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Let's be honest, this is complete BS about the GPS thing...I have a Nokia N78 (candybar style phone) that can do real-time voice guided navigation via GPS flawlessly - this includes traffic avoidance, rerouting, searching for POIs online, etc. I can even download all of US, Canada, Europe, South America, wherever for free and preload on it so it doesn't need to download maps, etc. This is NOT new advanced technology, other phone companies have been offering this for a LONG time.

I'm shocked people are honestly trying to make excuses for Apple on this...they simply dropped the ball. They had a chance to create a true all in one device that could do GPS and they decided not to. Glad I went with Nokia :D

Also this idea that it has to modulate the GPS chip on/off for battery is nuts...I used my Nokia for a 2 hour trip this past weekend with GPS navigation and on 3G the whole time...didn't lose a single bar on the battery meter. Apple is just good at making excuses.

you're absolutely right. it's hilarious that this happens over and over and over again. apple doesn't implement some feature that is pretty common in other high end products and their excuse is "it can't be done".

reporters are happy the repeat the excuse without any criticism and the apple fans on these board are happy to believe it, and even go on making up explanations.

this happened with 3g, flash, multitasking and now with gps.

then there are the common features not implemented for the lack of which apple doesn't even bother to come up with reasonable explanations like video recording or generally sucky camera module.
 
Yeah. This I do not understand. You can have everything pushed and synced to the phone but...you can only have either business OR personal calendars or contacts on it? WTF is the point then?

I have a .Mac/MobileMe account where all my personal contacts are stored and synced with my phone now. But if I also want my business stuff to sync to the phone I can't have my personal stuff too? That is a big, big oversight. Seriously not happy with that. I guess I'll have to just deal with it just syncing my Exchange email and nothing else. That blows.

Have you considered the possibility that Mossberg has made a mistake with this assumption...
 
Mark my words.. where 3G and GPS will truly become exciting is when we begin to see how those crafty devs out there will leverage the new hardware in the iPhone 3G. This, of course, is something none of the early reviews could possibly tell you about because despite having had access to iPhone 3G for the past two weeks, they, like the rest of us, had NO ACCESS to the App Store. Even if they had had access to the AppStore, the damn thing is just launching this Friday! Devs need to get a feel for the new iPhone. Give it some time.

I repeat: mark my words. 3rd party apps using the new hardware is why you want an iPhone 3G, not merely on account of the presence of the new hardware.

One of the very few decent and actually spot-on posts in this thread. From my side, I will try to get busy with the 2.0 update for a month or two before buying into the 3G iPhone.
 
I'm not worried about accuracy, i'm worried about the fact that the SDK prohibited people from developing turn by turn GPS apps:

"Section 3.3.7 of the license agreement tells users that "applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance; automatic or autonomous control of vehicles, aircraft, or other mechanical devices; dispatch or fleet management; or emergency or life-saving purposes.""

Source: http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/11/iphone.sdk..gps.nav/


This isn't as clear cut as it looks. The wording is lifted from the TOS of Google Maps, and there is speculation that what is actually being said is 'you can't use Google Maps for your turn by turn navigation systems' as Google simply won't allow it for whatever reason.

It COULD be that Apple want to give TomTom or another company exclusive rights to develop a system, it could be that Google is developing a system, either weay it simply isn't the case that Apple has sat down and thought 'no, lets stop them doing that', they have used Google's words from Google's TOS and I think there is a lot more to it.
 
You've been watching too many bad hollywood films. GPS does *not* broadcast your position to the satellite. It's an entirely passive technology.

Nobody knows where you are unless you tell them (except the phone company of course, and they don't need GPS for that).

The apps that allow you to locate friends *only work if your friends are also running that application*. No background apps either, so they can't leave it on and forget.

btw. The problem with loopt (demoed at WWDC) is it communicates via SMS not data (see https://app.loopt.com/loopt/iphone.aspx), so it'll run your bill up anyway unless you have unlimited SMS.

People know where you are as soon as you allow Core Location services. That is the point in Core Location. You allow it to run, your position is recorded and shared within the application.

See the Twitterific app or Scott's demo in the keynote around 17 minutes.
 
Pogue obviously has no idea what he is talking about (re: GPS) so all of you guys need to calm down.

WTF would Apple release a GPS iPhone if it has no potential for turn-by-turn directions? THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE! The whole point of GPS is for this feature.

You guys all sound like whining teenagers.

Copy and paste will come soon. It better come soon.
Video chat would be nice and we all want it but would be a horrible battery drainer. I want it, but I don't need it, and I don't see myself using it often.
Re: MMS. No one uses it and it's freakin' expensive. And this is what email is for.
You guys really want a memory slot when it already has 8/16GB of space?
Bluetooth stereo I think can be achieved via software, and it's definitely a niche market. I don't know anyone who uses it. Again, it's a drain on battery life.

I just want my dock back.
 
I'm just curious where most iphone users live since every thread majority say they have wi fi everywhere. I live in the hampton roads, va area and we don't have wifi hardly anywhere.

Pogue obviously has no idea what he is talking about (re: GPS) so all of you guys need to calm down.

WTF would Apple release a GPS iPhone if it has no potential for turn-by-turn directions? THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE! The whole point of GPS is for this feature.

You guys all sound like whining teenagers.

Copy and paste will come soon. It better come soon.
Video chat would be nice and we all want it but would be a horrible battery drain. I want it, but I don't need it, and I don't see myself using it often.
Re: MMS. No one uses it and it's freakin' expensive. And this is what email is for.
You guys really want a memory slot when it already has 8/16GB of space?
Bluetooth stereo I think can be achieved via software, and it's definitely a niche market. I don't know anyone who uses it. Again, it's a drain on battery life.

I just want my dock back.

i send pictures via txt msg (I guess the official term is SMS) all the time. stupid 20 cent charges :(
 
I'm just curious where most iphone users live since every thread majority say they have wi fi everywhere. I live in the hampton roads, va area and we don't have wifi hardly anywhere.

Good, now people like you will have more incentive to buy an iPhone 3G.
 
Regarding GPS,

I currently use Tom Tom Navigator 6 with a Nokia Smart Phone. The GPS receiver sits on the dashboard of my car. The phone communicates via bluetooth with the reciever. The software is exactly the same as the car units. Uses very little battery and is pretty sh*t hot.

I hope this software becomes compatible with the Iphone & i will be very happy : - )
 
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WTF would Apple release a GPS iPhone if it has no potential for turn-by-turn directions? THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE! The whole point of GPS is for this feature.

Or not. Apple demonstrated several applications that showed off the GPS system and had nothing to do with turn-by-turn directions, it could be that they actually have no interest in that at all and instead want to use it for hundreds of other uses - finding bars, places to eat, friends near you, geo-tagging pics etc. I do agree that they probably will let someone launch a good satnav app, but I think you are wrong to say that Apple would never look at it this way and that the whole point of GPS is satnav.
 
<snip>Anyhows, what if this 3rd part application found it way on the phone and ran, but you didn't know about it. I was thinking along the lines of a piece of malicious software.<snip>

The only way software can get on the phone presently is for it to be signed by apple.. I really don't see apple signing malware.

It would also be a very odd thing to do - malicious software that sends your location to a website.. for what purpose? It's more likely that such software would do something like spam everyone in your address book or dial the speaking clock in timbucktoo or something. I'd be more worried about malware that was capable of triggering the builtin wipe myself..

Also this has never happened with any other phone that has GPS - even the ones running Windows!

It has happened with another phone kind of - purposely added software that then makes malicious hidden tracking-

E.g Ben Goldacre pointing it out in 2006 about the ability to do it on non GPS phones it seems:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/feb/01/news.g2

Other sites that try and use tracking
e.g. http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/3886

So when people complain about Apple vetting Applications - it's to stop this sort of thing happening in an app. As the apps are signed for, they can just throw it out, update things and everyone who has a bad app will get informed perhaps.


Make no mistake about it: these are luke warm reviews. <snip>The smart move for current iPhone owners is just to get the free update. I'm not that smart.

I'd agree with the smart move for current iPhone owners - you might be able to wait till v3 iPhone. Luke warm reviews for current owners (go get 2.0 and be happy!) and decent reviews for the phone if you don't already have one.

Pogue: - "So the iPhone 3G is a nice upgrade. It more than keeps pace with advancing technology, and new buyers will generally be delighted."

Mossberg: "Bottom line: If you’ve been waiting to buy an iPhone until it dropped in price, or ran on faster cell networks, you might want to take the plunge, if you can live with the higher service costs and the weaker battery life. The same goes for those with existing iPhones who love the device but crave faster cellular data speeds. But if you already own an iPhone, and can usually use Wi-Fi for data, you probably should hold off and get the free software upgrade before deciding whether it’s worth getting the new hardware."

USA Today: "While not everything on my wish list made it onto the new device, Apple has raised the bar with iPhone 3G. To which I offer an enthusiastic thumbs up."


If the worst comes to the worst regarding the GPS - it still holds a lot of promise for things like this:
"http://m.lonelyplanet.com, a location-based world travel guide for mobile devices enabled by mashing the Google Static Maps API, the Google HTTP geocoder, and our new Content API."
There are all sorts of things that can be made from a GPS enabled iPhone - as it has Safari capable of running so it can actually use any location for internet related linking, phoning etc...
 
So, it sounds like the iPhone 3G is a good buy for those who don't have an iPhone, but not necessarily worth a full upgrade for those who already own an iPhone.

Like David Pogue, I'm much more excited about the 2.0 firmware update than I am about the new hardware.

I agree, i never had the 1st gen, and i dont think i'll be able to get one soon (due to O2!) so im more excited about the 2.0 software and i'll get hold of a 1st gen off ebay.
 
You've seen it? Didn't think so.

It's the update of the SDK that says in Section 3.3.7, and specifies that "applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance,"

As ArsTechinca says -
there are multiple possibilities for this, e.g.

- Apple is planning on developing a full-blown navigation application, and added the clause to keep companies like TomTom out of the game.
- TomTom could have arranged some type of exclusivity agreement with Apple that will ensure that TomTom's navigation application is the only one allowed on the iPhone. TomTom's application is "just about ready," which suggests to me that the company has been working on it for quite a while, possibly even on pre-release hardware.

The problem being, that a v1 iPhone linked to a Blue tooth GPS could actually do better currently, than the v2 iPhone which has GPS in...

Most of the articles are around June 11th, when the new SDK agreement came out. Apple may well have another SDK release out come July 11th, a month later...

Otherwise - why the hell would companies like be basically designing for months, having to keep quiet due to NDAs, and then get told by Apple - "uh, no, we've changed our mind"...

PartFoundry - now linking to GoMite (the 2001 site was someone else ;)) - was wanting to offer a GPS dongle for the iPhone based on the SiRF Star III chipset - the LocoGPS.

From the FAQ
LocoGPS WiFi Mobile Navigation Server - comes with a simple to use web-based interface that is capable of showing your location within a few feet.
A complete GPS mapping software solution with turn-by-turn directions for most places around the world is also being developerd by our software partner and will be announced soon.

[any idea who the software dev. is?]
Will it require an Internet connection or a data service splan from my wireless carrier?
Because all the necessary mapping data is stored locally an internet connection or a separate data service plan is not necessary.

Will it work in my car? Inside a building? How about a long tunnel? Or on top of a Mugumo tree?
Yes, it should work in your car - especially if is is a convertible. Otherwise you may need to mount/hold the unit by the windshield as GPS signals don't transmit well through metal. Functionality is limited inside building with lots of concrete and steel, unless you are by a window. Long tunnels can be a problem - but if you find yourself lost in a tunnel follow the light and you will be just fine. And yes, we have thoroughly tested locoGPS atop many Mugomo trees and it works great.

"Please check back again in the next few weeks and we will have all the answers you seek"

(On this page they say it will work with iPhone and the iTouch).

As another point regarding TomTom - surely TomTom can see that if they could get an app out, and then include a way to correct mistakes in the map - they'd have an absolute gem on their hands - it would wipe the competition if the usage of the feature was high enough (something TomTom is already doing in Australia with its MapShare feature e.g. here

As Gizmodo states here

[/TomTom spokesperson Yann Lafargue, French site Mac Generation hit on a few interesting tidbits about 3rd party navigation software on the iPhone. During the interview, Lafargue confirmed that there was a version of TomTom software running on the iPhone but he does not know if they will ever actually ship the product. You would think that the major reason for not shipping would be the clause in the SDK agreement that states "applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance," but Lafargue insisted that is not a problem.

He believes that Apple is only "trying to protect itself" (from litigation presumably) so the verbiage in the SDK would not be an obstacle. I'm no lawyer, but the clause in the SDK seems pretty air tight to me, so I would take what was said in this interview with a grain of salt. Still, you have to think that developing for the iPhone represents a golden opportunity—so if there is a way, I'm sure someone will find it
Link to translation here

The bad Google translation quotes:

Is there at TomTom Navigator software compatible with the iPhone?

Yann Lafargue : Yes. Once the development kit was available, some of our engineers have tried to transpose the Navigator on the iPhone. And the first tests showed that it worked rather well.

What is the solution? Puisqu'à the time, except to use an external GPS module, it was not possible to rely on an integrated chip.
YL: For the moment we do not communicate on the technical details of the product.

Is a marketing is planned and when?
YL : On this point, it is still too early to come forward. What is certain is that we have a solution whose tests have proved inconclusive. We must now see to what extent it can be started. It should not be such that finalized a product to be ultimately prohibit access to App Store because Apple has decided to propose its own software or putting forward one by one of their partners.
In general, Apple has so far worked with more Americans than Europeans, prompting a caution. There is a whole set of things to confirm before talking about marketing.

Are the restrictions on the use of a GPS application that we saw in the license agreement of the iPhone SDK can be an obstacle?

YL : Non, Apple doit simplement essayer de se protéger, dans le cas où un client ayant rencontré un problème avec son iPhone et une application de navigation ait l'intention de l'attaquer.
YL: No, Apple is simply trying to protect themselves in case a customer having a problem with its iPhone and a navigation application's intention to attack


We won't have to wait long to see if there is just a lot of people on NDAs that have lapsed come July 11th... (or before, if their apps are on the App Store)...

We'll also know more when the teardowns show what GPS chip is inside (Hammerhead?)

As an aside - battery life - doesn't sound like anyone's done a decent comparison to the v1 iPhone yet... We all should know that constant 3G will suck a phone dry.
 
Make your existing iphone speaker louder 101

Take off the black plastic cap from bottom..

You will notice 2 black cloth/plastic of what I can only assume are wind/noise/trash buffers covering both the speaker and the mic.

Take them off and gently place in trash can.

Take a push pin and insert into holes (speaker & mic grills) in the plastic cap. That would firstly clean them and secondly enlarge them.

My iPhone speaker is about 500% louder now. In fact I find myself turning down the volume!
 
3G or not 3G

It's funny that for a full year, all we've heard about the iPhone was that it was a nice phone but would never sell because it wasn't 3G. That was the critical missing feature and if they ever made a 3G version, it would sell like crazy.

Now that 3G is here (almost), we get the whining that 3G isn't a big enough deal and they need something else.

Go ahead and whine all you want - this phone is going to sell like hotcakes regardless of the infinitesimal number of people who want MMS or copy/paste or whatever other pet feature people want to whine about.

Of course, if Apple releases iPhone 4G with MMS and copy/paste and video and all the other stuff the whiners want, they'll find some other 'missing' feature that they can't live without. Maybe they're religiously opposed to phones with fruit logos or something.

Go ahead and whine. No one cares.
 
YL : Non, Apple doit simplement essayer de se protéger, dans le cas où un client ayant rencontré un problème avec son iPhone et une application de navigation ait l'intention de l'attaquer. YL: No, Apple is simply trying to protect themselves in case a customer having a problem with its iPhone and a navigation application's intention to attack[/b]
Or, to put it more accurately: "No, Apple simply has to try to protect itself in the circumstances where a customer, having come across a problem with a navigation application on their iPhone wants to take legal action."
 
I'm soooo glad I went ahead and bought the Garmin and didn't wait to see how GPS was going to work on the iPhone.

What a disappointment.

But I bet TomTom, Garmin, or someone else releases an app on it that allows you to download their maps and do turn by turn. It'll even speak to you I'm sure, it'll just take someone a bit of development effort - that's all.
 
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gcmexico said:
So GPS is useless then...
*?
I thought I saw it do turn by turn navigation when Jobs debute it on WWDC?? was I seeing things...the dot was moving!!

You did see that as many of the rest of us did. I think what they are referring to with "Turn by Turn" directions is when you are approaching a turn it the phone says "Turn Now." basically the antenna is not large enough to create the accuracy that is needed to know exactly when to tell you to turn in time for you to react and make the turn.
 
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pyrophite said:
Third-party software that uses CoreLocation will be MUCH more accurate when using the GPS chip in the 3G iPhone than just WiFi + cell towers.

I'm not worried about accuracy, i'm worried about the fact that the SDK prohibited people from developing turn by turn GPS apps:

"Section 3.3.7 of the license agreement tells users that "applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance; automatic or autonomous control of vehicles, aircraft, or other mechanical devices; dispatch or fleet management; or emergency or life-saving purposes.""

Source: http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/11/iphone.sdk..gps.nav/

What about TomTom who announced that they were going to create an App for the iPhone? I guess that was a falsehood if this is the case with the agreement.
 
Speaker sound

Take off the black plastic cap from bottom..

You will notice 2 black cloth/plastic of what I can only assume are wind/noise/trash buffers covering both the speaker and the mic.

Take them off and gently place in trash can.

Take a push pin and insert into holes (speaker & mic grills) in the plastic cap. That would firstly clean them and secondly enlarge them.

My iPhone speaker is about 500% louder now. In fact I find myself turning down the volume!

How do you take the black plastic off? If this is what it takes to get louder sound out of my 1st Generation I'm good to go.

Holding out for the 3G version, happy with the new 1st gen. I have just bought from someone on ebay at $270. Dropped it and the sleep/wake button was stuck, went to Apple Friday, they replaced it with a brand new one.
 
just be better than my Treo

With regard to GPS, Lougher said it above. Just let me do what I already do with an archaic Treo 700P. TomTom Navigator works perfectly. John Clease gives turn-by-turn directions. One doesn't have to look at a map while trying to drive in what is by definition a new/strange area. If iPhone's on board capabilities won't handle it, then at least let us use an external BT GPSr.

So, too, voice dialing, i.e., real voice dialing with voice recognition and access to the Contacts file. Been doing this on old Palm for years. Can't be trying to scroll through a contacts screen with a finger while trying to drive. As simple as pushing a defined button and saying, "Call John Smith mobile."

So, too, cut/copy and paste. If an old Palm can do it, surely the new iPhone can do it somehow. And if it is not available from Apple, some 3rd party developer has a wonderful opportunity.

Bottom line. Before I jump from Treo, I'll have to see if 3rd party apps are available to fill these gaps.
 
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