Game of Thrones (HBO)

[impulse462]

I personally think the writers are doing a pretty good job since GRRM has writer's block for what seems to be forever. I hope at least GRRM is consulting with the TV writers otherwise the show will definitely "jump the shark".

I respectfully disagree. I think they're both awful, but maybe withou GRRM consultation, the show writers are even worse. The past 2 episodes have proven my point.

Lets take yesterdays episode (s6e2)...what is the reason the dragons just dont eat Tyrion right there? i mean he gives one speech as to how they’re intelligent and all of a sudden he knows how to communicate with them? they even say they haven’t eaten in weeks. Ramsay killing bolton was way too obvious and now heres just another 1 dimensional villain with no reason as to why he's this insane *******. Also the funny thing is Jon Snow being revived lessened the impacts of all the other deaths in this show…something it tried to make as a main selling point. Theons sister is the same thing as ramsay. just 1 dimensional “badass” but we have no reason why. In fact Roose Bolton, who has less screen time than ramsay, is a better character just based on the speeches he gives ramsay. I liked his mad dog speech.

The scene with cersei and tommen was the only good one...served as some character development for Tommen. Also, we haven't seen her yet, but the scenes with Margery in the past few seasons have been awful. In the books shes supposed to be pretty smart (from what I've heard) and manipulating. We've seen like 1 scene this entire series depicting that from her.

The last scene with the red woman was something out of a cheesy B action/drama movie. He wakes as soon as everyone leaves. Also she literally just cut his hair and said some words and he's back now? Come on.

HAHA, and also the scene at the greyjoys. With some random dude just shows up and kills (i don't want to say who exactly because of spoilers). I don't know how many more characters this show is going to pull out of its ass before it ends.

 

[zmunkz]

He absolutely is

Is this your thoughts or you know this from somewhere? I ask because I thought I had seen in an interview that he is not writing any of the episodes this season nor consulting, but I can't find it to see if I'm confused. I know he previously told them the character arcs. He's definitely still involved though?

 

[Renzatic]

I personally think the writers are doing a pretty good job since GRRM has writer's block for what seems to be forever. I hope at least GRRM is consulting with the TV writers otherwise the show will definitely "jump the shark".

GRRM has detailed to them how he intends the story to play out over the next 2-3 books. They're all broad stroke details, so I expect the show won't end exactly the same way the books will, but they'll both be more similar than dissimilar.

 

[Tilpots]

How about Bran's flashback to Hodor and the sister of the Starks? That for me was the most interesting scene of this ep. I want to see more of this...

 

[impulse462]

GRRM has detailed to them how he intends the story to play out over the next 2-3 books. They're all broad stroke details, so I expect the show won't end exactly the same way the books will, but they'll both be more similar than dissimilar.

wait theres gonna be 2-3 more books? lol.

 

[Renzatic]

wait theres gonna be 2-3 more books? lol.

7 altogether, possibly 8. So yeah.

Though as far as fantasy book series go, it's merely middling in length.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Lets take yesterdays episode (s6e2)...what is the reason the dragons just dont eat Tyrion right there? i mean he gives one speech as to how they’re intelligent and all of a sudden he knows how to communicate with them?

The fact that they're intelligent is seen by the fact that they not only understand Khaleesi's wishes, but they also know what to do to protect her. Tyrion is now an allied of Kalheesi, he might actually be a follower now. He has been with her, and I think they've seen him with her. The Dragons might know that he's not only their liberator, but he's a friend.

Ramsay killing bolton was way too obvious and now heres just another 1 dimensional villain with no reason as to why he's this insane *******.

He's Jon Snow's nemesis. The bastard son. They reacted to the very same situation in two different, opposite ways. Jon Snow wants what is right, Ramsay wants power.

Also the funny thing is Jon Snow being revived lessened the impacts of all the other deaths in this show…something it tried to make as a main selling point.

Well, we have to see. As much as we might know it as of now, he might just be brain damaged, or he might just be the new Spiderman.

The last scene with the red woman was something out of a cheesy B action/drama movie. He wakes as soon as everyone leaves. Also she literally just cut his hair and said some words and he's back now? Come on.

Dude, it's a show. What do you expect, a documentary on resuscitation? Granted, when everyone left I knew he was going to be back; but during the ritual we had no way to know what was going to happen.

EDIT: I think that it would've been a much better effect if they didn't wake him up at the end of this episode, leaving the impression that he was dead forever, and then opened the next episode (very first scene) with him re-gaining his life back.

 

[iLog.Genius]

The fact that they're intelligent is seen by the fact that they not only understand Khaleesi's wishes, but they also know what to do to protect her. Tyrion is now an allied of Kalheesi, he might actually be a follower now. He has been with her, and I think they've seen him with her. The Dragons might know that he's not only their liberator, but he's a friend.

While I don't question their intelligence, why they didn't attack Tyrion is still unknown. I'm pretty sure the only dragon to see Tyrion with Daenerys is Drogon when they were in the arena/coliseum. Viserion and Rhaegal were locked up in season 4. Tyrion and Daenerys met in season 5 so I don't think Viserion or Rhaegal have seen Tyrion with or without Daenerys before the last episode.

 

[yaxomoxay]

While I don't question their intelligence, why they didn't attack Tyrion is still unknown.

Well, he's not much of a snack!
However, interesting question.

 

[iLog.Genius]

Well, he's not much of a snack!
However, interesting question.

Food is food when you're stuck in the dark with nothing to eat!

 

[C DM]

The fact that they're intelligent is seen by the fact that they not only understand Khaleesi's wishes, but they also know what to do to protect her. Tyrion is now an allied of Kalheesi, he might actually be a follower now. He has been with her, and I think they've seen him with her. The Dragons might know that he's not only their liberator, but he's a friend.



He's Jon Snow's nemesis. The bastard son. They reacted to the very same situation in two different, opposite ways. Jon Snow wants what is right, Ramsay wants power.



Well, we have to see. As much as we might know it as of now, he might just be brain damaged, or he might just be the new Spiderman.



Dude, it's a show. What do you expect, a documentary on resuscitation? Granted, when everyone left I knew he was going to be back; but during the ritual we had no way to know what was going to happen.

EDIT: I think that it would've been a much better effect if they didn't wake him up at the end of this episode, leaving the impression that he was dead forever, and then opened the next episode (very first scene) with him re-gaining his life back.

I feel the same way--they easily could have been zooming in on him at the end when everyone left and let things build up even more and then just gone to credits with nothing more happening. It was just as plausible for that to happen in a show like this as for him to wake up, realistically speaking.
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Food is food when you're stuck in the dark with nothing to eat!

I believe it was mentioned they were refusing to eat not that they didn't have anything to eat. Meaning hunger was there but because of their own decision essentially not because they didn't have food.

 

[cdcastillo]

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...what is the reason the dragons just dont eat Tyrion right there? i mean he gives one speech as to how they’re intelligent and all of a sudden he knows how to communicate with them? they even say they haven’t eaten in weeks...

Well, he's not much of a snack!
However, interesting question.

Food is food when you're stuck in the dark with nothing to eat!

There is a theory about Tyrion being a Targaryen, the bastard son of the mad king and the wife of Tywinn Lannister (I forgot her name, sorry, Janine?, Joanna?). Also, the dragons, just like the direwolves, tend to "feel" the character of the person near them, or at least, their immediate intentions. And finally, the dragons somehow felt Daenerys is missing/away, and they are refusing to eat, it is not like they are lacking food.

There was a moment in that scene where I feared Tyrion would be a proxy for that faux-Targaryen boy that intended to claim his right to spouse Daenerys and rule Westeros, and ended as barbecue, charred by the dragons. I mean he does not exist in the TV show, and the show has blended characters before.

...He wakes as soon as everyone leaves. Also she literally just cut his hair and said some words and he's back now? Come on...

I agree with you about how waking just as everyone leaves is a bit cheesy, but I imagine the writers wanted to extend the suspense all they could manage, even if they couldn't pull it off effectively. About the ritual though, What where you expecting? it is very simmilar to what Thoros of Myr does to reanimate Dondarrion, meaning: he prays to the lord of light and touches his body (I can't remember if the "ritual" also involved kissing/breathing in the mouth).

...some random dude just shows up and kills (i don't want to say who exactly because of spoilers). I don't know how many more characters this show is going to pull out of its ass before it ends.

He's not a random dude, it is Euron Greyjoy, he calls him "brother". And he might be an important player in the war against the white walkers, since he might use an instrument to bring down the wall in his pursue of the iron throne and the conquer of Westeros

I feel the same way--they easily could have been zooming in on him at the end when everyone left and let things build up even more and then just gone to credits with nothing more happening. It was just as plausible for that to happen in a show like this as for him to wake up, realistically speaking.
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You're right it would have been an awesome beginning to the third episode. It would have blown my mind, at least.

 

[giantfan1224]

But... But... R+L=J!?

We now know this theory is still alive. But, prior to Sunday's episode, I was wondering how it would be revealed since all those that seemingly know the truth are dead--Rhaegar, Lyanna, Ned--and then we see Bran warging into the past seeing his father as a youth and it became clear that Bran would be the one to reveal the truth of R+L=J.

 

[AustinIllini]

We now know this theory is still alive. But, prior to Sunday's episode, I was wondering how it would be revealed since all those that seemingly know the truth are dead--Rhaegar, Lyanna, Ned--and then we see Bran warging into the past seeing his father as a youth and it became clear that Bran would be the one to reveal the truth of R+L=J.

Longtime 'Game Of Thrones' Fan Theory Might Be Confirmed In Next Week's Episode

 

[zmunkz]

Yeah they are definitely using Bran for the backstory reveal. I'm guessing in the books it will be a warg thing instead of red lady magic, but in the shows they didn't really setup the Starks/warg thing the same way.

 

[Roller]

agree with you about how waking just as everyone leaves is a bit cheesy, but I imagine the writers wanted to extend the suspense all they could manage, even if they couldn't pull it off effectively. About the ritual though, What where you expecting? it is very simmilar to what Thoros of Myr does to reanimate Dondarrion, meaning: he prays to the lord of light and touches his body (I can't remember if the "ritual" also involved kissing/breathing in the mouth).

I think that there's something about the connection between Jon Snow and Ghost that required everyone else to be out of the room when Jon awoke. I suppose that the writer and show runners could have ended the episode leaving us hanging, but they had to show Jon re-animating at some point, and this was as good as any, given that we all knew it would happen sooner or later. The part where Melisandre gives her incantations also could have been more elaborate. For instance, it would have been interesting if she had to give her own life or perhaps become even older to achieve her goal, but apparently she has other things in store for her.

 

[AlliFlowers]

Towards the end of the books it was looking like Melisandre had realized her mistake and that she had backed the wrong horse. It will be a Targaryen who takes the Iron Throne. But it seems there are more Targaryens out there than anyone ever thought. Of course, this will also unite the warring families, since each of them has a Targaryen family member....

 

[giantfan1224]

I think that there's something about the connection between Jon Snow and Ghost that required everyone else to be out of the room when Jon awoke. I suppose that the writer and show runners could have ended the episode leaving us hanging, but they had to show Jon re-animating at some point, and this was as good as any, given that we all knew it would happen sooner or later. The part where Melisandre gives her incantations also could have been more elaborate. For instance, it would have been interesting if she had to give her own life or perhaps become even older to achieve her goal, but apparently she has other things in store for her.

The way it happened leads me to wonder if Jon's reanimation is more of a warging thing and less a Melisandre/Lord of Light thing.

 

[impulse462]

The fact that they're intelligent is seen by the fact that they not only understand Khaleesi's wishes, but they also know what to do to protect her. Tyrion is now an allied of Kalheesi, he might actually be a follower now. He has been with her, and I think they've seen him with her. The Dragons might know that he's not only their liberator, but he's a friend.

I don't understand how that is established at all in the show (not talking about the books). Tyrion is never shown to have any connection with dragons in the show at all. I did hear about that theory that he is a Targaryen which would make sense, but this is why i'm biased against tv shows that do this and prefer film

He's Jon Snow's nemesis. The bastard son. They reacted to the very same situation in two different, opposite ways. Jon Snow wants what is right, Ramsay wants power.

Lol, where did you ever get that he's Jon Snow's nemesis? Neither know that each other exists. Other than the fact they are bastards from the north, nothing has ever been established between them

Well, we have to see. As much as we might know it as of now, he might just be brain damaged, or he might just be the new Spiderman.

fair point

Dude, it's a show. What do you expect, a documentary on resuscitation? Granted, when everyone left I knew he was going to be back; but during the ritual we had no way to know what was going to happen.

why does the red woman have this power? how did she get it? other than the fact that she and that one guy who brought someone back are the same religion, why is she able to bring someone back to light. the fact that she follows this religion is the ONLY reason she can bring back someone? so every follower of this religion can bring people back? none of these questions are addressed. sloppy writing all around
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He's not a random dude, it is Euron Greyjoy, he calls him "brother". And he might be an important player in the war against the white walkers, since he might use an instrument to bring down the wall in his pursue of the iron throne and the conquer of Westeros

yeah I noticed that he called him brother, but this show is once again just pulling characters out of its ass. it just has the worst writing.

sorry i don't mean to sound cynical, but i used to really like this show early on (seasons 1-3) but the writing (probably because of the troll) is just so bad. i don't think he had a clear cut plot in his mind and after the 2nd or 3rd book hes just going along with it the whole story is just so muddled. i know i know...why don't i just stop watching it? well i invested a lot of time in the show and i do like the whole universe. just a shame a medicore writer had to come up with it.

 

[C DM]

Lol, where did you ever get that he's Jon Snow's nemesis? Neither know that each other exists. Other than the fact they are bastards from the north, nothing has ever been established between them

Maybe not yet or in the sense that they specially know, but with one taking over Winterfell and brutally dealing with everything there, along with all the Sansa stuff, whether Jon knows about it yet or not, it's pretty clear they are enemies.

 

[shadow puppet]

Looks like we're heading into the era of Jon Snow with a man bun. Not sure about this.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/oh-my-god-jon-snow-is-getting-a-hair-cut-on-game-of-tho-1774770724

 

[Roller]

why does the red woman have this power? how did she get it? other than the fact that she and that one guy who brought someone back are the same religion, why is she able to bring someone back to light. the fact that she follows this religion is the ONLY reason she can bring back someone? so every follower of this religion can bring people back? none of these questions are addressed. sloppy writing all around

I suspect that the show runners would like to have sufficient screen time to show more of Melisandre's backstory. But the reality is that they have only ten episodes each season. That may sound like a lot, but it's not when you consider the number of characters and story lines they need to cover. They were also in the position of not knowing how many seasons the show would run, despite its popularity, so they had to decide how much time to allocate to each character and plot element.

We may not know specifically how Melisandre gained her power to re-animate, but we have seen her supernatural traits before (giving birth to shadow babies and looking much younger than her true age), so it shouldn't be that surprising that she can perform superhuman feats. Plus, this is a TV series after all, so it's not as if the writers could provide enough detail to convince us that she can actually do these things.

 

[impulse462]

I suspect that the show runners would like to have sufficient screen time to show more of Melisandre's backstory. But the reality is that they have only ten episodes each season. That may sound like a lot, but it's not when you consider the number of characters and story lines they need to cover. They were also in the position of not knowing how many seasons the show would run, despite its popularity, so they had to decide how much time to allocate to each character and plot element.

We may not know specifically how Melisandre gained her power to re-animate, but we have seen her supernatural traits before (giving birth to shadow babies and looking much younger than her true age), so it shouldn't be that surprising that she can perform superhuman feats. Plus, this is a TV series after all, so it's not as if the writers could provide enough detail to convince us that she can actually do these things.

True points. In all honesty, my main problem with this show is woeful lack of character development for all but a few characters. Cersei is constantly in my face in majority of the episodes and yet shes exactly the same person as she was at the beginning of this show. Except for maybe Jaime (the writing and acting for this character is really great) and Tyrion (same things can be said about him), no one has really changed at all and the show is getting stale. I mean look at Dany (or Sansa)...she's the same person this entire time also.

Red woman seemed to be questioning her faith (finally) but now she's probably back to it and so its another example of this character whos been in our faces constantly who hasn't changed much. probably my biggest gripe with this series.

 

[C DM]

True points. In all honesty, my main problem with this show is woeful lack of character development for all but a few characters. Cersei is constantly in my face in majority of the episodes and yet shes exactly the same person as she was at the beginning of this show. Except for maybe Jaime (the writing and acting for this character is really great) and Tyrion (same things can be said about him), no one has really changed at all and the show is getting stale. I mean look at Dany (or Sansa)...she's the same person this entire time also.

Red woman seemed to be questioning her faith (finally) but now she's probably back to it and so its another example of this character whos been in our faces constantly who hasn't changed much. probably my biggest gripe with this series.

To be fair, do people really change in a matter of a year or two or three? Certainly some do, while plenty don't.

 

[nj-morris]

Ok I'll say it. R+L does equal J. I'm only saying that because I don't want to be wrong again.