Yeah, she is playing the Game now. Lying about Peter to Jon, and also not killing Peter on the spot... even rallying Jon to the cause. She is finally breaking out of the stupid damsel role.
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Yeah, she is playing the Game now. Lying about Peter to Jon, and also not killing Peter on the spot... even rallying Jon to the cause. She is finally breaking out of the stupid damsel role.
Bran's arc has always been less satisfying to me than the others. So now we see that he can observe the past while still hearing what's happening in the present and can influence past events, since people there can hear him. That opens up all the usual time travel paradoxes. For example, why can't Bran go back to the day he saw Cersei and Jaime and prevent his younger self from climbing up the wall and getting pushed by Jaime? Or is that prohibited by the rules of warging or whatever?
I prefer the story lines that focus on conflict, intrigue, politics, and so on, even if they involve supernatural powers like Dany's flame and heat-proofing. To me, that's the essence of the Game of Thrones. It's great, for example, to see Sansa grow into a sophisticated player in that world.
I prefer the story lines that focus on conflict, intrigue, politics, and so on, even if they involve supernatural powers like Dany's flame and heat-proofing. To me, that's the essence of the Game of Thrones. It's great, for example, to see Sansa grow into a sophisticated player in that world.
Sansa is getting there. She should have had Brienne take Balish prisoner and gathered his army regardless. He's still playing his own game.
Evidently the white walkers were created and then like so many storied monsters, they got out of hand and turned on their masters. The final scene was horribly sad.
It was also sad seeing Aria re-live her own past in watching the play. She will make a fine assassin one day, despite everyone else's misgivings. Her tutor...dude! That girl is Matrix fast!
Evidently the white walkers were created and then like so many storied monsters, they got out of hand and turned on their masters. The final scene was horribly sad.
It was also sad seeing Aria re-live her own past in watching the play. She will make a fine assassin one day, despite everyone else's misgivings. Her tutor...dude! That girl is Matrix fast!
I used to think Sansa was the most worthless of the Stark kids. This is a great character development. Ironically in the book (so far) she has not had anyone like Ramsay to whip her into shape.
Good job Bran. Way to **** everything up!
Be fair, it's not all his fault.
Except Bran was not yet born during the time of the Mad King, if that makes any difference. I'm not sure what the Hodor episode represents other than an event in the future was effecting Walder in the past, a connection across time. Now if a past Hodor was effected by a future event, why was the past Hodor effected just then, was it because Bran was there, or because the old man took him back to see this event, which obviously had happened in the past, but yet connected to the future (time conundrum/paradox). There's also the possibility of not just visions, but of time travel where Bran thinks his Dad hears him when he yells out during a vision.
I'm not sure it's RIP Hodor.
I took that scene to mean that Arya is still having a hard time completely letting go to truly become No One and that perhaps family and the Stark legacy are too important to her. She may decide to ditch the Facelesss God training and could be a powerful assassin with the training she's already received but fighting for the Stark cause.
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Was he born yet in the scene with Wylis (Hodor)?
I think it had very much to do with Bran being there in the past, warging into Hodor while still time travelling. He warged into both Hodors where he was present. And the fact that Hodor died while taken over by Bran made past Wylis simpleminded (Hodor).
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No, but this is the source of the speculation. He was back there in a vision seeing what happened or a vision altered by what was happening in the present, except we know that it did happen in the past because of Hodor's condition since the beginning of the series and he was saying Hodor before the event happened in the future. There is definitely some time paradoxes involved.
I can agree with your spoiler. As presented in this story, time is not linear, but fluid and flexible where the past, present and future are all present and can effect each other, although most creatures experience time as linear.
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Ach! If I want time paradoxes I'll watch 12 Monkeys or Doctor Who. I don't want it in GoT.
I do want to know why they're after Bran though. And how on earth he's going to escape them.
I do want to know why they're after Bran though. And how on earth he's going to escape them.
Just before they kill him, he'll jump into a bird, and eventually move his personality into another human with whom he'll share the body.
It's all just one long episode of Quantum Leap.Just before they kill him, he'll jump into a bird, and eventually move his personality into another human with whom he'll share the body.
Spoiler.
1) What an episode! RIP Hodor. Now you can stop holding the door, and rest in peace.
2) Sansa finally shows some balls (ironically in the first episode that actually shows balls).
3) Bran's plot is becoming dangerous for the show. Now, if it is nicely devised it might be the best thing ever, but opening timeline games might ruin the show (see Lost.) So, he caused Hodor's inability to speak. He started playing between past, and present, and caused the bad dudes to find his location through some sort of telepathy. Very very dangerous for the show.
If the theory that Bran caused the mad king to go mad is true, then we enter into the paradox that the reason why Bran is where he's now is because the mad king went made and the whole GoT thing became true. Now, if he's the one that caused the king to go mad, how could it happen the first time? Dangerous.
1) What an episode! RIP Hodor. Now you can stop holding the door, and rest in peace.
2) Sansa finally shows some balls (ironically in the first episode that actually shows balls).
3) Bran's plot is becoming dangerous for the show. Now, if it is nicely devised it might be the best thing ever, but opening timeline games might ruin the show (see Lost.) So, he caused Hodor's inability to speak. He started playing between past, and present, and caused the bad dudes to find his location through some sort of telepathy. Very very dangerous for the show.
If the theory that Bran caused the mad king to go mad is true, then we enter into the paradox that the reason why Bran is where he's now is because the mad king went made and the whole GoT thing became true. Now, if he's the one that caused the king to go mad, how could it happen the first time? Dangerous.
That's exactly what I think is going on. This is purely speculation on my part, and I may turn out to be completely off base, but I'll put my reasoning in spoiler text regardless.
As she watched Ned and Sansa ridiculed in the play, you could see the torment in her face. She's realizing that as No One she'll just have to do others' bidding, including killing people who may be honorable. That will stand in the way of exacting revenge for her family. Jaqen H'ghar seems to acknowledge this in his comment to her, and I think that the Waif feels the same, albeit in a more malevolent way. I suspect we'll get to see Needle again.
Be fair, it's not all his fault.
Yeah you're right. I'm looking at you, Children of the Forest. Great, thanks for contributing to f--king everything up by creating the White Walkers.
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Yeah you're right. I'm looking you, Children of the Forest. Great, thanks for contributing to f--king everything up by creating the White Walkers.
The following link includes good info to clarify. I'm probably the only one who needs clarification.
At first I thought White Walkers were the mindless killers, but those are wrights (reanimated dead). White Walkers create and control them to act as their army.Quote Link:
The White Walkers are a mythological race of humanoid ice gods mentioned in ancient legends and stories from the time of the First Men and the Children of the Forest. They were created by Leaf in order to protect the Children of the Forest from the war with the First Men but they descended into chaos and became the most feared creatures in all of Westeros. The first White Walker was created by the Children of the Forest enchanting a dragon glass blade and sending it through the heart of a captured First Man. Eight thousand years before Robert's Rebellion, a winter known as the Long Night lasted a generation. In the darkness and cold of the Long Night, the White Walkers descended upon Westeros from the farthest north, the polar regions of the Lands of Always Winter. None knew why they came, but they killed all in their path, reanimating the dead as wights to kill the living at their command. Eventually the peoples of Westeros rallied and in a conflict known as the War for the Dawn, they managed to defeat the White Walkers and drive them back into the uttermost north, with the Wall raised to bar their return. In reality, the White Walkers were created by the Children of the Forest in order to serve as living weapons in their war against the First Men, before the Walkers rebelled against the Children themselves.
I think it's a metaphor. Winter overcoming Summer.
And yeah, it's just Ghost now. Unless Arya's dog makes an appearance.
Also, it's not like they're just killing the dire wolves because they want to. All of them died defending their masters so their deaths have some significance.
Before this season, I also kept hoping Nymeria would show up in a significant/important way to the story. Now I'm not so sure. On the books, while being Cat of the Cannals, Arya would keep inadvertently warging to Nymeria, and thinking it was only a dream, so we knew her direwolf was still alive. With the show overcoming/surpassing the books, now I don't know what to expect.
Does anybody think that Arya is going to come back to Westeros and help out her family?
It's not out of the question. All of the Starks are headed in the same general direction in my opinion, and there was all that stuff about 'you should have stayed where you were' or whatever it was that Jaqen or that girl said in the last episode, and in the synopsis of the next episode it says 'Arya faces a difficult choice'. It reminds me of the synopsis in the episode where Jon betrays the wildlings.
It's not out of the question. All of the Starks are headed in the same general direction in my opinion, and there was all that stuff about 'you should have stayed where you were' or whatever it was that Jaqen or that girl said in the last episode, and in the synopsis of the next episode it says 'Arya faces a difficult choice'. It reminds me of the synopsis in the episode where Jon betrays the wildlings.
I think that's the end game, she's just taking the long road vs. Sansa who is pretty much in the middle of everything.
Absolutely Arya is going turn back.
Arya is completely unloyal to the Faceless Men. Only The Waif seems to know this--Jaquen is deluded. Arya might be deluded herself, but I think it is more likely that she's purposely playing the Faceless Men in order to get the assassination skills she needs to knock off everyone on her hit list.
- When asked to completely give up "Arya's" past, she threw everything out except Needle. Remember she hid Needle in the wall, essentially reserving a piece of herself for future use. There's no way that was a throwaway scene.
- After insisting repeatedly that she was nobody, she killed a personal target and outright declares herself as Arya Stark to her victim.
- Jaqen's subsequent tests have been lame. "Hey I'll give you your sight back and some dinner if you just say you're Arya!" ...that was the easiest and most obvious test on the face of the planet.
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I agree she will finally pass the test then reject the offer... This is better from a story-telling point of view because then when she leaves, it represents her own decision/ growth, rather than something forced on her. I personally think it will be at the moment she's accepted, before she actually becomes one of them.
Who is left on her list? Cerci, the mountain...?