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jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Haha, I really had to read twice, if it's really you making such statement. ;)

I think, in my defenses of Apple, people mistake a hatred for Android where none exists. Mainly my posts seem skewed toward defense of iOS because generally I tend to respond to posts I feel are making uneven arguments.

I then feel the need to create and present the counter argument so all views can be shared.

It is true, I have had a distaste for Samsung, mainly stemming from their advertising campaigns (though they have gotten better of late) and the fact that many of their practices and fans seem to have become the very thing they sought out to destroy/belittle (Apple's practices/fans). Just all seems very hypocritical. And to be perfectly honest, I am drawn to the Galaxy S line (I'm seriously thinking my next Android - in 2014 - will be the next Galaxy *S5*)

My personal beliefs - I like iOS and Android. If forced to make the choice, I'd take iOS due to my use of Macs (an iMac and a Macbook Air) and my familiarity with the platform (though I've grown very familiar with Android over the last year as well). Both offer strengths and both have weaknesses. To say one is a nightmare to use would be that person's opinion and people professing such as a fact really get under my skin.

Ultimately, I look forward to ALL new releases each year. I've already got my 2013 Android phone (HTC One) and I'm looking forward to the 2013 iPhone release. My smartphone use case has remained largely the same as I've transitioned my personal use from iPhone to Android phone which leads me to the conclusion these smartphone wars are idiotic.

One's preferences and use case will dictate what phone works best for that person. No spec sheet or feature set alone will do the trick - and simply comparing such metrics doesn't begin to answer the question: What smartphone is best for me? And that's ultimately, the only question that matters.

**(until such a time as smartphones and services begin to lag in usefulness - which I can tell you, "even with an iPhone" is NOT the case)**
 

Fireblade

macrumors 65816
Jan 25, 2011
1,101
321
Italy
I think, in my defenses of Apple, people mistake a hatred for Android where none exists. Mainly my posts seem skewed toward defense of iOS because generally I tend to respond to posts I feel are making uneven arguments.

I then feel the need to create and present the counter argument so all views can be shared.

It is true, I have had a distaste for Samsung, mainly stemming from their advertising campaigns (though they have gotten better of late) and the fact that many of their practices and fans seem to have become the very thing they sought out to destroy/belittle (Apple's practices/fans). Just all seems very hypocritical. And to be perfectly honest, I am drawn to the Galaxy S line (I'm seriously thinking my next Android - in 2014 - will be the next Galaxy *S5*)

My personal beliefs - I like iOS and Android. If forced to make the choice, I'd take iOS due to my use of Macs (an iMac and a Macbook Air) and my familiarity with the platform (though I've grown very familiar with Android over the last year as well). Both offer strengths and both have weaknesses. To say one is a nightmare to use would be that person's opinion and people professing such as a fact really get under my skin.

Ultimately, I look forward to ALL new releases each year. I've already got my 2013 Android phone (HTC One) and I'm looking forward to the 2013 iPhone release. My smartphone use case has remained largely the same as I've transitioned my personal use from iPhone to Android phone which leads me to the conclusion these smartphone wars are idiotic.

One's preferences and use case will dictate what phone works best for that person. No spec sheet or feature set alone will do the trick - and simply comparing such metrics doesn't begin to answer the question: What smartphone is best for me? And that's ultimately, the only question that matters.

**(until such a time as smartphones and services begin to lag in usefulness - which I can tell you, "even with an iPhone" is NOT the case)**

Nice write, changes the way I look at you somehow :thumbup:
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
Nice write, changes the way I look at you somehow :thumbup:

Thanks! I do honestly think many here have the wrong impression of me - whether its because they have been misled by other members or simply because they don't like that my logic generally puts them out.

In Onthecouchagain's case, we just like to bicker haha....generally because he's always very literal and I tend to counter inferences I feel he's making when that may or may not be the case. In those instances, I have been known to get a little hot under the collar.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
It's a shame I was given the fanboy accusation after a couple of posts. That term is way over used and almost seems to be an automatic response if you appear to differ with your opinions in slight favour of Apple. I'm also waiting for all these iFans to arrive who bang on about plastic only being great now Apple are using it. A case of a stereotype creeping into what should be a logical discussion. :)
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
I think, in my defenses of Apple, people mistake a hatred for Android where none exists. Mainly my posts seem skewed toward defense of iOS because generally I tend to respond to posts I feel are making uneven arguments.

Yeah trust me I know how this feels big time. I likewise will tend to always post contrary to statements/posts that are blatantly skewed even if I haven't a strong opinion about the product or story, and in the process I've been accused of being everything on here from an Apple apologist, both a Samsung hater and a Samsung lover, HTC fanboy, Microsoft's poster child because i'm an M.V.P (despite being an M.V.P for Macintosh - further Irony), Sony fanboy, Xbot and even was once called Nintendo's Bitch... you get the point.

Some folks just like technology and gadgets - and don't particularly give a poop which supplier is giving them their technology junkie fix, nor do they believe in brand loyalty in the slightest. No company is going to show us loyalty for buying their products - so why some consumers show loyalty to brand A, B or C just seems totally alien to me.....

I buy stuff because I am naturally curious to see what is different.. Hence I spend way too much $$ each year on gadgets and technology.. (seriously at times I need an intervention) and by the end of the year I still have a new iPad mini, a PS4 and 2013 Mac Pro & Cintiq 13HD to find the cash for, will get an iPhone 5S (simply because I can get it from my carrier) and god only knows what else :)
 

OrangeInc

macrumors regular
Jul 31, 2013
110
30
Most who don't like cheap plastic cases cover their premium phones with a cheap plastic case anyway.

I like how my GS3 feels. It's lightweight, slim and powerful. To each their own I guess.
 

Michael Goff

Suspended
Jul 5, 2012
13,329
7,422
CHEAP PLASTIC is why my Galaxy Nexus has bee3n dropped a few times and only has some scratches on the back as opposed to my iPad that was dropped once and you'd think I'd have thrown it at the ground or something. Still works, but let's not spread this myth that metal automatically makes everything better.

You're just going to cover up your iPhone with a plastic case anyway ...
 

g35

macrumors 6502a
Dec 13, 2007
667
151
It's nice to hold an expensive device and know that some money went into the materials, to feel a nice heavy solid feeling thing in your hand. But my iPhone 5 is poorly-designed.

It's like they gave zero thought to the ergonomics of the thing and just designed it on a computer, made a billion of them and said Here you go! without holding one first.

Nexus 4 strikes a nice balance between materials and ergonomics, not that the 2 are mutually exclusive. Glass and rubber.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
Is that right?

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The ATIV S is not actually metal though is it? As far as I've read, its plastic with a mock brushed aluminium style finish. It looks metal, but its still plastic. So you didn't really prove any contrary point ;)

Flip the ATIV S over and there are unexpected delights in the finish and materials used by Samsung. The Galaxy S III had a gloss plastic that never really convinced in terms of quality - the ATIV S has, in principle, the same plastic rear, but the finish chosen is the most incredibly realistic faux-brushed stainless steel
 
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ReanimationN

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2011
724
0
Australia
The ATIV S is not actually metal though is it? As far as I've read, its plastic with a mock brushed aluminium style finish. It looks metal, but its still plastic. So you didn't really prove any contrary point ;)

Wow, you're right. All the impressions I read when it was first announced all said it was made of actual metal. My mistake- my apologies couchy!
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
I've owned a GS4 for 3 days.

The plastic is not an issue to me, even coming from the iPhone 5.

In fact, first thing I did was throw a Zagg Ultra Lean case on the GS4 which feels like the same slick cheapish plastic so it doesn't feel like a case exactly, and the faux metal band is still visible.

The case already has visible scratch, and I'm glad it's on the case and not on my phone...

So yes, I do cover cheap plastic with cheap plastic...I still think the GS4 looks and feels better than the HTC One, plastic or not.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
I can't see why its a bonus to be able to remove the back of a phone in any case? The only reason I've ever needed to take the back cover off a phone was to either clean the dust out of it or to change a sim card. I don't keep phones for more than 2 years so changing batteries has never been a problem. If it is in the future then I will get the phone repaired under warranty.

This function argument seems slightly weak as a company like Apple hardly designs products without much thought. You can't remove the back plate on an iPhone for the simple reason being, you don't need to.

Swapping a battery is an important function to some. You can find remote ways of charging most batteries. Yet the best route is usually swapping out the actual battery. Devices and tools that are important to keep working have replaceable batteries, camera for a photographer, tools for construction workers, mobile medical equipment (diabetic pump), all equipment for police/fire/rescue.

My mobile devices are the only devices I have that don't have a replaceable battery and they can at times control my life. I'm one of those people that are sitting on an airport floor near an outlet charging my iPhone because the alternatives aren't very good. The best alternative is to just not use my phone as much.

Huge charging case and remote chargers aren't very good options for everyone. I use a lifeproof case so mophie is out and carrying wires and batteries through airport security is a hassle.

Btw you know you are defending "solutions" right? That means there is a problem to begin with.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
17,317
25,469
Wales, United Kingdom
Swapping a battery is an important function to some. You can find remote ways of charging most batteries. Yet the best route is usually swapping out the actual battery. Devices and tools that are important to keep working have replaceable batteries, camera for a photographer, tools for construction workers, mobile medical equipment (diabetic pump), all equipment for police/fire/rescue.

My mobile devices are the only devices I have that don't have a replaceable battery and they can at times control my life. I'm one of those people that are sitting on an airport floor near an outlet charging my iPhone because the alternatives aren't very good. The best alternative is to just not use my phone as much.

Huge charging case and remote chargers aren't very good options for everyone. I use a lifeproof case so mophie is out and carrying wires and batteries through airport security is a hassle.

Btw you know you are defending "solutions" right? That means there is a problem to begin with.
I don't doubt some people need to change a battery. I've never needed to and don't personally know anybody who carries extra batteries for their smart phones.

One reason I can think of as to why Apple don't allow access to the battery is their warranty. They have strict return rules and check any device that is returned. I found this out the other day when my iPhone stopped recognising the sim card. I took it into Apple and they checked it over before giving me a new phone as a replacement. If they allowed people to use third party batteries, I think this opens up a problem especially if hardware is damaged. This is also a reason I never want to see the iPhone allowing users access to the filing system. I think tampering with devices on certain levels creates problems. I know on here its more enthusiasts who love this sort of thing, but personally I don't know anyone who uses mobile phones the way in which some of you demand on here. I can only really form opinions on personal experiences really.

As I've previously said though, the battery life on my phone is very good and I've never thought that I could do with another battery. If you guys have different needs, then fair enough. Its not a criticism as far as I am concerned. :)
 

kasakka

macrumors 68020
Oct 25, 2008
2,389
1,083
One reason I can think of as to why Apple don't allow access to the battery is their warranty. They have strict return rules and check any device that is returned. I found this out the other day when my iPhone stopped recognising the sim card. I took it into Apple and they checked it over before giving me a new phone as a replacement. If they allowed people to use third party batteries, I think this opens up a problem especially if hardware is damaged. This is also a reason I never want to see the iPhone allowing users access to the filing system. I think tampering with devices on certain levels creates problems. I know on here its more enthusiasts who love this sort of thing, but personally I don't know anyone who uses mobile phones the way in which some of you demand on here. I can only really form opinions on personal experiences really.

The battery compartment can be easily built so that all other components are not accessible. The iPhone could easily have a removable back cover that does not expose all the components, just needs some plastic in between like the GS4.

As for the file system, it could be easily done so that there is just the user space file system with no access to anything but your own files. Now there isn't one so using any file is just hell on iOS as they tend to be tied to apps.
 
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