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seabreeze56

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Dec 4, 2016
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Just did the update today. The background pic you get is about the ugliest thing I have EVER seen!!! But easy enough to change. I haven't done much on it today but the little that I have done, I really don't see any differences. No bugs yet. I HATE doing updates because you never know what is going to happen!
 
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djshack

macrumors regular
Apr 11, 2010
211
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Boston, MA
It seems you can no longer hit a "button" in a dialog by pressing CMD + the letter (i.e., CMD + C for cancel). This is super annoying.
 

djshack

macrumors regular
Apr 11, 2010
211
23
Boston, MA
I don't seem to remember that being a feature in the first place.
Generally, you could press CMD + the first letter of the button (sometimes it might've been a different letter) to use the button, so long as All Controls was enabled in keyboard shortcuts (which it still is). Just like on Windows, where the letter is generally underlined.
 

Mr. Awesome

macrumors 65816
Feb 24, 2016
1,243
2,881
Idaho, USA
I've been using it since Dev Beta 1, and while I wan't a big fan of the UI or the app icons then, they've kinda grown on me. I think Apple stuck an okay balance on the information density. Especially with most of the big UI bugs fixed (narrow sidebars in System Preferences, stuff like that), I really like it.
 

Mr. Awesome

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Feb 24, 2016
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Idaho, USA
Generally, you could press CMD + the first letter of the button (sometimes it might've been a different letter) to use the button, so long as All Controls was enabled in keyboard shortcuts (which it still is). Just like on Windows, where the letter is generally underlined.
Is that just for dialog boxes? Or is that system-wide for all AppKit buttons?
 

DinkThifferent

macrumors 6502a
Oct 18, 2018
819
2,928
The Netherlands
My mini review.

Okay, I am apparently one of the few who actually loves the new interface. I don't understand why people here are screaming that it is ugly after installing it. It's not like Apple hasn't released 10 beta's to make your eyes get used to the new colors. It is YOUR decision to upgrade and you knew what you signed up for. Out with they old grey, in with the refreshing white! Yes, it's still a little rough around the edges here and there but at least Apple updated its entire OS at once, in stark contrast with some other major operating system that still hasn't made the full transition from it's 2006-2009 interface to its current one, 5 years after its introduction.

The installation went unfortunately not as smooth as hoped, it hang on the setup assistant (beachball and a black screen with only the top bar visible), but after 30 minutes of waiting (as advised by multiple users) and then a forced shut down and restart I could immediately log-in.

The interface is very fresh, yet familiar. I haven't been looking for any button that I suddenly couldn't find. I like the transparency in the side bar and more consistency throughout the OS. I would like to see a rebuild system preferences panel though because that looks very outdated (hasn't changed much since OS X 10.0) and really crammed. Hello Apple, I have a 27 inch 5K iMac, not an 1024x768 iBook anymore.

The new dock is my favorite part about Big Sur, as my biggest icon-annoyances are finally gone: No more "some icons are slightly tilted some are not". I am curious to see if iOS 15 might introduce some Big Sur kind of icons with slightly more depth or that Apple will keep these two OS-es separated from each other icon-wise.

Performance wise I have noticed some slowdowns here and there, especially after boot up. But once it's up and running I don't notice major differences compared to Catalina. The Photos app has become noticeably faster though!

The new Maps app is finally what it should have been years ago. Same features as on iOS and I love the new look-around! The image quality is very high. Can't wait for Apple to roll the new maps and look-around out to my country too (although i don't see that happening before late 2021).

4K Youtube in Safari is amazing! Finally Apple/Google! Better late than never, although scrolling on the Youtube homepage still isn't fluid, but i'm blaming Google for that.

Bugs: So far only 1 major bug found: I cannot unlock my Mac with my Apple Watch anymore. I get the error "Your Mac was unable to communicate with your Apple Watch."

Although slightly annoying, it's not the end of the world (not being able to shut down my Mac with Catalina was way worse) Other thing I have noticed is that the Music still isn't as fluid and smooth as it should be, I am staying with Spotify. Also the Apple TV app is still confusing. Apple should make it more clear what the difference is between Apple TV and Apple TV+.

Final thing I had hoped for: number of unread mail should (like iOS) always be displayed on the Mail icon, not only when you have the app running.

The Good:
+ New Interface feels fresh, much more consistent yet familiar. No Windows 8 kind of drama.
+ New Sounds are funky (and were extremely long overdue for an update.)
+ Safari now supports Youtube in 4K and has more privacy features.
+ Widgets are now located in a place where they make sense.

The not yet so good:
/ Design inconsistencies here and there
/ Some parts of the OS feel outdated (e.g. system settings)
/ Boot-up feels sluggish

The bad:
- Bugs like Apple watch unlock, rocky installation.
- Music / TV App still not up to standard after last years introduction
- Stocks app still shows old news with stocks.
- No Apple News app in my country
- Launchpad still not able to sort apps alphabetically.

Conclusion:
With the introduction of Big Sur suddenly the drama of Catalina has been explained. Apple has been working for much longer on this OS, but suddenly realized they also had to come up with something in September 2019. That's why Catalina had such a disastrous launch. I wouldn't have mind to use Mojave for another year, if Apple had focussed even more on Big Sur then they have done so far. It's a good start though, and Apple has finally put some effort in bringing certain apps in MacOS on par with its iOS version (like Maps and iMessage). I really hope Apple will continue to invest in MacOS to keep improving its design, but with the new Apple Silicon chipset it's certain that they haven't forgotten about us Mac users. The new interface feels very consistent and should be an example to others as to how to repaint your house, but still keeping it your home.
 

ght56

macrumors 6502a
Aug 31, 2020
839
815
The UI would be great if our screens were all 300 PPI+ and over 600 nits brightness.
 

broncosfan98

macrumors newbie
Sep 29, 2019
7
5
My mini review.

Okay, I am apparently one of the few who actually loves the new interface. I don't understand why people here are screaming that it is ugly after installing it. It's not like Apple hasn't released 10 beta's to make your eyes get used to the new colors. It is YOUR decision to upgrade and you knew what you signed up for. Out with they old grey, in with the refreshing white! Yes, it's still a little rough around the edges here and there but at least Apple updated its entire OS at once, in stark contrast with some other major operating system that still hasn't made the full transition from it's 2006-2009 interface to its current one, 5 years after its introduction.

The installation went unfortunately not as smooth as hoped, it hang on the setup assistant (beachball and a black screen with only the top bar visible), but after 30 minutes of waiting (as advised by multiple users) and then a forced shut down and restart I could immediately log-in.

The interface is very fresh, yet familiar. I haven't been looking for any button that I suddenly couldn't find. I like the transparency in the side bar and more consistency throughout the OS. I would like to see a rebuild system preferences panel though because that looks very outdated (hasn't changed much since OS X 10.0) and really crammed. Hello Apple, I have a 27 inch 5K iMac, not an 1024x768 iBook anymore.

The new dock is my favorite part about Big Sur, as my biggest icon-annoyances are finally gone: No more "some icons are slightly tilted some are not". I am curious to see if iOS 15 might introduce some Big Sur kind of icons with slightly more depth or that Apple will keep these two OS-es separated from each other icon-wise.

Performance wise I have noticed some slowdowns here and there, especially after boot up. But once it's up and running I don't notice major differences compared to Catalina. The Photos app has become noticeably faster though!

The new Maps app is finally what it should have been years ago. Same features as on iOS and I love the new look-around! The image quality is very high. Can't wait for Apple to roll the new maps and look-around out to my country too (although i don't see that happening before late 2021).

4K Youtube in Safari is amazing! Finally Apple/Google! Better late than never, although scrolling on the Youtube homepage still isn't fluid, but i'm blaming Google for that.

Bugs: So far only 1 major bug found: I cannot unlock my Mac with my Apple Watch anymore. I get the error "Your Mac was unable to communicate with your Apple Watch."

Although slightly annoying, it's not the end of the world (not being able to shut down my Mac with Catalina was way worse) Other thing I have noticed is that the Music still isn't as fluid and smooth as it should be, I am staying with Spotify. Also the Apple TV app is still confusing. Apple should make it more clear what the difference is between Apple TV and Apple TV+.

Final thing I had hoped for: number of unread mail should (like iOS) always be displayed on the Mail icon, not only when you have the app running.

The Good:
+ New Interface feels fresh, much more consistent yet familiar. No Windows 8 kind of drama.
+ New Sounds are funky (and were extremely long overdue for an update.)
+ Safari now supports Youtube in 4K and has more privacy features.
+ Widgets are now located in a place where they make sense.

The not yet so good:
/ Design inconsistencies here and there
/ Some parts of the OS feel outdated (e.g. system settings)
/ Boot-up feels sluggish

The bad:
- Bugs like Apple watch unlock, rocky installation.
- Music / TV App still not up to standard after last years introduction
- Stocks app still shows old news with stocks.
- No Apple News app in my country
- Launchpad still not able to sort apps alphabetically.

Conclusion:
With the introduction of Big Sur suddenly the drama of Catalina has been explained. Apple has been working for much longer on this OS, but suddenly realized they also had to come up with something in September 2019. That's why Catalina had such a disastrous launch. I wouldn't have mind to use Mojave for another year, if Apple had focussed even more on Big Sur then they have done so far. It's a good start though, and Apple has finally put some effort in bringing certain apps in MacOS on par with its iOS version (like Maps and iMessage). I really hope Apple will continue to invest in MacOS to keep improving its design, but with the new Apple Silicon chipset it's certain that they haven't forgotten about us Mac users. The new interface feels very consistent and should be an example to others as to how to repaint your house, but still keeping it your home.
I fixed the apple watch unlocking problem by logging out of icloud and logging back in again. There might be other ways to fix it but that worked for me.
 
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manny88

macrumors member
Oct 31, 2016
64
29
I've been using Outlook 2010 in Parallels Desktop 14, but when I updated to Big Sur it stopped working. Using outlook 2010 was my main reason for running parallels, and I was hesitant to buy the new copy of parallels just for this.

But unbeknownst to me Big Sur has updated the Mail app, and I absolutely love it! I use the Mail app in iOS all the time and love it, but I never liked MacOS's one until now.

So now the Mail app is similar to iOS, I'm gooood!
 

timelessbeing

macrumors 6502
Oct 15, 2009
447
131
I haven't noticed any performance improvement in Big Sur. What I do notice is that my MBP runs STINKING hot .. ALL THE TIME. Even just browsing the web.
 

Traverse

macrumors 604
Mar 11, 2013
7,710
4,489
Here
I don't care for the translucency use in the menu bar, but so far so good. Has anyone found a way to show the full username in the menu bar? No it's just the fast switching icon and I miss seeing my account name. It appears the option is gone from the Users and Groups settings panel.
 

tornado99

macrumors 6502
Jul 28, 2013
454
445
My mini review.

Okay, I am apparently one of the few who actually loves the new interface. I don't understand why people here are screaming that it is ugly after installing it. It's not like Apple hasn't released 10 beta's to make your eyes get used to the new colors. It is YOUR decision to upgrade and you knew what you signed up for. Out with they old grey, in with the refreshing white!

Obviously good design is, to some extent, a personal choice. However it is more than likely that the content you are looking it is majority white e.g. email, word processor, webpage. If you add on top of that more white in the surrounding UI you just end up with too much of it. There is a good reason that most word processors will surround the part you type on with some kind of neutral gray. It creates a useful focus.

You can see this in Windows 10 File Explorer. They basically made it as white as possible in an effort to appear more modern. Now Apple have followed, just in a more sophisticated way. Sad really. Nothing I've read on this thread so far makes me want to upgrade from Catalina.
 
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mcdawg

macrumors regular
Nov 5, 2015
135
355
I don't care for the translucency use in the menu bar, but so far so good. Has anyone found a way to show the full username in the menu bar? No it's just the fast switching icon and I miss seeing my account name. It appears the option is gone from the Users and Groups settings panel.
Yeah, it is there, I assure you. You should be able to (because I certainly can) still select Icon, Full Name, or User Name in Login Options on the Users & Groups control panel.
I don’t think anything really changed here, although the default state does appear to have been changed back to Icon.
 

Traverse

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Mar 11, 2013
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Yeah, it is there, I assure you. You should be able to (because I certainly can) still select Icon, Full Name, or User Name in Login Options on the Users & Groups control panel.
I don’t think anything really changed here, although the default state does appear to have been changed back to Icon.

Hmm, you were right - after a restart. I went to that exact screen and there was no option, but I was also having a bunch of weird glitches. Once I restarted things appear to be running normally again.

Not sure why, but I love seeing my name at the top of the display.
 
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