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nickchallis92

macrumors 6502a
Mar 4, 2012
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London
If you find the feature isn't useful for you, just turn it off in the settings menu. Not difficult

I'd rather it be there than not, providing there is a menu. Why can't some of you understand that there's no gun to your head and you can turn things off? It's like the flash argument all over again
 
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Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
3,531
261
Kirkland
Most websites right now do not have this responsive design for different display sizes and types, and it remains unclear how many will adopt it, so it doesn't apply in most cases now. I know that some online website publishing sites (like Squarespace.com) do use it on the back end, but they're the exception, not the rule.

And, about your confusing posts, you said this "But still, its not just about pixels or watching movies. 1080 will still give you more viewing area in the web browser and maps etc so its not pointless."

Then, you said this in a later post "For escape the Galaxy S3 has a 4.8 inch screen with a resolution of 1280x720. My nexus 4 has a 4.6 inch screen with a resolution of 1280x768, because my phone has more pixels on the width it can fit 5x5 apps on a screen on the app drawer, the S3 can only fit 5x4. Screen size only affects how big everything is, not how much you see."

This shows you clearly don't understand how pixel density and vision work. Apple (and everyone else making high pixel-density screens) are giving us screens that have pixels that cannot be distinguished by the vast majority of viewers. After this saturation point has been reached, there is no detail or smoothness to be had or gained by going from 1280 x 768 to 1930 x 1080! Physics man, physics.

No matter how much you want it to be so, it isn't.

Do you read what you type? Or do you find that you drift in and out? Any website will display more, the more pixels you have in your display. Screen size is independent of screen resolution.

From what I gather, with your logic if you had a 25 inch monitor with a resolution of 2560x1600 and a 27 inch monitor with a 1920x1080 resolution, the 27 inch would show more content because the screen is bigger, that isn't how resolution works. Open a web browser and go full screen in both, the 25 inch monitor would show more of the website because it has more pixels. The text and images would be smaller but there would be more there. You're simply wrong. I can't put this any simpler but you're just denying it.
 

Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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Do you read what you type? Or do you find that you drift in and out? Any website will display more, the more pixels you have in your display. Screen size is independent of screen resolution.

From what I gather, with your logic if you had a 25 inch monitor with a resolution of 2560x1600 and a 27 inch monitor with a 1920x1080 resolution, the 27 inch would show more content because the screen is bigger, that isn't how resolution works. Open a web browser and go full screen in both, the 25 inch monitor would show more of the website because it has more pixels. The text and images would be smaller but there would be more there. You're simply wrong. I can't put this any simpler but you're just denying it.

No, what I'm denying is that most people can see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a phone screen!
 

Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
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No, what I'm denying is that most people can see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a phone screen!

I never denied that some people wont be able to tell the difference, you said 1080p is pointless so I pointed out other things 1080p will allow a phone to show that isn't merely a crisper UI.
 

Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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I never denied that some people wont be able to tell the difference, you said 1080p is pointless so I pointed out other things 1080p will allow a phone to show that isn't merely a crisper UI.

We will see, although I don't expect you to release your grip on this fantasy, even when these phones are at hand.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
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We will see, although I don't expect you to release your grip on this fantasy, even when these phones are at hand.

Whether or not people can distinguish between pixels on a 720p from 1080p is vastly different from the fact that 1080p will pack up more stuff on the same screen (something you can test on your computer, change resolutions and see how much can you see). Why are you confusing both of them together?
 

Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
Whether or not people can distinguish between pixels on a 720p from 1080p is vastly different from the fact that 1080p will pack up more stuff on the same screen (something you can test on your computer, change resolutions and see how much can you see). Why are you confusing both of them together?

That's been my entire point all along.....

You claimed a higher resolution wouldn't pack more on the screen and only a bigger screen would..
 

Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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859
Whether or not people can distinguish between pixels on a 720p from 1080p is vastly different from the fact that 1080p will pack up more stuff on the same screen (something you can test on your computer, change resolutions and see how much can you see). Why are you confusing both of them together?

I'm not. My point has remained the same.

He introduced a deflection, rather clumsily after I provided evidence that 1080p on a phone screen wouldn't result in a visibly more detailed image, that it didn't matter at all because you'll be able to pack more in a higher resolution screen.

That was his red herring, not my conflation.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
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I'm not. My point has remained the same.

He introduced a deflection, rather clumsily after I provided evidence that 1080p on a phone screen wouldn't result in a visibly more detailed image, that it didn't matter at all because you'll be able to pack more in a higher resolution screen.

That was his red herring, not my conflation.

AH ok carry on then.
 

Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
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Kirkland
I'm not. My point has remained the same.

He introduced a deflection, rather clumsily after I provided evidence that 1080p on a phone screen wouldn't result in a visibly more detailed image, that it didn't matter at all because you'll be able to pack more in a higher resolution screen.

That was his red herring, not my conflation.

Did you not read what I said, I also said it would benefit Web browsing etc. Here is a Web Browser fullscreened on 2 Desktops, one is 1920x1080, the other is 1280x768. Notice how the higher resolution desktop is displaying more? Something you said Websites wouldn't do. The same will happen on 1080p phones, they'll be able to show more of the website, smaller text will be crisper and you might not have to zoom in to read it. And 1080p on a Phone Screen will result in a crisper image, even if your eye can't distinguish it, other people can, it is still crisper. I for one can distinguish pixels on my phone currently because I often hold it closer than Apple's designated "Retina" viewing distance. You claimed "95% of people can't tell the difference" yet can't provide sources to back this up.

It'll especially benefit phones like the Note 2 where the PPI falls below 300PPI and fails to class as Retina. It is not "a fantasy I have a grip on" It's fact.
 

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Irishman

macrumors 68040
Nov 2, 2006
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Did you not read what I said, I also said it would benefit Web browsing etc. Here is a Web Browser fullscreened on 2 Desktops, one is 1920x1080, the other is 1280x768. Notice how the higher resolution desktop is displaying more? Something you said Websites wouldn't do. The same will happen on 1080p phones, they'll be able to show more of the website, smaller text will be crisper and you might not have to zoom in to read it. And 1080p on a Phone Screen will result in a crisper image, even if your eye can't distinguish it, other people can, it is still crisper. I for one can distinguish pixels on my phone currently because I often hold it closer than Apple's designated "Retina" viewing distance. You claimed "95% of people can't tell the difference" yet can't provide sources to back this up.

It'll especially benefit phones like the Note 2 where the PPI falls below 300PPI and fails to class as Retina. It is not "a fantasy I have a grip on" It's fact.

Sure, the one on the left is showing more - more white empty bars on each side. Notice how the text on the right image is more legible without zooming in? Why is that?

It's not my fault you cannot read the THX and SMPTE links and make a good faith effort to learn from the facts presented therein. I guess the old saying is just as true today - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

I honestly don't believe you can see individual pixels as you've claimed. I think your whole assertion hinges on being given a pass on it because this is an internet forum and we can't check your vision as I've said earlier, but I'm sorry. I don't. And I don't think for a moment I'm the only one who thinks you might be tricking yourself into thinking you do.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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2,156
Do you read what you type? Or do you find that you drift in and out? Any website will display more, the more pixels you have in your display. Screen size is independent of screen resolution.

From what I gather, with your logic if you had a 25 inch monitor with a resolution of 2560x1600 and a 27 inch monitor with a 1920x1080 resolution, the 27 inch would show more content because the screen is bigger, that isn't how resolution works. Open a web browser and go full screen in both, the 25 inch monitor would show more of the website because it has more pixels. The text and images would be smaller but there would be more there. You're simply wrong. I can't put this any simpler but you're just denying it.

So are you saying you'll see more of a webpage on a iPad 3 vs an iPad 2 because it has more pixels? Or are you talking strictly monitors?

I have a Xoom (1280x800) sitting next to a Nexus 10 (2560x1600) and webpages show exactly the same amount of content in both.

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you.....
 

Dr McKay

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2010
3,531
261
Kirkland
So are you saying you'll see more of a webpage on a iPad 3 vs an iPad 2 because it has more pixels? Or are you talking strictly monitors?

I have a Xoom (1280x800) sitting next to a Nexus 10 (2560x1600) and webpages show exactly the same amount of content in both.

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you.....

Because the Nexus 10 uses pixel doubling like the iPad I don't think it would, I compared things like my friends GS3, my Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 and my old iPhone 5 phones that have differing resolutions but not high enough to use pixel doubling. These devices showed different amounts of website to each other because they had slightly different resolutions.

The 1080p screen isn't high enough to use pixel doubling over 720p so it should offer more viewing space on web browsers.
 

Sedrick

macrumors 68030
Nov 10, 2010
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26
Another tick that would be mind blowing if Apple implemented it, yet is "meaningless" when the competition thinks of it.

This is exactly what I was thinking as I read down the thread. If it was on the front page that Apple had just been awarded a patent for this, these boys would be shouting it's praise from the mountain tops.

They're so obvious, it isn't even funny anymore. Ah well, let them go stand in line for their iWatches.
 

Zaft

macrumors 601
Jun 16, 2009
4,570
4,049
Brooklyn, NY
This is exactly what I was thinking as I read down the thread. If it was on the front page that Apple had just been awarded a patent for this, these boys would be shouting it's praise from the mountain tops.

They're so obvious, it isn't even funny anymore. Ah well, let them go stand in line for their iWatches.

thats with all fanboys. :rolleyes: even samsung fanboys. or xbox or ps3.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
This is exactly what I was thinking as I read down the thread. If it was on the front page that Apple had just been awarded a patent for this, these boys would be shouting it's praise from the mountain tops.

They're so obvious, it isn't even funny anymore. Ah well, let them go stand in line for their iWatches.

Nice try, but wrong....

Apple wouldn't go for something like this because its a useless gimmick with no added value save that it sounds cool and will likely sell some phones on the hype...

If Apple were to implement something like this, as a person who prefer iOS devices, I would have to seriously question why they felt the need to follow Samsung's "throw it at the wall and see if it sticks" approach as opposed to sticking with their guns a keeping things secure and efficient.

But keep trolling with that nonsense....its hilarious.
 

1member1

macrumors 6502
Sep 8, 2012
383
0
Seriously Samsung or Apple this option is stupid and not necessary for daily use. at least not for me.

I may eat my own words one day but I still don't believe it's more than a gimmick to sell more.
 

torana355

macrumors 68040
Dec 8, 2009
3,633
2,734
Sydney, Australia
Nice try, but wrong....

Apple wouldn't go for something like this because its a useless gimmick with no added value save that it sounds cool and will likely sell some phones on the hype...

So you have used a phone with this technology and are qualified to comment on how useful it is??? :rolleyes:
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Nice try, but wrong....

Apple wouldn't go for something like this because its a useless gimmick with no added value save that it sounds cool and will likely sell some phones on the hype...

If Apple were to implement something like this, as a person who prefer iOS devices, I would have to seriously question why they felt the need to follow Samsung's "throw it at the wall and see if it sticks" approach as opposed to sticking with their guns a keeping things secure and efficient.

But keep trolling with that nonsense....its hilarious.

While I don't agree with the post you are quoting either I'd hardly say any of us are qualified to call it a gimmick yet.

If someone asked me "What would be more useful to you? A potentially better scrolling option, a way to organize your electronic boarding passes, a dedicated newsstand, a compass, etc etc etc."

My obvious answer would be a better way to scroll since that's something we all do constantly. To ME the rest are useless gimmicks that I have a dedicated "junk" folder they are in (except newsstand obviously).
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
While I don't agree with the post you are quoting either I'd hardly say any of us are qualified to call it a gimmick yet.

If someone asked me "What would be more useful to you? A potentially better scrolling option, a way to organize your electronic boarding passes, a dedicated newsstand, a compass, etc etc etc."

My obvious answer would be a better way to scroll since that's something we all do constantly. To ME the rest are useless gimmicks that I have a dedicated "junk" folder they are in (except newsstand obviously).

You think eye scrolling is more useful than Passbook? :eek:
 
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