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I love how the "planned Obsolescence" thread champions are now in this thread spreading the same disease.
The very thread that is there to say that Apple finally made iOS 9 up to par in be opinion of some that didn't think so before. And now it's being spun the other way around.
 
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AxoNeuron

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As a software developer I can understand that iOS 9 still has some bugs. Getting a system as complex as a mobile operating system to work at all is hard enough, getting it to work flawlessly at all times is essentially impossible. I think it works well enough, most of the time, for most users.

The bigger problem is that Apple is so stingy with RAM and device storage, which has serious performance implications. I mean, really, 16GB for a $650 phone in the year 2016 is simply laughable. And they've only just increased RAM above 1GB, something they should have done years ago.

Honestly, the only reason I'll be buying an iphone in the future is for development purposes, my primary devices will be android from now on. And this is coming from a guy who has owned nothing but iphones since the very first back in 2007.
 
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Do you even remember 8.4.1? Does anyone? Or are all of you talking out your asses because you saw some video on youtube with an older device running 8.4.1 and now you think because someone told you it was perfect, you now regurgitate that same BS over and over?

Yeah, ok. :rolleyes:
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So, you want to post a video how CHROME runs super smooth on ANDROID vs Windows/iOS? :rolleyes: I would EXPECT Chrome to be butter smooth on Android lol. You make no sense.

I just bought a cheap 5S to replace a bricked Fire Phone while I wait for the iPhone 7. I used it all day on 8.4 before the update for 9.2 was ready and it's no slower after going to 9.2. I had read some of these threads before I got the 5S and was kind of afraid of updating, but no problems so far. Maybe >9.2 was terrible, but people made even 9.2 sound like I'd be reliving the iPhone 3G on iOS 4 nightmare.
 

Armen

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So their opinion is now a "disease" because they do not agree?

They have their own thread to "Not agree". Coming here and hijacking a positive thread and pushing their "opinion" on others is spreading a disease.
 
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Act3

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They have their own thread to "Not agree". Coming here and hijacking a positive thread and pushing their "opinion" on others is spreading a disease.

Same stuff occurs in the negative threads as well. Its called discussion not "spreading disease"
 

Armen

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Same stuff occurs in the negative threads as well. Its called discussion not "spreading disease"

People like Radon can't seem to just accept that many people do not agree with him. Why he feels the need to bring his dead horse from the other thread to beat here is beyond me. That is indeed spreading a disease.

Your turn to reply to me and tell me how it's not like spreading a disease. Maybe this thread will go 20 pages with nonsense also.
 

Act3

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People like Radon can't seem to just accept that many people do not agree with him. Why he feels the need to bring his dead horse from the other thread to beat here is beyond me. That is indeed spreading a disease.

Your turn to reply to me and tell me how it's not like spreading a disease. Maybe this thread will go 20 pages with nonsense also.

Definite improvement on iPhone 6.Using CC is a joy again.Phone is more responsive than it ever was ever since I updated to iOS 9

I guess you missed their earlier post in this thread.
 

Radon87000

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You can only have a defective iPhone 6…


In Chrome and Safari, a 300+ comments section…

Waiting to know what you did…
You need to wait for the site to load completely on Chrome to see it.The blue bar was still loading and you were scrolling too fast to see the stutter.Try scrolling slowly just like when you read content.The stutter occurs when the Chrome bar at the top slides up
 

C DM

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You need to wait for the site to load completely on Chrome to see it.The blue bar was still loading and you were scrolling too fast to see the stutter.Try scrolling slowly just like when you read content.The stutter occurs when the Chrome bar at the top slides up
Didn't experince anything close to what was in the video when I tried that on my iPhone 6 with iOS 9.2.
 

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You need to wait for the site to load completely on Chrome to see it.The blue bar was still loading and you were scrolling too fast to see the stutter.Try scrolling slowly just like when you read content.The stutter occurs when the Chrome bar at the top slides up

I downloaded Chrome and went to the windows central site that you mentioned. It scrolls just fine and smooth, except when you change directions of the scrolling (from down to up or from up to down.) is when it bogs right down for a second and then scrolls fine again. That is a Chrome issue, It doesn't happen in Safari on the same site.

Take it up with Google and the Chrome team. If it was iOS 9 causing it, then Safari would do the exact same thing (which it doesn't.)
 

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Thats why 1 year cycle sucks balls.
For OS X I strongly agree with you.
For iOS I don't. Apple release a new hardware with new functionalities every year. They need proper software support for that.

Every iPhone 5s or iPhone 6 performs exactly the same, so it is not possible that others do have these issues while you don't. The only explenation for this is that you are simply less critical. Your devices do suffer from the lag we are talking about, it's just that you don't see it.
Another plausible explanation is that there are some extremely picky people, verging OCD to some extent, that just can't be pleased....

My devices don't have any lag.
My wife's iPhone 5S don't perform like my iPhone 6.

I love how the "planned Obsolescence" thread champions are now in this thread spreading the same disease.

Same people every thread......
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So this lag is my opinion huh?

Here is visual evidence of Apple's crap optimisation for old devices and how even a budget Windows Phone beats it in that department.

Here is the horrible scroll stutter on my iPhone 6

And here is my Lumia 730 running the very same website silky smooth 60 fps and it cost me $120 (less than a quarter of my iPhone's price) around a year ago and it's wrecking my iPhone in smoothness.My Lumia has already been through 2 Windows versions and it's on Windows 10 in the video


And If someone wants I can Make a similar video with a Galaxy S6 which demolishes both of the above devices in scroll smoothness
Your iPhone is defective or you do have a software issue there.
I can't see anything like that on ANY of my iDevices.

Take it back to Apple to have it checked.
 
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As a software developer I can understand that iOS 9 still has some bugs. Getting a system as complex as a mobile operating system to work at all is hard enough, getting it to work flawlessly at all times is essentially impossible. I think it works well enough, most of the time, for most users.

The bigger problem is that Apple is so stingy with RAM and device storage, which has serious performance implications. I mean, really, 16GB for a $650 phone in the year 2016 is simply laughable. And they've only just increased RAM above 1GB, something they should have done years ago.

Honestly, the only reason I'll be buying an iphone in the future is for development purposes, my primary devices will be android from now on. And this is coming from a guy who has owned nothing but iphones since the very first back in 2007.

And as a developer myself, I'll tell you that you'll run back to the "stingy" iPhone after using Android. Android devices need at least twice as much RAM to run as well as iOS devices. iOS is just much more ram efficient. I used 3 Android phones before getting an iPhone 5 as a work phone last year, and it blew all the Android phones away in speed. I'll never go back to Android again.
 

Armen

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yep, I was just pointing out the positive post he made as well. Not all doom and gloom is it?

That's even more disturbing that he said something positive and then turned around in the same thread and went the other direction o_O
 

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You need to wait for the site to load completely on Chrome to see it.The blue bar was still loading and you were scrolling too fast to see the stutter.Try scrolling slowly just like when you read content.The stutter occurs when the Chrome bar at the top slides up

scrolling too fast???

The problem is clearly with Chrome, not with iOS, it only appears when the bar is coming out, so the problem is with Google, not Apple.

Why you use chrome? It sends all your browsing history to Google, it's slower, and doesn't even let you block ads!
 
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Your iPhone is defective or you do have a software issue there.
I can't see anything like that on ANY of my iDevices.

Take it back to Apple to have it checked.

It's not that his phone is defective. I installed Chrome to test on my iPhone 6. Scrolling on the same website he was on in his video and it is very smooth. Except when you change the direction you're scrolling. So if you're swiping down its smooth and as soon as you swipe up Chrome just bogs right down for a second or so. Same if you're swiping up and go to swipe down. It doesn't matter if you change the direction while it's still in a mid scroll or full stop.

He probably knew all this and purposely just spammed up+down swipes quickly over and over in his video to make it look worse and that it "only scrolls" at that slow stuttering speed. When it's infact only when changing direction of the scroll. He basically took advantage of that to make his point look better.

It's for sure a Chrome issue and not iOS or his phone.
 
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Armen

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I am talking about the scroll stutter.iOS 9.3 does improve things a lot but it is still not 8.4.1 levels smooth

If I were you I'd submit feedback to Apple in detail as to all the observations you have made on your device. They may even ask for logs. You're wasting your time trying to convince others here that there is a problem when not everyone agrees with you (including myself). Seriously.
 
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Radon87000

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It's not that his phone is defective. I installed Chrome to test on my iPhone 6. Scrolling on the same website he was on in his video and it is very smooth. Except when you change the direction you're scrolling. So if you're swiping down its smooth and as soon as you swipe up Chrome just bogs right down for a second or so. Same if you're swiping up and go to swipe down. It doesn't matter if you change the direction while it's still in a mid scroll or full stop.

He probably knew all this and purposely just spammed up+down swipes quickly over and over in his video to make it look worse and that it "only scrolls" at that slow stuttering speed. When it's infact only when changing direction of the scroll. He basically took advantage of that to make his point look better.

It's for sure a Chrome issue and not iOS or his phone.
The thing is I change directions frequently when I am on a touch device.A light downward swipe brings down the bar and when I scroll up it jitters.And I can confirm this is happening on Firefox as well as Opera Coast.

I will post a video of the same thing happening on Tapatalk,CNN and the Facebook App later tonight
 

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The thing is I change directions frequently when I am on a touch device.A light downward swipe brings down the bar and when I scroll up it jitters.And I can confirm this is happening on Firefox as well as Opera Coast.

I will post a video of the same thing happening on Tapatalk,CNN and the Facebook App later tonight

I tried Firefox and saw it there too when changing the scroll direction. I don't use Tapatalk or CNN. Facebook app on my iPhone 6 does not stutter, not a little and definitely not anywhere near Chrome.

It's obviously something those 3rd party apps need to fix. If it was iOS 9 Safari would be doing the same as Chrome on that same windows central site.
 

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Another plausible explanation is that there are some extremely picky people, verging OCD to some extent, that just can't be pleased....

My devices don't have any lag.
My wife's iPhone 5S don't perform like my iPhone 6.
"I don't see it, therefore it must be OCD." Good one.

Apple's strength is the obsessive focus on UX.
 

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I am talking about the scroll stutter.iOS 9.3 does improve things a lot but it is still not 8.4.1 levels smooth

For the love of god just stop. I went as far as asking all my friends to check it on their phones. No such issue on any browser. I have no idea what convoluted software issue you are having, or if its a hardware issue, but

THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY HERE. MOVE ALONG.
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"I don't see it, therefore it must be OCD." Good one.

Apple's strength is the obsessive focus on UX.

Was. Now i wouldn't be so fast to state that.
 
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I am talking about the scroll stutter.iOS 9.3 does improve things a lot but it is still not 8.4.1 levels smooth

Show us Chrome, latest version, that site, after being completely loaded, not lagging on 8.x.

Substantiate your claims.
 
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