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T-Mobile sent me this text, today:

Thanks for your recent pre order of the Samsung Galaxy Note7 with JUMP! On Demand. We are now offering this phone for $0 upfront with a $37.50 monthly payment - or just keep your $69.99 upfront payment with a $33.50 monthly payment. Please call 844-732-5074 if you would like to make this change. For well qualified customers. Taxes and Fees apply.

For more information, just thought I'd post this.
 
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Sorry if this was covered but has there been word on how long it will be until N update? Kinda a bummer it isnt launching with it.
 
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Wow, I'm going to be blown away by the fingerprint scanner on my new note seeing as I've never had a single issue with the scanner on my note 5, how do you improve on that?
 
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Iris scanner works awesome in complete darkness.


Whilst its good it works, to me the issue remains that in the time it takes to press power button, swipe the screen and align the eyes, you could have unlocked the device quicker with the fingerprint scanner and that includes in the darkness.

Indeed; he has to unlock via power button because if he woke the screen via the home button it would likely have gone ahead read the finger and unlocked. Bypassing ability or the function to even initiate Iris scanner.

So whilst it undoubtably works, it's still fundamentally much slower than the existing technology that's already right in front of you.

That's the problem, it doesn't improve experience. It genuinely seems to be there to merely add another feature to differentiate itself from S7 & S7e.
 
Whilst its good it works, to me the issue remains that in the time it takes to press power button, swipe the screen and align the eyes, you could have unlocked the device quicker with the fingerprint scanner and that includes in the darkness.

Indeed; he has to unlock via power button because if he woke the screen via the home button it would likely have gone ahead read the finger and unlocked. Bypassing ability or the function to even initiate Iris scanner.

So whilst it undoubtably works, it's still fundamentally much slower than the existing technology that's already right in front of you.

That's the problem, it doesn't improve experience. It genuinely seems to be there to merely add another feature to differentiate itself from S7 & S7e.
I think a raise to wake feature where you rise the phone then use your eyes would work great and I would likely use it a lot more than even the FP scanner. Maybe next year
 
I think a raise to wake feature where you rise the phone then use your eyes would work great and I would likely use it a lot more than even the FP scanner. Maybe next year

But even the procedure of picking up the device and raising it, you likely could have actually already unlocked it via your fingerprint before its even fully risen to your eyeline.
 
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Try all that with one hand... and holding a struggling child

I don't see how holding the device in your hand and unlocking it via fingerprint would be any more awkward, than holding phone, shuffling hand to power button, swiping screen, reading your eyes. Indeed that seems far more awkward on anyone - regardless of struggling child.
 
But even the procedure of picking up the device and raising it, you likely could have actually already unlocked it via your fingerprint before its even fully risen to your eyeline.
Dunno about that, I think it would be just as quick with glancing and using your eyes. Using FP you would need to get it out your pocket then likely with your left hand move it to put your finger on it. So it might not be as quick as you think.
 
Dunno about that, I think it would be just as quick with glancing and using your eyes. Using FP you would need to get it out your pocket then likely with your left hand move it to put your finger on it. So it might not be as quick as you think.

I normally have my phone woken and unlocked via my finger whilst transitioning taking it out of my pocket and raising it to use.
 
Whether it works better then a finger print in your use case or not, the iris scanner is well implemented, we'll enough that I'll set it up even though I'll probably use the finger print reader 95% of the time. But on the few occasions where my fingers are dirty or wet (which give finger print readers a lot of trouble) and it tells me my finger print doesn't match, I can just hold it up and use my iris rather then start to type out my long password.
 
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Whether it works better then a finger print in your use case or not, the iris scanner is well implemented, we'll enough that I'll set it up even though I'll probably use the finger print reader 95% of the time. But on the few occasions where my fingers are dirty or wet (which give finger print readers a lot of trouble) and it tells me my finger print doesn't match, I can just hold it up and use my iris rather then start to type out my long password.

In those instances the time it takes to fail reading your finger because it's dirty, you could have used the pattern unlock alternative. (Rather than long password).

Don't get me wrong, the Iris scanner is a nice feature and it's good it works, but it fundamentally is a solution that is looking for a problem over the existing technology already available.

I do get the excitement for the Note 7, it's a fantastic looking device, but honestly it does seem you lot are getting carried away (like a Mexican wave) in the launch excitement by perhaps the least interesting new feature rather than some of the genuinely great stuff that make the Note 7 a fab device. (Such as the 4096 levels of pressure sensitivity which is amazing on a mobile device for stylus users, after all it's called 'Note' for a reason)

I honestly see the IRIS scanner on the same level as the HR Sensor, and I remember these exact same arguments about its usefulness when Samsung began using them and now it's resigned to that feature most users never-ever-utilise and is never talked about anymore.
 
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All the potential usability benefits provided by the IRIS scanner are taken away by the swipe required before it can actually scan your eyes.

I understand why Samsung implemented it like this as it would be extremely annoying if all you wanted to do was check the time but every time you press the power button, the iris scanner pops up first thing.

Its a hard situation to deal with given that you can't win both battles. Including the swipe means you wouldn't be able to easily activate the scanner with gloves on but without the swipe, you get other usuability issues. Its not an easy call to make.
 
In those instances the time it takes to fail reading your finger because it's dirty, you could have used the pattern unlock alternative. (Rather than long password).

Don't get me wrong, the Iris scanner is a nice feature and it's good it works, but it fundamentally is a solution that is looking for a problem over the existing technology already available.

I get the excitement for the Note 7, it's a fantastic looking device, but it does seem you lot are getting carried away in the launch excitement by the least interesting new feature rather than some of the genuinely great stuff that make the Note 7 a fab device.
I disagree on the usefulness there. The fingerprint reader is hit or miss when wet or dirty, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, so I always try it first and actually let it scan a couple of times before I give up and enter my password, which is a 10 digit password combination of letters and numbers. And if the phone is wet (it is water resistant and I've used the edge in the pool and in the rain) even that is a pain because the water droplets cause false touches all over the place. I could use the pattern unlock, but that is less secure and I can only choose one.

But now I'll have another option to just hold it up to scan my eyes. I don't wear glasses or contacts so that won't be a problem. The finger print reader will still be my go to, but I like that I'll be able to fall back to the iris scan instead of then having to put my password in.

Of course all this is dependent on how well it actually works in the real world, but from the videos I've seen they seem to have implemented it well.

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I do get the excitement for the Note 7, it's a fantastic looking device, but honestly it does seem you lot are getting carried away (like a Mexican wave) in the launch excitement by perhaps the least interesting new feature rather than some of the genuinely great stuff that make the Note 7 a fab device. (Such as the 4096 levels of pressure sensitivity which is amazing on a mobile device for stylus users, after all it's called 'Note' for a reason)

I honestly see the IRIS scanner on the same level as the HR Sensor, and I remember these exact same arguments about its usefulness when Samsung began using them and now it's resigned to that feature most users never-ever-utilise and is never talked about anymore.

Saw this after my initial response. I'm not putting the iris scanner at the top of the list of why I'm excited about the phone, the design is what I'm excited about. It is a unique feature that I've never tried before so there is some excitement on trying it out, and hey if it works well I can see some use cases for it, so I disagree on its usefulness.

As for the spen, I was actually a bit disappointed in it. The new features seem cool, but I was really hoping for tilt like on my apple pencil. And the thinner tip actually made it more awkward for me to use than my past notes. Again will have to use without those pesky security attachments, but first impressions I was disappointed in the hardware of the new spen (software is a different matter, that I actually liked).
 
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I disagree on the usefulness there. The fingerprint reader is hit or miss when wet or dirty, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, so I always try it first and actually let it scan a couple of times before I give up and enter my password, which is a 10 digit password combination of letters and numbers. And if the phone is wet (it is water resistant and I've used the edge in the pool and in the rain) even that is a pain because the water droplets cause false touches all over the place. I could use the pattern unlock, but that is less secure and I can only choose one.

But now I'll have another option to just hold it up to scan my eyes. I don't wear glasses or contacts so that won't be a problem. The finger print reader will still be my go to, but I like that I'll be able to fall back to the iris scan instead of then having to put my password in.

Of course all this is dependent on how well it actually works in the real world, but from the videos I've seen they seem to have implemented it well.

But again wouldn't an improved fingerprint scanner that can handle wet fingers or a layer of grime/dirt on finger be a much more practical solution ?

That would be a practical and worthwhile solution to a problem after all Samsung do make these iP 68 certified, they should pursue better finger print readers. A genuine solution, rather than add yet another sensor solution with its its own set of inherent issues / flaws.

What device are you currently using BTW ? On my S7e I could set it to allow the pattern unlock if it failed to read my finger.
 
I don't see how holding the device in your hand and unlocking it via fingerprint would be any more awkward, than holding phone, shuffling hand to power button, swiping screen, reading your eyes. Indeed that seems far more awkward on anyone - regardless of struggling child.

I'll let you know how it is in a few weeks, as it is, I struggle to unlock my phone one handed, without having to do a one handed shuffle which makes the phone top heavy and easier to drop. I'm confident the iris scanner will be more useful in this aspect.

I could be totally wrong, wouldn't be the first time, I guess I'll find out soon.
 
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But again wouldn't an improved fingerprint scanner that can handle wet fingers or a layer of grime/dirt on finger be a much more practical solution ?

That would be a practical and worthwhile solution to a problem after all Samsung do make these iP 68 certified, they should pursue better finger print readers. A genuine solution, rather than add another solution to its its own set of inherent issues / flaws.

What device are you currently using BTW ? On my S7e I could set it to allow the pattern unlock if it failed to read my finger.
Using a regular s7, I keep going back and forth on whether to return it or keep it and sell my note 5 instead. Got it free with the Note 7 pre-order. What I ment was I can only set one backup, either a pin number, alphanumeric password, or pattern. So since the fingerprint reader works most of the time I chose password.

And yeah, a better finger print reader would be awesome. At this point in time though, even my iPhone has trouble with wet or dirty fingers and that has the best finger print I've seen. So maybe the tech isn't there yet or would be too expensive to use? Plus for those that live up north (I'm in a tropical climate so it doesn't effect me) I can see how it would be a problem having to remove your gloves to scan your finger print.
 
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