD, and it needed to be repaired. I executed the repair on completion, and it returned that no errors were found. Before disconnecting the SSD from iPad, I fully closed out all apps and ensured that no on-going writes to the SSD were occurring. I retried the test but powered down the iPad before removing the SSD; this time, there were no reported errors when connecting it to the laptop.
 

sparksd

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Gave my test a try again today. Using the Files app, I copied 165 Canon RAW images (.CR3) from iPad local storage to a 1TB Samsung SSD formatted exFAT, connected to my 2021 12.9 iPP via USB-C cable, iPadOS 15.5. All files were copied without corruption; however, on connecting the SSD to my Win11 laptop, I got the message that there was a problem with the SSD, and it needed to be repaired. I executed the repair on completion, and it returned that no errors were found. Before disconnecting the SSD from iPad, I fully closed out all apps and ensured that no on-going writes to the SSD were occurring. I retried the test but powered down the iPad before removing the SSD; this time, there were no reported errors when connecting it to the laptop.

A follow-on test: I repeated the copy (iPad to T7 SSD) but used FileBrowser Pro instead of Files. No corruption and I did not get an error msg when connecting the T7 to the Win11 laptop (I also fully closed out FB Pro before disconnecting the drive and I did not turn the iPad off).
 
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Ruggy

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Did more tests today. I used a USB-C hub with my T-5 SSD and Western Digital HDD attached to it. I copied the same 105 files in my earlier test (a new, clean copy of them) from the HDD directly to the T5 using the Files app. Attaching the T5 to a Win10 laptop, none of the files appear corrupted but for every file an additional file with the same name but with "._" appended to the beginning of the file name was created. Each of these files showed up in Explorer as being 4KB in size. Again, both drives are exFAT.

Second test, again with two drives in a hub, using FileBrowser for Business, I copied all 105 files to the iPad from the HDD, into a folder in FileBrowser. From that folder, I used FileBrowser to copy those files to the T5 SSD. Copy was all good, with no "extra" files. Unfortunately, with FileBrowser you can access only one of the external storage devices attached to the hub at a time, necessitating the intermediate copy to the iPad.

Files sucks.
You are copying files from the Apple OS to Windows and the Apple files are composed of what's called a ' resource fork'- that is in fact there are 2 files.
You don't see the ones with the '-' when you use the ipad or Mac but windows sees them. You can just delete those and there's a program I found somewhere that deletes them automatically. I think there might be a setting somewhere about using Windows friendly format or something but I don't know much about this and others can give you way more info or you can look up 'resource fork'.

In my experience and corrupted transfer data, it always turns out to be the cable.
 
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