Galaxy S5 sold 40 percent fewer units than Samsung predicted: WSJ

[pdqgp]

If I happened to purchase one of the Samsung devices that won't be updated because of lack of profits, then yes, I am a little worried that it won't be fully supported.

that's hasn't been the case in the past. even their plasma's received firmware updates after they exited the market. my old 2007 blueray still gets firmware updates too.

 

[jamezr]

That was in the response to the notion that the market has reached flagship saturation.

Which I don't think is true for Apple or Android or Windows

I think there is plenty of room for a breakout and breakthrough android flagship device. Just takes the right company and right set of features, which isn't really happening right now. For me things are in a lull.

QHD, 64 bit, 6" screens and 4gb of ram isn't enough either. That's just checking the boxes. Something bigger needs to happen. A phenomena like the iPhone, but running a super well featured, well polished android phone that is also a high end lifestyle product.

I agree with just everything you said. I would also point out that the iphone 6 is a huge upgrade from the iphone 5s. The market was demanding a larger screen iPhone and Apple delivered. Android OEMs can't just make it all about specs. They need to take a cue from Apple and do a better job of blending software and hardware.

 

[pdqgp]

There is really no incentive to upgrade a flagship samsung device from last year to this year.heck we have 3 upgrades on our account and no one wanted to use one because they were happy with there phones.

exactly. I don't see any reason to upgrade a Note 3. However as a 5s owner, there are plenty of reasons to upgrade.

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So the fact that android, which has a model like Windows, sells more is not unexpected one bit.

and just the same Hits like Samsung is taking when they are in a pool with some heavy competition while Apple floats alone in theirs are not unexpected either. Just like the PC market, they will survive and be fine.

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The real problem with Samsung is that they build their products with too much future proofing. Their products are designed so that they're still competive and useful for three to four years whereas the competition designs for obsolescence so you have to replace them every year and the OS upgrade purposely enforces this.

^^ definitely true. I have friends at work with S4's that really see no need to upgrade. The OS and the phones are running just fine together on the latest updates. Like the PC Market, there's no real need to upgrade as often.

 

[Truefan31]

The real problem with Samsung is that they build their products with too much future proofing. Their products are designed so that they're still competive and useful for three to four years whereas the competition designs for obsolescence so you have to replace them every year and the OS upgrade purposely enforces this. Take for example the 2012 Note II from 2 years ago that has 2GB DRAM vs the iPhone that continues to be DRAM deficient in 2014 with 1GB even with known browser reload issues and premature background app closure causing data loss. Samsung's business approach is to build industry leading technology (AMOLED) and specs (DRAM) but rely on market growth versus Apple that builds relatively low end LCD and low DRAM to increase profit and rely on loyalty of smaller market share to drive annual upgrade sales. Now you have companies like Xiaomi, Opo/OnePlus, Huawei, etc. that matches Samsung's specs but not necessarily technology and are successful at grabbing market share in the middle ground between Samsung and Apple. One thing that sets Samsung apart though which will help their ability to weather the storm is that they're self sustaining having their own fab and manufacturing their own core components from SoC to display, flash memory, DRAM, baseband, camera sensor, etc. Qualcomm and Apple switching manufacturing of their SoC to Samsung from TSMC just shows how good their quality is.

Lol boy u just can't help yourself with your 2012 note again huh? So I guess Samsung is messing up then not selling tons and tons of notes. They don't even realize it's free advertising every time they shoot a commercial bashing Apple lol.

 

[FFR]

Galaxy S5 sold 40 percent fewer units than Samsung predicted: WSJ

I clearly remember reading samsung selling 11 or 12 million Galaxy S5s way back in may.are you saying they didn't sell any more phones



Samsung sold 11 million gs5s it's first month



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http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-weve-sold-11m-galaxy-s5-since-launch/

So you added 7 million just cause?

The industry is, and that's what this thread is about.

 

[mi7chy]

Lol boy u just can't help yourself with your 2012 note again huh? So I guess Samsung is messing up then not selling tons and tons of notes. They don't even realize it's free advertising every time they shoot a commercial bashing Apple lol.

I'm sure you can set aside your fanboyism for one moment and accept the fact that Samsung is setting the standard for the whole industry with DRAM. They were first in 2012 with 2GB DRAM then the industry followed in 2013. Then, again they drove 3GB DRAM first in 2013 and now 3GB is common in many 2014 devices. Samsung even finally got Apple on board with 2012 2GB DRAM standard in 2014. I also see the the industry adopting OLED that Samsung first started in 2010. It's about time LCD and all its inherent defects die off like CRT. There's also the precision pen for promoting paperless.

 

[I7guy]

exactly. I don't see any reason to upgrade a Note 3. However as a 5s owner, there are plenty of reasons to upgrade.

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and just the same Hits like Samsung is taking when they are in a pool with some heavy competition while Apple floats alone in theirs are not unexpected either. Just like the PC market, they will survive and be fine.

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^^ definitely true. I have friends at work with S4's that really see no need to upgrade. The OS and the phones are running just fine together on the latest updates. Like the PC Market, there's no real need to upgrade as often.

As a 5s owner I personally don't have an incentive to upgrade to the 6 or 6+. I probably will upgrade to some variation of the 6s, because I can. I'm not interested in Apple pay as the major feature upgrade.

 

[Truefan31]

I'm sure you can set aside your fanboyism for one moment and accept the fact that Samsung is setting the standard for the whole industry with DRAM. They were first in 2012 with 2GB DRAM then the industry followed in 2013. Then, again they drove 3GB DRAM first in 2013 and now 3GB is common in many 2014 devices. Samsung even finally got Apple on board with 2012 2GB DRAM standard in 2014. I also see the the industry adopting OLED that Samsung first started in 2010. It's about time LCD and all its inherent defects die off like CRT.

I'm not a fanboy. You saying the 6 plus is no better than your 2012 note and that Apple sells low-mid devices, that Apple isn't a software company because u keep pointing out safari bugs (does Samsung even make an os like OS X or iOS? No they do a skin over android) shows your bias.

 

[mercuryjones]

I'm sure you can set aside your fanboyism for one moment and accept the fact that Samsung is setting the standard for the whole industry with DRAM. They were first in 2012 with 2GB DRAM then the industry followed in 2013. Then, again they drove 3GB DRAM first in 2013 and now 3GB is common in many 2014 devices. Samsung even finally got Apple on board with 2012 2GB DRAM standard in 2014. I also see the the industry adopting OLED that Samsung first started in 2010. It's about time LCD and all its inherent defects die off like CRT. There's also the precision pen for promoting paperless.

Maybe he can set it aside. Can you? Because at this point, you are knee deep in it.

 

[mi7chy]

I'm not a fanboy. You saying the 6 plus is no better than your 2012 note and that Apple sells low-mid devices, that Apple isn't a software company because u keep pointing out safari bugs (does Samsung even make an os like OS X or iOS? No they do a skin over android) shows your bias.

What do you think Mac OS X is? It's a GUI skin over open source Berkeley Unix. At least Samsung's skin does split screen multitasking since 2012 that iOS is still figuring out how to add and when they do it'll only work on Air 2 since other devices were designed for obsolescence with DRAM starvation. Difference is I'm brand agnostic and use the best. Even though I work with mostly Cisco gear I feel Juniper, Riverbed, Palo Alto, etc. are better in certain areas and even though I use Apple since like 80's other devices are better today.

 

[Truefan31]

Galaxy S5 sold 40 percent fewer units than Samsung predicted: WSJ

What do you think Mac OS X is? It's a GUI skin over open source Berkeley Unix. At least Samsung's skin does split screen multitasking since 2012 that iOS is still figuring out how to add and when they do it'll only work on Air 2 since other devices were designed for obsolescence with DRAM starvation. Difference is I'm brand agnostic and use the best. Even though I work with mostly Cisco gear I feel Juniper, Riverbed, Palo Alto, etc. are better in certain areas and even though I use Apple since like 80's other devices are better today.

So OS X/iOS is no different than touch wiz? That's your opinion huh. Yeah I don't see bias at all. Can't wait to see a Samsung touch wiz computer or laptop then.

 

[mi7chy]

So OS X/iOS is no different than touch wiz? That's your opinion huh. Yeah I don't see bias at all. Can't wait to see a Samsung touch wiz computer or laptop then.

Is your fnboyism denying even what Apple claims?

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25633?viewlocale=en_US

 

[Truefan31]

Is your fnboyism denying even what Apple claims?



http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25633?viewlocale=en_US

Lol ok I guess OS X and iOS aren't OS to u. Are there really others that agree with you on this? Anyone else in this thread think touch wiz is the same as OS X and iOS? That Apple isn't a software company? There's no sense beating a dead horse.

So if Samsung is so much better than Apple why do they spend so much advertising comparing themselves to Apple? Surly they wouldn't recognize such a lowly company who only does low-mid devices and no software.

 

[I7guy]

Is your fnboyism denying even what Apple claims?

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA25633?viewlocale=en_US

So Microsoft, Red Hat and others aren't software companies either, because they didn't originally develop the software that they now sell and support? Windows after all is just a skin over MSDOS.

A rather shallow argument at best.

 

[mercuryjones]

So Microsoft, Red Hat and others aren't software companies either, because they didn't originally develop the software that they now sell and support? Windows after all is just a skin over MSDOS.

A rather shallow argument at best.

He's reaching far, trying to belittle Apple without actually belting Apple, since he's software and hardware agnostic with no bias at all. /s
As for Apple devices, he probably has a Mac Mini stuck in the corner somewhere at work, and that's his idea of "supporting" Macs in IT.

 

[jamezr]

He's reaching far, trying to belittle Apple without actually belting Apple, since he's software and hardware agnostic with no bias at all. /s
As for Apple devices, he probably has a Mac Mini stuck in the corner somewhere at work, and that's his idea of "supporting" Macs in IT.

Welllll.....thats more Mac experience than you have Android experience now isn't it?

 

[Oletros]

(does Samsung even make an os like OS X or iOS? No they do a skin over android) shows your bias.

WTF?

What do you think Mac OS X is? It's a GUI skin over open source Berkeley Unix.

WTF?

Windows after all is just a skin over MSDOS.

WTF?

The amount of nonsense in this thread is very high

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
This thread seems to be off the rails. Closing