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Game of Thrones (HBO)

zmunkz said:
Here is an interesting discussion: http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/9356/is-daenerys-targaryen-immune-to-fire

Looks like @giantfan1224 has the details right. On the topic of general immunity, however, here is a Q&A where GRRM answers this directly... but either he was holding back spoilers, or the show has deviated on this point:
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I just think it shows that the TV show is not his beast anymore. They have always taken liberties, but this proves even more so that they are going to take the story where they want to, how they want to.

And on the topic of the books. I am not sure he will ever finish them. Personally, I think he got tired of writing them after the third book, and now he is begrudgingly putting them down on paper for the publishers and the fans. The quality and feel from book 3 to 4 (not to mention the amount of time to put it out) took a nosedive.
 
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Over the weekend I went to the Motor City Comic Con and picked up more artwork from a favorite artist of mine. This particular piece is called Targaryen Girl. I figure it's apropos for this thread.

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Have you noticed that so far this season all of the living Starks have returned in some way or another?

Jon: returned from the dead
Sansa: returned to family (Jon)
Arya: vision returned
Bran: returned to the show
Rickon: returned to the show/returned to Winterfell

Is this some sort of foreshadowing of the Starks uniting to take Winterfell? Or is it just something to keep our hopes up and kill them all, in typical Game of Thrones fashion?
 
nj-morris said:
Have you noticed that so far this season all of the living Starks have returned in some way or another?

Jon: returned from the dead
Sansa: returned to family (Jon)
Arya: vision returned
Bran: returned to the show
Rickon: returned to the show/returned to Winterfell

Is this some sort of foreshadowing of the Starks uniting to take Winterfell? Or is it just something to keep our hopes up and kill them all, in typical Game of Thrones fashion?
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The Starks are back on the rise, they better not all be killed off.
 
stridemat said:
The Starks are back on the rise, they better not all be killed off.
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The Starks are the moral center of the show and if it doesn't end in a somewhat positive Stark light then it will be viewed overall as depressing, despotic and devoid of any redemption. Not saying it couldn't end negatively but the overall legacy of it as a classic piece of entertainment kind of depends on that IMO.
 
nj-morris said:
Is this some sort of foreshadowing of the Starks uniting to take Winterfell? Or is it just something to keep our hopes up and kill them all, in typical Game of Thrones fashion?
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I saw an interesting BuzzFeed fan theory relating each of the Starks with the seven-pointed star of the new gods. I could definitely see them reuniting if that allegory is meant to hold.

GRRM doesn't kill characters just for spice or because that's his style... I think the truth is we just didn't know early in which characters were that real "main" ones. It isn't just about trying to be "true to life" either. Look at the things Danny, Tyrrion, and now John Snow have wiggled out of. They aren't going anywhere IMO before the final climax of the series no matter what comes up. I suspect Bran and Aryia are in the "safe boat" too.
 
giantfan1224 said:
The Starks are the moral center of the show and if it doesn't end in a somewhat positive Stark light then it will be viewed overall as depressing, despotic and devoid of any redemption. Not saying it couldn't end negatively but the overall legacy of it as a classic piece of entertainment kind of depends on that IMO.
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Mostly I dislike stories with unhappy endings. Fingers crosses it's not, although I do see the value of twists in the story and surprise deaths to avoid predictability. As of right now, I'd predict The Mother Of Dragons will conquer, but that might be too predictable. :D
 
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Has there been any redemption on a grand scale in this show? It seems like there is major despair with only minor victories but no major conquests. It is very reminiscent of life in the middle ages.
 
BenTrovato said:
Has there been any redemption on a grand scale in this show? It seems like there is major despair with only minor victories but no major conquests. It is very reminiscent of life in the middle ages.
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I'm not convinced that overall redemption will happen but imagine the saga ending with the Lannisters retaining the crown, the Stark/Targaryen lines extinguished and the Boltons as wardens of the north. That would be rather sucky for an otherwise brilliant story. It is as compelling as it is because of the possibility of redemption. Major/popular characters are killed off, people are ticked and threaten to stop watching but continue to watch because of that possibility.
 
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BenTrovato said:
Has there been any redemption on a grand scale in this show? It seems like there is major despair with only minor victories but no major conquests. It is very reminiscent of life in the middle ages.
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Do you mean justice? There is potential for such a thing. :)
 
Huntn said:
Do you mean justice? There is potential for such a thing. :)
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That made me think of the justice awaiting Ramsay. I think HBO is laying it on a bit thick though. It's almost like with each episode they have to one-up Ramsay's despicableness. And yet the twist that may be developing under the surface is the very real possibility that Littlefinger is the most despicable character on the show.
 
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giantfan1224 said:
That made me think of the justice awaiting Ramsay. I think HBO is laying it on a bit thick though. It's almost like with each episode they have to one-up Ramsay's despicableness. And yet the twist that may be developing under the surface is the very real possibility that Littlefinger is the most despicable character on the show.
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From what we've seen so far, it's hard to equate Little Finger to Ramsay for brutality. With the fake Sansa (in the book), I was somewhat belligerent that they had LF talking Sansa into going with Ramsay because it had not happened in the book. Well, maybe it has and we just have not had an opportunity to read it yet. ;)
 
Huntn said:
From what we've seen so far, it's hard to equate Little Finger to Ramsay for brutality. With the fake Sansa (in the book), I was somewhat belligerent that they had LF talking Sansa into going with Ramsay because it had not happened in the book. Well, maybe it has and we just have not had an opportunity to read it yet. ;)
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No doubt Ramsay is unmatched in brutality but it's like drinking from a firehouse. "Yes, we get it, we're supposed to really really really hate this guy!!" It just makes me wonder if that's to throw us off kilter as to who is the real threat in in the North.
 
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Ok, so there are White Walkers and those that control the White Walkers. Did the Children of the Woods create those that control the White Walkers? Too bad they can't control what they created.
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nj-morris said:
HODOOOOOOOOR!!!
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So the word transcends time...
 
wow thats a weak explanation for the origin of the name. on another note, i'm finally glad sansa is upbeat and efficient. shes grown the most out of anyone on this show
 
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So wait,

Bran used the Hodor in the past to mind control Hodor in the future? And that fu**ed up his mind? It wasn't clear from his past self that he was doing anything on purpose there, but he must have been.

This makes that fan theory about Bran being the one who ultimately made the mad king go mad (inadvertently) sound actually plausible... So all of this could be Bran's fault.
 
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impulse462 said:
wow thats a weak explanation for the origin of the name. on another note, i'm finally glad sansa is upbeat and efficient. shes grown the most out of anyone on this show
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True. Sansa used to be timid and weak, but now she's absolutely badass. Love the change.
 
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