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Lord Blackadder

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Just picked up my first handgun on Saturday at a gun show. I've been looking for a decent Nagant M1895 revolver for a few months now, but hadn't had much luck. I found this one literally under my nose at the last table I visited at the show. It was either this or a 1925 M91/30 rifle, and the Nagant won out since already have two 91/30s.

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That's quite the collection you have there, No4Mk2. I would love to find a G98 Mauser like yours, but the price is out of reach for me. I'm happy with my No.4Mk.1, but I've yet to find a decent No.3 Mk.1 that is affordable. Nice M1A as well, that rifle is worth nearly as much as my entire collection. I find New Jersey's magazine capacity laws quite strange. Do you usually block the original mags to reduce capacity, or do they just sell 15-round mags in New Jersey? Here in Ohio you can get anything up to the silly 100-round drums. I shot an AK with a 100-round drum once and it wasn't much fun - the weight of the magazine throws off the balance of the weapon. The 40-50 round "Banana" clips are also a bit silly looking. For the target shooting I do the 5-10 round magazines are sufficient, though I would keep the 30-round original magazine since that's what the gun was designed for.
 

Lord Blackadder

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Yes, the Nagant is one of the only revolvers that can be effectively mated with a silencer. Cocking the hammer (or in the double action models, pulling the trigger) cams the cylinder forward while it rotates, mating the barrel and cylinder close together.

This alone wouldn't achieve the seal though; the ammunition is specially constructed so that the bullet sits entirely within the cartridge case; when the cylinder cams forward, the end of the case actually protrudes into the barrel slightly. When the weapon is fired the case expands to seal the small gap between the cylinder and barrel breech.

The Soviets did make a silenced version of this pistol, though I've never heard of one existing in the US collector market. Too bad that gentleman ruined a perfectly good collectible to add the silencer...
 

No4mk2

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Hi Lord Blackadder,

That's a beautiful pistol. Nice shot too. The gun looks really clean and well cared for. I could never find one near me. I think it's a C&R item so they may fly off the shelves. Congratulations on a nice buy. Is a Webley next on the list? :)

Oh, some of the little nicks, could those be metal testing marks from the factory? I have an early CZ-75 with metal testing marks like that.

Yes, quite a collection for a guy that lives in NJ, a leader among gun control States. I have other rifles too and about ten handguns. Yeah, I went pretty crazy there for a while. The way it looked at the time when I made most of my purchases, especially the modern guns,... million mom march and all... well, I may have gotten a little carried away trying to get ahead of what seemed like the inevitable demise of the Second Amendment. Praise God for the recent Supreme Court ruling. What a weight off our backs, finally.

I haven't been able to find any 15 round mags for the rifles in my collection. They all seem to jump from 10 to 20. The only ones you can buy here are stuffed, and, to tell you the truth I'm not sure if even those are legal anymore. When I got one I saw how easy it would be to make it normal again. That's why I did what I did with some of the mags I got later.

It's interesting to me how the older the rifle the better it feels. The Mauser, the Enfields, the K31, the Nagant... all come to my shoulder naturally and the sights are almost in align right then and there. They just seem to "fit". The M1a, on the other hand, feels off balance and shouldering it the sights are way off, like it should come with a cheek rest. Have you experienced anything like that?

Actually I'm looking to sell off much of my collection. The only problem is that there is only one dealer I would trust around here and they're temporarily unable to buy them. Hey, if you're ever in NJ...

And just to stay on topic, here's a pic of the last hangun I bought and probably will ever buy. Very sweet. Didn't take it myself though :(
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Lord Blackadder

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That's pretty funny, but could you up-size it for the full effect. ;)

It's true that people tend to over-accessorize the AR-15. If I bought one it would be a semi-auto replica of a standard M-16A1, A2 or A4. No bells and whistles, no M4 lookalike for me.

No4Mk2 said:
That's a beautiful pistol. Nice shot too. The gun looks really clean and well cared for. I could never find one near me. I think it's a C&R item so they may fly off the shelves. Congratulations on a nice buy. Is a Webley next on the list?

Yes, I do want a Webley, but they cost 3-5 times as much as Nagant, so it will be a while. I was set on a Colt 1911A1, but the prices are simply too hight right now - $700-$1000+. If I get a Webley it will be one of the original .455 models, not a .45ACP conversion.

Oh, some of the little nicks, could those be metal testing marks from the factory? I have an early CZ-75 with metal testing marks like that.

Most Soviet surplus guns have tons of stamps on them, and collectors only know what half of them mean. Mine has a postwar refurbishment stamp, and most of the parts have the hammer or star stamp of the Tula arsenal (where my gun was made), but I don't know what the rest mean.
 

yaroldb

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Here is my trusty Walther P22 or "Deuce Deuce" as I like to call her...;)
 

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pointandclick

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Nice to see some of these collectors.:cool:
I thought about buying a Nagant revolver simply because they're so affordable.

My first gun was an M44. Only about a year and a half ago actually.
I was doing some research, trying to find something relatively cheap for a first gun. I had pretty much settled on the Mosin since the ammo is readily available. While visiting my brother in Texas we went to Cheaper than Dirt and low and behold they had a stock of them at the time.:D

Now I'm pretty much hooked on the surplus scene. Even if mine aren't highly collectible pieces, the history is cool, they're cheap, and they don't shoot half bad.:eek:
 

No4mk2

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More gun pics

iJohnHenry, no shotguns allowed where you live? :confused:

Here are two latest shots of some of my handguns:

My two best nines, a CZ-75 and a Sig Sauer P226. I paid about 500 for the used CZ even though new ones were going for under 300 at the time. It had obviously been handled a lot; the grips were chewed up and the metal around them had lost almost all its blueing. But I had just read some articles on the CZ-75 extolling its virtues and history and went ahead and bought it (it was going for a grand the week before). One of the few, if any other, 9s that can be carried cocked and locked, even Jeff Cooper liked the gun (but not the caliber). The CZ-75 was the preferred handgun of the KGB and my gun, lacking an import stamp and being in such a state, may have been used by them. Still, this one is very accurate, handles +P+ without a hiccup, and fits my hand like it was custom made for me. The CZ-75s and 85s they make today are still the best bargains in quality 9 millimeters on the market.
My Sig, what can I say... The finest handgun I own, worth every penny of the 900 I paid for it. Ultra reliable and tack accurate. I think the trigger pull is key on these, I've never felt one cleaner. I've never handled a more accurate handgun, it's truly remarkable.

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Lastly, my well worn Ruger trio: A 5 in. Blackhawk in .45 LC, a customized Redhawk 44 Magnum, and my first handgun, a GP-100 357.

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Lord Blackadder

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Sure, if I want to jump through hoops.

I'm not an expert on Canadian gun regulation, but I was under the impression that purchasing/owning most long guns was relatively straightforward; you just need to get a PAL license. Handguns are another matter...

There are certainly more "hoops" to jump through in Canada than in the 'States, of course.
 

iJohnHenry

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I'd like to get a 22 long target pistol, and get into club shooting again.

Such a pain.

(This post belongs in the Things You Want But Don't Have thread.)

Just thought I would say it, before someone else does. :p
 

AirborneAngel

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Out of curiosity, why is it that the thumb safety's on popular handguns such as the 1911, SIG P226, HK USP, and Browning Hi-Power all need to be thumbed down to take the gun off safety, while the Beretta M92FS has a thumb safety that needs to be pushed up? Please correct me if I'm wrong!
 

No4mk2

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SIG SAUER
a not so popular kinda gun, everyone prefers glocks or SW, walther.... where im from

I guess price is a factor in that, though I seem to recall the Walthers being kind of pricey. I think people like the weight and futuristic look of the new models too. (I think they're kind of ugly) Too, many people don't have the wherewithal to try shooting various guns. Handguns are hard to shoot accurately compared to a rifle. I had quite a few handguns before I bought the Sig and considered myself to be an OK shooter, I thought I'd reached my limitations with the medium. After I got the Sig I realized it wasn't me who was letting me down but my other handguns. With the Sig I was a damn fine shooter. The army rejected them because of the price, I think. But the SEALS ordered them and use them to this day.

Out of curiosity, why is it that the thumb safety's on popular handguns such as the 1911, SIG P226, HK USP, and Browning Hi-Power all need to be thumbed down to take the gun off safety, while the Beretta M92FS has a thumb safety that needs to be pushed up? Please correct me if I'm wrong!

You are right.(forgot about the Browning, thanks) I don't know why the Beretta safety is like that. I had one once and didn't like that, it seemed counter-intuitive. As I'm sure you know though, the Beretta can't be carried "cocked and locked". EDIT: Oops, the Sig 226 has only a "De cocker", meaning it lowers the hammers safely from single action mode to safe carry double action mode. It can not be carried cocked and locked

my guns.
I named them: Derecho (top), and Izquierda (bottom)

Not sure you'll ever need to use those... your facial expression should be an adequate deterrent. ;)
 

mcarnes

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Glock 19 with AAC Evolution silencer and 33 round magazine. Crappy picture but I'm tired. I'm getting rid of the POS lasermax on it. This is NFA legal of course.
 

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iCheese

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Very nice Glock mcarnes :D

I would own a suppressor, but in WA we have this stupid law that allows you to own one, except its illegal to put it on your firearm and actually use it :mad:
 

mcarnes

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Very nice Glock mcarnes :D

I would own a suppressor, but in WA we have this stupid law that allows you to own one, except its illegal to put it on your firearm and actually use it :mad:

I know, that's why I keep it in Oregon. Sometimes I take it out around Estacada and have it in the trunk and have to be sure the two are detached if I drive into Vancouver (I'm in Portland).

I love that gun. It's my favorite gun to shoot next to my AR. I put about a thousand rounds through it this week. That glock has yet to jam. Gotta love glock.
 
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