Galaxy S6

[jrswizzle]

I want to go ahead and say, that as I am a WELL-KNOWN Samsung hater (at least many of you think so), I CALLED that Exynos would be a GREAT move for Samsung because it gives them tighter control over more hardware and allows for greater efficiency to be built in.

At this point, Apple and Samsung are CLEARLY the two big dogs. Both have custom chip designs that blow the rest of the industry out of the water. It remains to be seen whether or not Qualcomm and Intel can improve their offerings, but I say more power to Apple and Samsung.

There is a distinct advantage in being able to tailor your processor specifically to your device. I'm hopeful (and at least benchmarks show) the S6/Edge show much better memory and performance efficiency.

Kudos to Samsung!

 

[MRU]

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http://www.androidheadlines.com/page/2


http://www.droid-life.com/2015/03/0...ynos-processor-over-qualcomms-snapdragon-810/


Less than a month ago, the Samsung HATERS came out in full force on GSM Arena by saying Samsung made a bad decision not using Qualcomm for their so-called crappy Exynos! Heck, even I was praising anything Qualcomm was doing esp compared to the other SoC makers out there.

What basically happened is Qualcomm became a fat cat. Lazy. Complacent. They saw their biggest rival in marketshare was from Taiwanese maker, MediaTek. Not Nvidia or Intel. Qualcomm felt they had a strangle hold on flagships and most of the Western markets while letting MediaTek go dominate in the cheaper markets in Asia. Now look. Samsung had more foresight and consideration with their SoC when it comes to performance and efficiency and now other OEM's relying on Qualcomm this year might look to suffer. Perfect case of Samsung saying, "I TOLD YA SO!"

On my Mi 3, I have the Snapdragon 800 AB. Qualcomm released like three variants of the 800, but one was renamed for the 801 variants. The AB chip has the GPU clocked higher at 550 MHz than 450 MHz found on the LG G2 and Nexus 5. It had near equal performance to the Sony Xperia Z2 with the slower 801 variant. Went I went from Snapdragon 600 to Snapdragon 800 AB, it was like night & day in battery efficiency and just faster and smoother opening esp games. Almost another generation forward.

This time, the disparity between 805 to 810 doesn't seem all that different. I feel Qualcomm didn't seem to care about overheat and battery efficiency. Just incremental upgrades over and over with different variants of generally the same SoC. Name them 805, 810, 815, etc and call it a day and collect their money.

Anything over 110 F or (44+ C) is approaching overheating problems with whatever material used.

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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Gala...s-everything-including-the-iPad-Air-2_id65823


You can't believe everything.


FLASHBACK - Note 3 Snapdragon 800 vs Note 3 Exynos 5420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9XbiHe91W0


^^ Only Gameloft games seems to suffer as they are better optimized for Qualcomm. I have Nokia Lumia 635 with only a 1.2 GHz quad Snapdragon 400 and 512 MB RAM and it plays Asphalt 8: Airborne extremely well for weaker hardware.

Exynos 5420 heated up more but better at most games and more battery efficiency since CPU was NOT higher clocked. Imagine the 2.1 GHz Exynos 7420 on the 14nm?

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-exynos-7420-closer-look-592117/

Qualcomm is now playing catchup before the battle in SoC even began...

Read this

http://semiaccurate.com/2015/03/02/behind-fake-qualcomm-snapdragon-810-overheating-rumors/

Seems like a lot of reports on the 810 may be fabricated to serve a marketing agenda .....

Basically wait till people actually get the devices before believing anything on face value as we are constantly being manipulated ....


That being said i have no issue whether it's exynos or Qualcomm as long as I get performance I expect. Chipset alone certainly isn't one of the things I worry about buying a flagship phone (as I know it's going to be top of the range, and I highly suspect 95% of regular consumers/buyers of the S6 will not be even thinking about exynos or snapdragon or likely even know there is a difference).

 

[epicrayban]

There's this:

http://www.androidcentral.com/goldg...atinum-variants-samsung-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge

: puke :

 

[mel823]

Good solid review. Happy to hear that the battery life is good.

And is that the gold platinum version in those pictures? God, it gets uglier and uglier.

I may indeed stick to white...

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Oh, thank goodness. Someone else that agrees with me about Sense. Sense is so beloved, but I don't really get it. Like I said, cosmetically and functionality-wise, it seems "heavier" skinned than TW.

I'm with you on the near-stock experience. I love Cyanogen on my OnePlus. It has just enough extra features to make it a little more fun and exciting and usable. In fact, from what I've seen of stock, it looks really lacking actually. It's so bare bones...

Never really looked into LG's skin...

I think that is the white one.

 

[epicrayban]

I think that is the white one.

No way. You think so? The pictures in that review? I think that's the gold platinum.

The white is pretty white, no?

 

[MRU]

No way. You think so? The pictures in that review? I think that's the gold platinum.

The white is pretty white, no?

Yeah I think it was the gold platinum one in the review.

 

[mel823]

No way. You think so? The pictures in that review? I think that's the gold platinum.

The white is pretty white, no?

Even with the platinum shimmer, the gold has always looked gold to me.

It could be the gold one, but I'm just going off the assumption that most of the review units will be the white one, maybe a black one here or there.

I guess the easiest way to find out would be to ask the reviewer.

Edit: After re-watching one of Erica's video, I guess that is the gold one. I still think it's pretty.

 

[spinedoc77]

I wonder why they don't make a gold face, why just a gold back? Maybe I'm alone in having that desire, but I dislike the two tone white front, gold back.

 

[Savor]

Samsung reveals its first 14nm FinFET test chip, should offer substantial power improvements in future silicon
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/21/samsung-first-14nm-finfet-test-chip-/ (Posted Dec 2012)

This was Samsung's plans over two years ago. If you google "Samsung 14nm 2013", alot of search results of them racing to 14nm.

Snapdragon 820 at late-2015? That means LG G4, Motorola Moto X, and Sony Xperia Z4 will have the more inefficient 20nm and possibly outdated 810 before they are even released? Only the next Nexus smartphone and Note 5 are major releases after the second half of a year and when they say second half 2015, that really means early 2016. By then, Samsung has moved into a smaller dye. This is what happens when one like Qualcomm becomes a fat cat after dominating for 3 straight years and have others rely on them too much. A true music artist writes their own songs and a true builder builds their OWN things for themselves. Samsung did that. No dependency. No tracing other people's work, patent them, and calling it yours...right *cough* ?

Yay to Apple with the same foresight. Samsung, can you give all the homework answers to Apple?

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/1...-samsung-for-14-nm-a9-chips-starting-in-2015/

Sunday July 14, 2013 7:24 pm PDT by Eric Slivka

The Korea Economic Daily reports that Apple and Samsung today officially signed an agreement that will see the two companies working together on future A-series chips for Apple's iOS devices, with the deal specifically covering A9 chips based on a 14-nanometer process node starting in 2015. The claim comes just weeks after Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (TSMC) confirmed a deal with Apple to begin producing A-series chips in 2014.

Samsung Electronics had supplied the AP [application processor] to Apple since 2007 but lost the contract to supply 20 nano AP A8 chips to Apple to Taiwan's TSMC last year when it was engaged in patent disputes with Apple. Samsung Electronics developed state-of-the-art 14 nano models ahead of its rival TSMC, regaining the order from Apple.

A previous report about Apple's agreement with TSMC had indicated that it was a three-year deal covering not only Apple's future A8 chip but also A9/A9X chips. The Wall Street Journal's report had indicated that Samsung would remain Apple's primary supplier through next year as TSMC began ramping up its production.

As a result, it is unclear whether today's deal will see both TSMC and Samsung producing A9 chips for Apple or if Apple has already shifted gears to return to Samsung as its primary supplier as part of its long-term roadmap.

Apple has reportedly been seeking to reduce its reliance on Samsung as a component supplier as the two companies have become fierce rivals in both the mobile marketplace and in the courtroom. The two companies have, however, continued working together in several areas, particularly where Samsung's competitors in the component market are unable to match its technology, production capacity, or pricing.

The shift to TSMC for production of the high-profile main chips for Apple's iOS devices had been viewed as breaking one of the most significant remaining ties between Apple and Samsung, but it appears that Samsung has been able to bring Apple back into the fold by leading the charge to 14-nm chips. With partnerships with both Samsung and TSMC, it appears that Apple should be well-positioned to take advantage of whichever company takes the lead in developing the latest technologies.

Late last week, it was reported that Apple had bought into a fab, perhaps with an eventual goal of producing its own chips for its mobile devices, although any such move is almost certainly years away given the need to ramp up expertise and facilities for such production.

 

[epicrayban]

Is there a review-embargo? When do you think we'll expect reviews? Day of release?

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BTW, does it matter that the phone is 64-bit? What's that even mean?

My iPhone 6 is 64-bit and till this day, I still have no idea why that's good.

Will the 64-bit on the S6 or on Android make any difference?

 

[jrswizzle]

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No dependency. No tracing other people's work, patent them, and calling it yours...right *cough* ?

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Yay to Apple with the same foresight. Samsung, can you give all the homework answers to Apple?

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Speaking specifically about processors, Apple's only dependence stems from the fact that they can't physically BUILD the processors themselves because they aren't and don't own a chip fab.

From the perspective of DESIGN, Apple's chips are 100% and have kept them ahead for the last few years (since they took over designing their own chips).

I'm glad to see Samsung has jumped on this bandwagon too because a chip designed in house is best served to maximize efficiency for your devices. It should help Samsung devices reach new heights as the bloat is stripped away and the system becomes more unified and cohesive.

Exynos and Apple's A-Series chips are becoming (have already become) the cream of the crop. Hence why these two companies have created a massive gap between them and the competition. All other Android devices utilizing the same Qualcomm and MediaTek chips have to rely on designs that aren't made specifically for their devices. And it would seem, perhaps, these said designs overall aren't all that fantastic anymore.

 

[skratch77]

Speaking specifically about processors, Apple's only dependence stems from the fact that they can't physically BUILD the processors themselves because they aren't and don't own a chip fab.

From the perspective of DESIGN, Apple's chips are 100% and have kept them ahead for the last few years (since they took over designing their own chips).

I'm glad to see Samsung has jumped on this bandwagon too because a chip designed in house is best served to maximize efficiency for your devices. It should help Samsung devices reach new heights as the bloat is stripped away and the system becomes more unified and cohesive.

Exynos and Apple's A-Series chips are becoming (have already become) the cream of the crop. Hence why these two companies have created a massive gap between them and the competition. All other Android devices utilizing the same Qualcomm and MediaTek chips have to rely on designs that aren't made specifically for their devices. And it would seem, perhaps, these said designs overall aren't all that fantastic anymore.

Dude the exynos 7 in the galaxy s6 is pure arm reference design even down to the GPUs used.

Its the same exact CPU in the snapdragon 810 and anyone can use the same exact CPUs and GPUs if they wanted to.

Now on a node process that is a different story.Samsung is on another level and almost 2 years a head of the comp when it comes down to that

 

[jrswizzle]

Dude the exynos 7 in the galaxy s6 is pure arm reference design even down to the GPUs used.

Its the same exact CPU in the snapdragon 810 and anyone can use the same exact CPUs and GPUs if they wanted to.

Now on a node process that is a different story.Samsung is on another level and almost 2 years a head of the comp when it comes down to that

I did not know that. I thought Exynos was more customized than that....interesting.

 

[Tig Bitties]

I really wish the GPE series direct from Google was still going for new flagships.

This new S6 running a officially supported stock Android 5.1 would be off the charts awesome.

 

[gotluck]

I really wish the GPE series direct from Google was still going for new flagships.

This new S6 running a officially supported stock Android 5.1 would be off the charts awesome.

samsung with (fully functional) stock android is the holy grail Im tellin ya!

 

[mclld]

You haven't explained your big turn face, what happened?

 

[skratch77]

I really wish the GPE series direct from Google was still going for new flagships.

This new S6 running a officially supported stock Android 5.1 would be off the charts awesome.

No it wouldn't.I have a nexus sitting right next to me and the camera apk alone on touchwiz is enough to keep me from using asop on a gs6.

Its sad that Samsung's touchwiz lollipop runs better then a google nexus using it and has more bugs ironed out then asop.

 

[gotluck]

No it wouldn't.I have a nexus sitting right next to me and the camera apk alone on touchwiz is enough to keep me from using asop on a gs6.

Its sad that Samsung's touchwiz lollipop runs better then a google nexus using it and has more bugs ironed out then asop.

sure that camera apk is better but in no universe does touchwiz run better

aosp /= GPE too

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

sure that camera apk is better but in no universe does touchwiz run better

aosp /= GPE too

Many reviewers are claiming TW on the S6 is near or as smooth as vanilla. I would wait until it's release publicly to make judgement.

 

[gotluck]

Many reviewers are claiming TW on the S6 is near or as smooth as vanilla. I would wait until it's release publicly to make judgement.

at best it would be equivalent though, you cant add more frameworks and get better performance imo

we will also never be able to truely evaluate the situation because there is no GPE s6 to compare against

I do hope they have made strides though

 

[skratch77]

sure that camera apk is better but in no universe does touchwiz run better

aosp /= GPE too

I'm having bugs and APS force closing on asop along with not getting hangout notifications

None of these issues are coming up on my touchwiz lollipop gs5

 

[gotluck]

I'm having bugs and APS force closing on asop along with not getting hangout notifications

None of these issues are coming up on my touchwiz lollipop gs5

I am having none of those issues on GPE S4 5.0.0

 

[skratch77]

I am having none of those issues on GPE S4 5.0.0

Lol 5.0.0 was the buggyest version.maybe it has Samsung's touches in the framework and is not 100% nexus pure

 

[gotluck]

Lol 5.0.0 was the buggyest version.maybe it has Samsung's touches in the framework and is not 100% nexus pure

it definitely has samsung's touches, that's why I said GPE = / aosp

5.0.0 is the most recent firmware for this device

Samsung can definitely make a lean and mean software build (with quick updates) if they want to, that's why I get so frustrated with TW

 

[2298754]

At this point, Apple and Samsung are CLEARLY the two big dogs. Both have custom chip designs that blow the rest of the industry out of the water. It remains to be seen whether or not Qualcomm and Intel can improve their offerings, but I say more power to Apple and Samsung.

Yeah, I'd agree with this. Apple and Samsung are in a league of their own now. They have tighter control over their own phones now and can properly optimize software and hardware.

However, do we have any info on the US variant of the S6/S6 Edge? Are we also getting the Exynos model or will it be watered down with a Snapdragon SoC, like it has been for the past few years? Samsung needs to push the envelope like Apple and release one model for the US that supports ALL our bands.