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impulse462

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To be fair, do people really change in a matter of a year or two or three? Certainly some do, while plenty don't.
Has it only been 1 or 2 years in 6 seasons?

Although I might give a pass to Dany since i do find her idealism pretty charming/inspiring. Also she has frickin dragons.
 

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Has it only been 1 or 2 years in 6 seasons?

Although I might give a pass to Dany since i do find her idealism pretty charming/inspiring. Also she has frickin dragons.
Well, perhaps we are looking at something around 5 years or so, but even then what I mentioned mostly applies still. I mean I'm all for various characters growing and changing in different ways, but at the same time as far as some realism goes, and even as far as even the fiction goes, some characters sticking to who they have been seems fairly reasonable/rational and in a sense reaffirms their principles and drive (be it all good or bad).
 
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Has it only been 1 or 2 years in 6 seasons?

Although I might give a pass to Dany since i do find her idealism pretty charming/inspiring. Also she has frickin dragons.
Yeah but I agree that the Dany story has gotten stale. She should have started making her move by now on Westeros but she's indefinitely stuck (again?) with the Dothraki?
 
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impulse462

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Yeah but I agree that the Dany story has gotten stale. She should have started making her move by now on Westeros but she's indefinitely stuck (again?) with the Dothraki?
yeah dude, i just fail to understand her being with the dothraki again. seriously why?
 

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Well, perhaps we are looking at something around 5 years or so, but even then what I mentioned mostly applies still. I mean I'm all for various characters growing and changing in different ways, but at the same time as far as some realism goes, and even as far as even the fiction goes, some characters sticking to who they have been seems fairly reasonable/rational and in a sense reaffirms their principles and drive (be it all good or bad).

According to the Game of Thrones Wiki, each season of the TV series corresponds to the following years based on the nomenclature AL. (Aegon the Conqueror, ruler of House Targaryen, invaded Westeros in 0 AL):
  • Season 1: 298 AL
  • Season 2: 299 AL
  • Season 3: 300 AL
  • Season 4: 301 AL
  • Season 5: 302 AL
  • Season 6: 303 AL
So each season corresponds to one year and accounts for the physical aging of the cast, especially the younger characters. I don't think that it's unrealistic that some characters have changed more than others since season 1. For example, Arya and Bran have grown up and are very different from the way they were at the start. Others, like Tyrion, have changed less, though he's become more world-wise and politically savvy.

Dany is interesting. She began as an innocent 15-year-old at the start of season 1. She's grown considerably since then, but has learned that becoming a benevolent ruler is much harder than she imagined. She's about to be exiled along with other widows of khals, but I'm sure she'll be back.
 

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Yeah but I agree that the Dany story has gotten stale. She should have started making her move by now on Westeros but she's indefinitely stuck (again?) with the Dothraki?

yeah dude, i just fail to understand her being with the dothraki again. seriously why?

It may have something to do with that prophesy about "to go west, you must go east".
 

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Great episode tonight. I was surprised to see Rickon reappear. Hopefully he hasn't been brought back just to die a horrible death.

I love how Bran is getting small glimpses of the past, but not to much at any one time.

Aria's journey continues to be my favorite. I love the character.
 

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The only reason Bran is getting glimpses and not all of it at one time is because they only want us to get glimpses and not all of it at one time. :oops:

And Dany is back with the Dothraki because what else was she going to do for the next season or two until it's time to face the White Walkers? Lol

Really good episode, BTW. I've been wanting to see LSH so bad since season 4, but I can see one reason why they never used her in the show. By resurrecting Beric, we learn it's possible to bring someone back but that was quickly and easily forgotten by many people. If they brought back Catelyn, everyone would assume anyone could be brought back at any time and it just makes death seem so temporary. By not bringing her back, it adds some shock value to viewers who aren't constantly reading theories, rumors, and spoilers online.
 

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There are so many story lines to cover in an episode, you'd think HBO would make them 90 to 120 minutes instead of 60. Each episode feels like a review session with the format of going from one story to the next and only spending a few minutes at a time on each.

So Jon Snow gets revived and then walks out of the Nights Watch. What's up with that? I understand he feels bad for the things that happened and then having to hang the others for killing him. But instead of just stepping down as Lord Commander he leaves. Does that mean he's out of the show again?

The look on Melisandres face was priceless as she walked back in to see Jon alive and that her spell worked.
 
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The only reason Bran is getting glimpses and not all of it at one time is because they only want us to get glimpses and not all of it at one time. :oops:

And Dany is back with the Dothraki because what else was she going to do for the next season or two until it's time to face the White Walkers? Lol

Really good episode, BTW. I've been wanting to see LSH so bad since season 4, but I can see one reason why they never used her in the show. By resurrecting Beric, we learn it's possible to bring someone back but that was quickly and easily forgotten by many people. If they brought back Catelyn, everyone would assume anyone could be brought back at any time and it just makes death seem so temporary. By not bringing her back, it adds some shock value to viewers who aren't constantly reading theories, rumors, and spoilers online.
I think if or when they do bring back Catelyn they're going to have to explain even though she's alive she's isn't the same. It's not like Jon Snow, for he's a warg even though the TV show handle it different they keep that in spirit.
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There are so many story lines to cover in an episode, you'd think HBO would make them 90 to 120 minutes instead of 60. Each episode feels like a review session with the format of going from one story to the next and only spending a few minutes at a time on each.

So Jon Snow gets revived and then walks out of the Nights Watch. What's up with that? I understand he feels bad for the things that happened and then having to hang the others for killing him. But instead of just stepping down as Lord Commander he leaves. Does that mean he's out of the show again?

The look on Melisandres face was priceless as she walked back in to see Jon alive and that her spell worked.
It was a combination of Melisandres spell and the fact the Snow is a warg is the reason he's back alive. If you look the scene again Jon awoke just right after his direworlf did (keeping it in the spirit of the books in my opinion).

As for Jon Snow leaving the Night's Watch, I'm guessing he did that so that he can take back Winterfell for a member of the black can't meddle with affairs of kings. I'm also guessing that Jon Snow will eventually join forces (maybe even have a romantic twist) with Daenerys Targaryen. Though in the meantime he'll join up (or even lead) with the wildlings, again just a guess.
 
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I liked last night's episode, though it was slower than the previous one. A few observations:

1. Jon Snow's leaving the Night's Watch (which he can do without violating his oath since he did actually die and there was no resurrection clause) opens up some intriguing possibilities. Does he head north or south? I also liked Tormund's comment about why he's not impressed with the new Jon.

2. Dany's statements reminded me of TV characters who are pulled over by police and exclaim "Do you know who you're dealing with?" For now, she may be wiser to act more contrite about not having followed Dothraki procedure after Khal Drogo died, though she'll probably escape at some point (unless GoT throws a huge curve ball).

3. I would have liked to see more of the Tower of Joy flashback/vision, but I understand why it's being doled out. I think that Bran's seeing that his father didn't kill Ser Arthur Dayne singlehandedly is important because it reinforces the point that Ned wasn't perfect. We may see more of this in part II.

4. The scene with Tyrion, Grey Worm and Missandei was oddly drawn out - my least favorite of the episode.

5. I wasn't surprised to see Rickon and Osha appear at Winterfell when I read "Ramsay gets a gift" in the official synopsis. This can't go well for them.

6. I don't think that Grand Maester Pycelle is long for this world after dissing The Big Guy in his presence.

7. I find it hard to believe that Arya is really going to lose her identity permanently, despite her repeated responses that she's No One.
 
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So Jon Snow gets revived and then walks out of the Nights Watch. What's up with that? I understand he feels bad for the things that happened and then having to hang the others for killing him. But instead of just stepping down as Lord Commander he leaves. Does that mean he's out of the show again?

As for Jon Snow leaving the Night's Watch, I'm guessing he did that so that he can take back Winterfell for a member of the black can't meddle with affairs of kings. I'm also guessing that Jon Snow will eventually join forces (maybe even have a romantic twist) with Daenerys Targaryen. Though in the meantime he'll join up (or even lead) with the wildlings, again just a guess.

Jon is a Targaryen. Whatever he does next, is simply his road to Dany so that that the two cousins can marry and rule the 7 Kingdoms. I realize they're not brother and sister, called for in Targaryen tradition, but close enough.

I find it hard to believe that Arya is really going to lose her identity permanently, despite her repeated responses that she's No One.

Arya's future is to be an assassin.
 

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I don't see Jon and Dany having a romantic relationship. I don't think there will even be time to develop that by the end of the show.
 

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1. Jon Snow's leaving the Night's Watch (which he can do without violating his oath since he did actually die and there was no resurrection clause) opens up some intriguing possibilities. Does he head north or south? I also liked Tormund's comment about why he's not impressed with the new Jon...
Yes, his watch did actually end! I imagine his next move is onto winterfell (hence Melissandre's vission). Maybe the captivity of Rickon will be the last push he needs to get motivated again to fight.

4. The scene with Tyrion, Grey Worm and Missandei was oddly drawn out - my least favorite of the episode...
I actually quite enjoyed it.

7. I find it hard to believe that Arya is really going to lose her identity permanently, despite her repeated responses that she's No One.
Me too!, can she warg his stark identity out of his body to truly be no-one, and regain it again later? In the books is much clearer she has warged out before, but I think in the show she has also had "dreams" that she is Nymeria (her direwolf), although I can't be certain of it. Well, I guess I have to re-watch the previous 5 seasons again.
 

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Great episode tonight. I was surprised to see Rickon reappear. Hopefully he hasn't been brought back just to die a horrible death.

Yeah, I'm a bit worried that Rickon will become another Reek. A bit over the top, I think, if the show decides to do that.
 

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The only reason Bran is getting glimpses and not all of it at one time is because they only want us to get glimpses and not all of it at one time. :oops:

And Dany is back with the Dothraki because what else was she going to do for the next season or two until it's time to face the White Walkers? Lol

Really good episode, BTW. I've been wanting to see LSH so bad since season 4, but I can see one reason why they never used her in the show. By resurrecting Beric, we learn it's possible to bring someone back but that was quickly and easily forgotten by many people. If they brought back Catelyn, everyone would assume anyone could be brought back at any time and it just makes death seem so temporary. By not bringing her back, it adds some shock value to viewers who aren't constantly reading theories, rumors, and spoilers online.
Since the writers/producers know all about the R+L=J theory, it makes me wonder if they're going to milk it all they can with the viewers and then throw a huge curveball when it comes to the reveal.
 

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Here's a depressing thought: one more episode and we're almost half way through the season.
 

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Thanks for that.
 

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Thanks for that.

You're welcome. :)

Seriously, I was introduced to GoT a couple of weeks before the start of season 5, so I had to watch 40 episodes to catch up. That spoiled me, because there was always another one to look forward to instantly until I reached the end of season 4. Since then, 10 a year doesn't seem to be enough.
 
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Since the writers/producers know all about the R+L=J theory, it makes me wonder if they're going to milk it all they can with the viewers and then throw a huge curveball when it comes to the reveal.

Yeah the theory has been going for about 25 years now. There's not really much of an element of surprise to it.
 

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You're welcome. :)

Seriously, I was introduced to GoT a couple of weeks before the start of season 5, so I had to watch 40 episodes to catch up. That spoiled me, because there was always another one to look forward to instantly until I reached the end of season 4. Since then, 10 a year doesn't seem to be enough.
Same thing has happened to me, though I only had to binge watch through season 3 to be caught up before season 4 started up. I did the same with Breaking Bad, The Walking Dead and a few other shows.
 
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