Galaxy Note 5

[nj-morris]

So it looks like there's an official leak...

http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/samsung-galaxy-note-5-photo-leak/
Galaxy Note 5 photo leak shows a giant, pen-toting S6


What do u guys think? Looks like the sd card slot is gone and removable battery. 4 gb ram is crazy lol

I think what puts me off the 4GB RAM is that only 743MB of it will be available to the user. Can you imagine if the iPhone 6S Plus with half the RAM has double the available RAM?
Back to the photos though, TouchWiz looks completely revamped, and looks much better than it previously was. But with over 3GB RAM and nearly 8GB storage taken up by it, not sure if it will be less bloated.

 

[Truefan31]

I think what puts me off the 4GB RAM is that only 743MB of it will be available to the user. Can you imagine if the iPhone 6S Plus with half the RAM has double the available RAM?
Back to the photos though, TouchWiz looks completely revamped, and looks much better than it previously was. But with over 3GB RAM and nearly 8GB storage taken up by it, not sure if it will be less bloated.

Holy cow with 4 gb ram less than a gig will be available? Jeez.

 

[MRU]

I think what puts me off the 4GB RAM is that only 743MB of it will be available to the user. Can you imagine if the iPhone 6S Plus with half the RAM has double the available RAM?
Back to the photos though, TouchWiz looks completely revamped, and looks much better than it previously was. But with over 3GB RAM taken up by it, not sure if it will be less bloated.

Yeah it's a concern. It clearly looks like the issue of high ram usage / aggressive ram doesn't appear to be fixed just by jumping to 4gb - but we shall see. Why Samsung can't offer same kind of Ram usage & management as LG, Sony, HTC, Google, Motorola ?? Even LG's thick in your face skins are not as ram hungry.

Some defending this say 'android is supposed to be like this' when this issue is raised, and yet the very fact Googles own nexus devices don't behave this way, or other companies devices do not is surely evidence and testament enough that 'no it isn't' supposed to be this way.

That being said we will have to wait and see if the extra 1gb will offer improved performance before condemning it. But yeah it is a concern and it's always a concern for me when it comes to Samsung devices.

 

[The Game 161]

Resale value is playing on my mind alot

Going forward I'm going to buy my phones so I can have a cheap 17 pounds a month contract

And I phones Resale value is great. I only got £264 for my note 4 while the iPhone 6 plus is going for over £150 more on sellmymobile site. That is quite big really

IPhone 6 plus 16GB is going for £370

Note 4 32GB £264...that is a key factor for me

 

[Michael Goff]

I still don't see why people think the picture that shows 743mb of free RAM is true. The thing also says that it's using Dalvik 2.0 (which I doubt is true, the S6 uses ART 2.0). I just have this feeling that something's up.

 

[nj-morris]

I still don't see why people think the picture that shows 743mb of free RAM is true. The thing also says that it's using Dalvik 2.0 (which I doubt is true, the S6 uses ART 2.0). I just have this feeling that something's up.

It says 'confirmed' in the title, so don't question it.

 

[pedro_martins]

I think what puts me off the 4GB RAM is that only 743MB of it will be available to the user. Can you imagine if the iPhone 6S Plus with half the RAM has double the available RAM?
Back to the photos though, TouchWiz looks completely revamped, and looks much better than it previously was. But with over 3GB RAM and nearly 8GB storage taken up by it, not sure if it will be less bloated.

Are you sure about this?

Doesn't Android use RAM in the same way as, say, iOS and OS X or Linux? Doesn't it try to cache as much as it can regardless of how many apps and services you have? Free RAM is wasted RAM, that's not how a modern OS handles memory.

I say this because I have a Samsung device. What happened was: Out of the box, only 250MB of RAM were free (it has 1GB). After I installed my apps, apps that eat a lot of RAM (more than 250), it had 150 MB free or less, but performance was the same (poor). So it manages it. In the beginning, some apps and services were cached.

The problem only appears after some processes that should be in memory reboot, that's when the phone slows to a crawl.

 

[MRU]

Are you sure about this?

Doesn't Android use RAM in the same way as, say, iOS and OS X or Linux? Doesn't it try to cache as much as it can regardless of how many apps and services you have? Free RAM is wasted RAM, that's not how a modern OS handles memory.

This is a common misnomer. Whilst having masses of memory not being used 'ever' is a waste. You need a healthy share of free ram to enable new applications to open and to enable multitasking / backgrounding of applications.

The issue with having a device use up all its ram quickly as is the case with Samsung devices is that often it means going back and multitasking results in apps getting shut down early, resulting in a refreshes and delays as content has to reload afresh - resulting in a poor experience.

HTC M9 has 3gb of Ram. It uses around 700-800mb on the system & stock apps, 500-600mb cached apps & stuff and then leaves a healthy 1.2-1.4gb or so free for other applications and multitasking. The end result is that you can have literally 15 apps running in the background without being refreshes when you switch between them.

The Sony z3 has 3gb of ram and utilises much the same resource as the M9

The Nexus 6 has 3gb and uses around 500-600mb on the system, and 200-300 apps, with around 300-400mb for cached apps. This leaves nearly 2gb free, and again you can open a dozen apps and switch between them without ever having to suffer a refresh because the device has free memory that it can handle this situation.

The S6 Edge 3gb system uses 1.9gb for it system & apps + around 477mb cached - leaving a paltry 282mb free ..... End result is that you can only open half a dozen apps and if they are fairly memory hungry such as tapatalk or google newsstand - expect reloading and refreshing after 4 or 5 open apps, resulting in a far poorer experience.

So no ..... Having lots of RAM used up has not meant it's less wasted - the end result is more waste. Worse performance.

The Moto X 2014 2gb can multitask better than the S6 / S6 Edge despite an extra 1gb of ram.

If Stock Android doesn't behave the way you state is normal, and if every other Android OEM doesn't seem to have as much issues with excessive ram usage - making Samsung the 'exception' then it is not 'normal.

Even my iPhone 6 plus in everyday use actually reloads apps less often than my S6 Edge which has 3x the memory.

 

[pedro_martins]

This is a common misnomer. Whilst having masses of memory not being used 'ever' is a waste. You need a healthy share of free ram to enable new applications to open and to enable multitasking / backgrounding of applications.

The issue with having a device use up all its ram quickly as is the case with Samsung devices is that often it means going back and multitasking results in apps getting shut down early, resulting in a refreshes and delays as content has to reload afresh - resulting in a poor experience.

The S6 Edge 3gb system uses 1.9gb for it system & apps + around 477mb cached - leaving a paltry 282mb free ..... End result is that you can only open half a dozen apps and if they are fairly memory hungry such as tapatalk or google newsstand - expect reloading and refreshing after 4 or 5 open apps, resulting in a far poorer experience.

So no ..... Having lots of RAM used up has not meant it's less wasted - the end result is more waste. Worse performance.

Even my iPhone 6 plus in everyday use actually reloads apps less often than my S6 Edge which has 3x the memory.

Ok, but the 700 MB of the Note 5 should be more than enough to properly initialize multitasking. The problem seems to be that Samsung never caches/let's go their first party apps and services and makes them stay in memory (priority).

I don't know... After rooting and removing all the Samsung, Google and Carrier bloat all I can say is that my next phone will be an iPhone.

 

[nj-morris]

This is a common misnomer. Whilst having masses of memory not being used 'ever' is a waste. You need a healthy share of free ram to enable new applications to open and to enable multitasking / backgrounding of applications.

The issue with having a device use up all its ram quickly as is the case with Samsung devices is that often it means going back and multitasking results in apps getting shut down early, resulting in a refreshes and delays as content has to reload afresh - resulting in a poor experience.

HTC M9 has 3gb of Ram. It uses around 700-800mb on the system & stock apps, 500-600mb cached apps & stuff and then leaves a healthy 1.2-1.4gb or so free for other applications and multitasking. The end result is that you can have literally 15 apps running in the background without being refreshes when you switch between them.

The Sony z3 has 3gb of ram and utilises much the same resource as the M9

The Nexus 6 has 3gb and uses around 500-600mb on the system, and 200-300 apps, with around 300-400mb for cached apps. This leaves nearly 2gb free, and again you can open a dozen apps and switch between them without ever having to suffer a refresh because the device has free memory that it can handle this situation.

The S6 Edge 3gb system uses 1.9gb for it system & apps + around 477mb cached - leaving a paltry 282mb free ..... End result is that you can only open half a dozen apps and if they are fairly memory hungry such as tapatalk or google newsstand - expect reloading and refreshing after 4 or 5 open apps, resulting in a far poorer experience.

So no ..... Having lots of RAM used up has not meant it's less wasted - the end result is more waste. Worse performance.

The Moto X 2014 2gb can multitask better than the S6 / S6 Edge despite an extra 1gb of ram.

If Stock Android doesn't behave the way you state is normal, and if every other Android OEM doesn't seem to have as much issues with excessive ram usage - making Samsung the 'exception' then it is not 'normal.

Even my iPhone 6 plus in everyday use actually reloads apps less often than my S6 Edge which has 3x the memory.

You're right, the more user-available RAM the better. But I think he's referring to the fact that unused RAM is wasted. Say you have 4GB, and 1GB of it is available. If you have loads of apps open, each of them will use a small amount of RAM, which is not beneficial, so it phases out some of them, resulting in reloads. But if you only have one app in use, it uses say 300MB, because that's all it needs. So the other 700MB is wasted. I think that's what he means.
TLDR: User available RAM is needed, but unused RAM is wasted RAM.

 

[gotluck]

Where did you get that 700mb number? I think I missed a screenshot.

did we get a breakdown between system and user apps? Was wondering if they finally trimmed system, stock lollipop runs at like 250-300 mb. Much of the app categorization could probably be trimmed by disabling bloat

 

[MRU]

Where did you get that 700mb number? I think I missed a screenshot.

did we get a breakdown between system and user apps? Was wondering if they finally trimmed system, stock lollipop runs at like 250-300 mb. Much of the app categorization could probably be trimmed by disabling bloat

There was a screenshot of the benchmark results which showed just over 700mb free of the 4gb.

So here we can see N920F which would be the european / international model number. Listed as using the exynos 7422. It will likely use the revised chip with the Samsung modem now on the all in one chip along with CPU/Memory/GPU


The recent benchmark from Antutu is for the Verizon model N920V

Which shows it with a 7420 exynos. Now this is likely correct as I have previously explained. The S6/S6 Edge on Verizon actually uses a Qualcomm modem.

The S6/Edge on other networks use a Samsung modem. Hence its likely that the Verizon S6 Edge Plus and Note 5 will continue to offer the 7420 if they need to use the Qualcomm modem with the Verizon network.


N920F international model and AT&T / TMobile will in all likelihood use the Samsung modem and hence can use the Exynos 7422. It is a minor revision chip and does not offer any processing power difference, so regardless of whether you get a note with 7420 or 7422 you will get same performance - the differentiator will be the modem/radio.


I could be wrong ..... But I haven't been so far

 

[jamezr]

Where did you get that 700mb number? I think I missed a screenshot.

did we get a breakdown between system and user apps? Was wondering if they finally trimmed system, stock lollipop runs at like 250-300 mb. Much of the app categorization could probably be trimmed by disabling bloat

No one knows for sure yet. The screen shot is not official. We will know more soon. My plans are to get the Note 5 and Moto Pure and really do a side by side comparisons of the 2 phones. Hopefully show how they perform in real life situations.

 

[grkm3]

OK after hours of debugging my framework I think I finally killed one of googles main batt bug on my gs6.I bit the bullet and updated firmware (not latest with no root) and I got 5 hours screen time after extreme debloat and serious Google services removal.as you can see in my stats Google is killing my phone.

I even disabled Google framework services and deleted the play store.after hours of manually editing the google play services app (google runs over 400 services you can't see)I found confetchservice kept on rebooting and reconnecting so I deleted that mofo and will see if it helps.

 

[grkm3]

here is my ram use after extreame clean up

 

[spinedoc77]

Can't go wrong with an iphone. But does it have front facing stereo speakers? What about the Note 5 that we know of so far that is not flagship? Just curious.

You're absolutely right!! The motox looks nice but is also missing some key features. Honestly it's probably between the iPhone 6s+ and the edge 6+, I'll most likely get both though and go back and forth. I know I'm in the minority here, but I love thin phones and if the S6 really is as thin as the 6s+ then I'm pretty confident I'll stick with that unless touchwiz sucks again or I run into hardware issues. But I'm fairly sure it won't be the Note 5, but of course I'll probably change my mind at the last minute !!!

 

[gotluck]

There was a screenshot of the benchmark results which showed just over 700mb free of the 4gb.

So here we can see N920F which would be the european / international model number. Listed as using the exynos 7422. It will likely use the revised chip with the Samsung modem now on the all in one chip along with CPU/Memory/GPU


The recent benchmark from Antutu is for the Verizon model N920V

Which shows it with a 7420 exynos. Now this is likely correct as I have previously explained. The S6/S6 Edge on Verizon actually uses a Qualcomm modem.

The S6/Edge on other networks use a Samsung modem. Hence its likely that the Verizon S6 Edge Plus and Note 5 will continue to offer the 7420 if they need to use the Qualcomm modem with the Verizon network.


N920F international model and AT&T / TMobile will in all likelihood use the Samsung modem and hence can use the Exynos 7422. It is a minor revision chip and does not offer any processing power difference, so regardless of whether you get a note with 7420 or 7422 you will get same performance - the differentiator will be the modem/radio.


I could be wrong ..... But I haven't been so far

Very nice I imagine you are spot on with the processor/ modem.

As far as ram, I think we need more details than just the available amount to make judgements. Though no one should be jumping in their boots based off that figure. It's just so crazy that samsung needs more ram to accommodate touchwiz than 64bit windows 7-10 needs. I have 2gb of 4 gb ram free after a fresh boot of windows 10, for gods sake!! Stock android has got to be like 300%+ more lean, then throw all the bloat on top too

 

[nviz22]

I think what puts me off the 4GB RAM is that only 743MB of it will be available to the user. Can you imagine if the iPhone 6S Plus with half the RAM has double the available RAM?
Back to the photos though, TouchWiz looks completely revamped, and looks much better than it previously was. But with over 3GB RAM and nearly 8GB storage taken up by it, not sure if it will be less bloated.

Ouch. Samsung needs a new skin overall.

 

[jamezr]

here is my ram use after extreame clean up
View attachment 573244

So you have about half of your ram free? That is awesome!

 

[MRU]

here is my ram use after extreame clean up
View attachment 573244

That's awesome on one hand and rubs salt in the wound of the other.

Any compatibility issues / stability / crashes since doing this?

Wish my S6 Edge had that much ram free

 

[gotluck]

I think he said he removed play store and disabled google services, I would imagine that would break many core android functions. You really shouldnt have to manually disable aspects of google play services, just turn off things like google now, location history. Google play services doesnt even show on my battery chart most of the time. I would focus on debloating the samsung side of the rom, but that's me. Maybe some google apps, but not google play services

 

[grkm3]

I think he said he removed play store and disabled google services, I would imagine that would break many core android functions. You really shouldnt have to manually disable aspects of google play services, just turn off things like google now, location history. Google play services doesnt even show on my battery chart most of the time. I would focus on debloating the samsung side of the rom, but that's me. Maybe some google apps, but not google play services

play store is back I needed to see if it was the issue

I'm still testing more today and will report back.

to mru I think I lost quick connect and allshare stuff but never used those.my main things I need and want are still usable,like

blu tooth connection to my car with music
google music account with pay key
YouTube and playstore.

playboy's and a whole bunch of google crap like games and sync are all gone.

 

[grkm3]

there is still something running keeping google conecting and it's driving me nuts.I got 1 hour use and only dropped 3% battery though lol

 

[grkm3]

these are the lollipop google issues I'm having problems with.

 

[grkm3]

That's awesome on one hand and rubs salt in the wound of the other.

Any compatibility issues / stability / crashes since doing this?

Wish my S6 Edge had that much ram free

trust me I rather have your unlocked phone.you have an unlocked bootloader that allows you to run custom modified kernels and real custom roms

I want to run a kernel with .50mv less voltage across each clock state and under clock the device to 200mhz while sleeping.

you have so much potential to mod your gs6 edge to blow mine away!