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Wouldn't it have been more natural to test the N7 vs the 6s Plus instead? I'm not sure if there's a real world difference in speed between the 6s and the 6s Plus but it would make sense if there was, given the higher resolution/bigger screen on the 6s Plus.

For comparison, below is a speed test between the Note 5 and a 6s Plus. Here, the 6s Plus beats the N5 with only 15 seconds after two laps, whereas the 6s beat the N7 with a full minute...! This could mean that either the 6s is significantly faster than the 6s Plus OR that the Note 7 is significantly slower than it's predecessor...


...but it could also simply mean that opening graphic intensive games is the real achilles heel of the Notes (aside from memory management), since it looks like the first test features more of those than the second test.

In any case, it's really striking how slow the N7 is at opening those graphic intensive games. To the point that it looks like there's something wrong with the N7... Have there been any significant speed enhancing updates to any of the previous notes?

FAKE EDIT: I checked these 6s vs 6s Plus benchmarks on Anandtech. It seems that those two models are mostly equally fast. Aside from memory management (scroll down to Basemark OS II 2.0 - Memory), where the 6s is notably faster - not sure however how much that particular benchmark has to do with actual RAM management... So in summary, maybe the Note 7 would have done better vs. a 6s Plus at least on the second lap.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/6


I cringe at those type of video speed tests. Nobody factors that the games are going through the TW game launcher, checking external storage, accessing the login of "Play Games", and possibly on some power saving setting.
 
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Ordered my note 7 from Carphone warehouse over the phone. But they didn't take my email or phone number? Is this normal?
 
Lovely phone and I keep coming back to this or s7e but and here is the biggest issue for me and that is the track record I've had with Samsung. Right now I'm on a rooted sprint note 4 with cracked screen. It's buggy, laggy, the s pen has never worked I think something was wrong with the digitizer. It has issues and on its last legs.

I've had a number of Samsung devices even the Galaxy Nexus and most leave a bad taste in my mouth now because of problems I've had. It could be because I was rooting and flashing Roms. But the other issue is bloatware and updates.

Still I keep thinking and wonder if the newest device will be any different. I don't think I'd use the engineering boot for root btw. I could use my nexus devices for play and a new note or s7 as a daily driver I guess.

Thoughts?
Ok I've only really owned one Samsung phone for a long period. The original Galaxy note which I owned for 15 months. It had issues, it was buggy and laggy and overheated. But that was a long time ago and things have moved on in the android world. After this I used the S4, note 3 and S5, each for about 6 months. To be honest I didn't really have any issues with any of them. Also the experience improved with each device. The S5 was very stable, responsive and fluid. So aside from the original note I've had good experiences with my Samsung phones. I'll be keeping my 6S plus and I have insurance on my S7 edge so it should be ok.

I trust Samsung more than any of the other android OEM's. I've used nexus tablets and I had the lg G3 for 3 days but returned it for the S5.
 
Ordered my note 7 from Carphone warehouse over the phone. But they didn't take my email or phone number? Is this normal?
What did they ask for? Just delivery address? Unless they are just putting you in line for your order and the people who order first get it
 
I cringe at those type of video speed tests. Nobody factors that the games are going through the TW game launcher, checking external storage, accessing the login of "Play Games", and possibly on some power saving setting.
Isn't the real world speed what it is though, regardless of what the phone needs to do to open the games? Or are you saying those are things that can be disabled?
 
Isn't the real world speed what it is though, regardless of what the phone needs to do to open the games? Or are you saying those are things that can be disabled?

Can't confirm any power saving or developer settings that can be toggled on and off, but I'll take the vlogger's word and say it's a real world. What's not real world is opening that many apps and games at the same time, and claim the Note 7 is way behind because one game took longer on the Android platform than on iOS. That's just plain ridiculous, and arguably planned with the right specific apps.

But regardless, my point was the vlogger was blaming it on memory management. The S7 edge has excellent memory management, so it's basically a sure thing the Note 7 does too, being that they share the same internals.

Android also forces apps/games to declare more permissions than iOS. The same cross platform Android and iOS apps/games, many times implement differ ways for ads. Sometimes more on Android, sometime more on iOS.

The video has nothing to do with memory management, but everything to do with differ platforms. One of my favorite mobile games "Need For Speed Most Wanted" loads slower on a iPhone 6S plus than the S7 edge. Same with Marvel Champions. But games like Temple Run 2 and Spider Man Unlimited loads faster on the iPhone 6S plus.
 
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Man oh man, I can't stress enough how pointless those speed tests are. Opening a billion apps as quick as you can is so far from real life use of the devices. Lol. Just look how badly the Exynos S7 Edge beat the Snapdragon version. But the real life actual use won't show a difference. Like I said, pointless.
 
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You mean this one?


Wouldn't it have been more natural to test the N7 vs the 6s Plus instead? I'm not sure if there's a real world difference in speed between the 6s and the 6s Plus but it would make sense if there was, given the higher resolution/bigger screen on the 6s Plus.

For comparison, below is a speed test between the Note 5 and a 6s Plus. Here, the 6s Plus beats the N5 with only 15 seconds after two laps, whereas the 6s beat the N7 with a full minute...! This could mean that either the 6s is significantly faster than the 6s Plus OR that the Note 7 is significantly slower than it's predecessor...


...but it could also simply mean that opening graphic intensive games is the real achilles heel of the Notes (aside from memory management), since it looks like the first test features more of those than the second test.

In any case, it's really striking how slow the N7 is at opening those graphic intensive games. To the point that it looks like there's something wrong with the N7... Have there been any significant speed enhancing updates to any of the previous notes?

FAKE EDIT: I checked these 6s vs 6s Plus benchmarks on Anandtech. It seems that those two models are mostly equally fast. Aside from memory management (scroll down to Basemark OS II 2.0 - Memory), where the 6s is notably faster - not sure however how much that particular benchmark has to do with actual RAM management... So in summary, maybe the Note 7 would have done better vs. a 6s Plus at least on the second lap.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/6
Note 5 was exynos
Note 7 tested is snapdragon

Snapdragon S7/S7e struggle with memory management in comparison to Exynos

Exynos speed test comparisons make it as fast or faster than iPhone 6S/+

Note 7 Exynos will be same.


But in actual use the reality is the devices are all fast. It's why I am not really pushed about another speed boost by Apple this coming year, I'd rather see battery and screen resolution (for 4.7" more than 5.5") boost, but instead we will just get thinner, no headphone jack and more speed which will make our days a few seconds more productive over the course of the day speed wise ...

That being said i would love to see an android device with the same SOC as the iPhone so we can finally answer the question about which OS is more optimised to the hardware (we all suspect iOS is, but without exact like for like hardware there is still a discrepancy).
 
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Note 5 was exynos
Note 7 tested is snapdragon

Snapdragon S7/S7e struggle with memory management in comparison to Exynos

Exynos speed test comparisons make it as fast or faster than iPhone 6S/+

Note 7 Exynos will be same.


But in actual use the reality is the devices are all fast. It's why I am not really pushed about another speed boost by Apple this coming year, I'd rather see battery and screen resolution (for 4.7 more than 5.5) boosts, but instead we will get thinner, no headphone jack and more speed which will make our days a fee seconds more productive speed wise ...
could not agree more......This goes for all phone makers and not just Apple. I don't want a thinner bezel less (gotta have something to hold on too) phones. I want better and better battery life...better and better camera and features and ergonomics that make using the phone easier. I think we are at a point in smartphone evolution that most phones are fast enough for everyday use.
Now lets make them battery life that lasts 2 days with normal use and give us almost DSLR capable camera and features and ergonomics that make our phones easier.
 
Few markets in Europe and Asia are getting their Note 7 delayed. Demand is too high for the Note 7. I assume major market like US will have enough stocks. But possible that 1st month stocks will be mainly to satisfy pre-orders.

BTW, Samsung Electronics shares have never been higher. And for the 1st time in history their P/E ratio was more than Apple's. They sure did something right in 2016.
 
You mean this one?


Wouldn't it have been more natural to test the N7 vs the 6s Plus instead? I'm not sure if there's a real world difference in speed between the 6s and the 6s Plus but it would make sense if there was, given the higher resolution/bigger screen on the 6s Plus.

For comparison, below is a speed test between the Note 5 and a 6s Plus. Here, the 6s Plus beats the N5 with only 15 seconds after two laps, whereas the 6s beat the N7 with a full minute...! This could mean that either the 6s is significantly faster than the 6s Plus OR that the Note 7 is significantly slower than it's predecessor...


...but it could also simply mean that opening graphic intensive games is the real achilles heel of the Notes (aside from memory management), since it looks like the first test features more of those than the second test.

In any case, it's really striking how slow the N7 is at opening those graphic intensive games. To the point that it looks like there's something wrong with the N7... Have there been any significant speed enhancing updates to any of the previous notes?

FAKE EDIT: I checked these 6s vs 6s Plus benchmarks on Anandtech. It seems that those two models are mostly equally fast. Aside from memory management (scroll down to Basemark OS II 2.0 - Memory), where the 6s is notably faster - not sure however how much that particular benchmark has to do with actual RAM management... So in summary, maybe the Note 7 would have done better vs. a 6s Plus at least on the second lap.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/6

The other issue regarding these types of tests comes down to app optimization for the particular platform. The real drags seem to come down the game loading. Some games could be more optimized for IOS, others Android. I don't really think the developers care which one loads faster between the platforms, so they aren't optimizing with this in mind.

I will admit however that that video does demonstrate RAM issues (the Note doesn't seem to hold some of the apps in memory well).
 
The translate function from S-Pen also works in the camera app :cool:
Wicked.

Does anyone know if you can still extract editable text from an image using Smart Select? That used to be possible already on the Note 4 or 5 if I recall? I've googled it but found a lot of conflicting info..
 
You mean this one?


Wouldn't it have been more natural to test the N7 vs the 6s Plus instead? I'm not sure if there's a real world difference in speed between the 6s and the 6s Plus but it would make sense if there was, given the higher resolution/bigger screen on the 6s Plus.

Unless someone's use of a cell phone consist of launching 16 apps in a row, this video doesn't prove much. The iPhone's ram management is better than Android but if someone switch between 4-5 apps, it should be less of an issue. I don't see Samsung fixing this, it's clearly in Google's hands.

My Note4 was fine for me.. N7 should be better.
 
Unless someone's use of a cell phone consist of launching 16 apps in a row, this video doesn't prove much. The iPhone's ram management is better than Android but if someone switch between 4-5 apps, it should be less of an issue. I don't see Samsung fixing this, it's clearly in Google's hands.

My Note4 was fine for me.. N7 should be better.
Sorry but the ram management is nothing to do with Google I'm afraid. Samsung seems to employ a lack of optimisation in regards to the snapdragon in the USA version.

The exynos version of the S7/S7e did not have issues memory management wise and we're able to keep far more apps open despite sharing the same amount of ram as the snapdragon version. You can easily get a dozen or more apps open on the exynos variant and flick between them without reloading.

You would therefore be led to believe that perhaps it's the Qualcomm snapdragon at fault but... HTC / LG and others are using the same snapdragon 820 and likewise as the exynos, do not have the issue opening and storing apps in the background. Indeed I managed to get 18 apps open and going between them on my HTC 10 without a single refresh.

Therefore the only explanation has to be laid at Samsung's feet for this one. Whether they originally designed and optimised the current Grace UI / TW OS for the exynos and then failed to put the same amount of optimisation into it when it comes to the snapdragon, only Samsung know. But it does stand as a curious discrepancy.

The blame however can certainly not be a laid at Google, or singled out to Qualcomm otherwise both the Samsung exynos variants and other snapdragon 820 handsets would suffer exactly the same issue, which they simply do not.
 
Isn't the real world speed what it is though, regardless of what the phone needs to do to open the games? Or are you saying those are things that can be disabled?

Disable WiFi ? That should shorten the Google Play games hang.
 
Gifted my 64GB iPhone 6S Plus to my sister and pre-ordered the Note 7 in black. I don't usually buy black handsets, but this colour definitely looked the best out of all colours (we don't have the blue model in Australia). I have had second thoughts about switching to Samsung again, but I think I'll stick with the Note 7 for now.

I am in Australia and the price was $1349 AUD with the 256GB memory card for pre-ordering. Hoping to sell the memory card since I have no use for it. I don't think it will arrive on 19th August (order says 'ships 19/08/2016'), but hoping it arrives the following Monday.
 
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