Game of Thrones (HBO)

[Huntn]

If you're talking about Arya, she isn't dead. If they were going to kill her off, they would have showed it. They wouldn't have that final scene of her walking down the road. There was an interesting theory that Gendry was going to find her.

Plus, the next episode is called 'No One'. I think that will have some significance.

Nope, not talking about Ayra, instead the one who was left hanging (Ian McShane) at the end of the episode which really dissapointed me.

Is Sansa's desperation leading her to send a raven to Littlefinger to recruit House Arryn? My guess is yes and it's NOT a good idea.

I'd say it's yet to be revealed if it's a good idea or not.

 

[iLog.Genius]

Is Sansa's desperation leading her to send a raven to Littlefinger to recruit House Arryn? My guess is yes and it's NOT a good idea.

Assuming she did send a raven to Littefinger (likely she did), that's actually quite disappointing for her character. She's been through hell so it's understandable she's anxious to reclaim Winterfell, but you would have thought that she would have matured a bit and reuniting with Jon would make her become a bit more careful in her decisions. How many times can you trust Littlefinger before telling him to finally **** off?

 

[S.B.G]

Did anyone notice the first seconds of the scene when Arya is first on the screen walking towards the camera, 'a girl' walks to her right and away and then off camera. The clothes and hairstyle was exactly like Arya was sporting prior to this episode as a faceless man trainee.

Edit: I found a screenshot online...

 

[Huntn]

Did anyone notice the first seconds of the scene when Arya is first on the screen walking towards the camera, 'a girl' walks to her right and away and then off camera. The clothes and hairstyle was exactly like Arya was sporting prior to this episode as a faceless man trainee.

I was so focused on her I missed it, interesting. I think it's safe to say it's not how it appears on the surface.

 

[thewitt]

I think Littlefinger is too obvious as the destination for Sansa's raven...

 

[giantfan1224]

I'd say it's yet to be revealed if it's a good idea or not.

I don't know if you're referring to the books--which I have not read--but since Littlefinger controls House Arryn I don't see anything good coming from their supporting House Stark to take back Winterfell.
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Assuming she did send a raven to Littefinger (likely she did), that's actually quite disappointing for her character. She's been through hell so it's understandable she's anxious to reclaim Winterfell, but you would have thought that she would have matured a bit and reuniting with Jon would make her become a bit more careful in her decisions. How many times can you trust Littlefinger before telling him to finally **** off?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[C DM]

Assuming she did send a raven to Littefinger (likely she did), that's actually quite disappointing for her character. She's been through hell so it's understandable she's anxious to reclaim Winterfell, but you would have thought that she would have matured a bit and reuniting with Jon would make her become a bit more careful in her decisions. How many times can you trust Littlefinger before telling him to finally **** off?

The "lesser" evil perhaps (at least on a more emotional, raw, and immediate sense)?

 

[giantfan1224]

I think Littlefinger is too obvious as the destination for Sansa's raven...

Maybe so but who else could it be and why?

 

[cdcastillo]

Last night's episode was one of my favorites. I particularly enjoyed:

• The cold open with the Hound's return. I think we're going to see a lot more of him.
• Olenna telling off Cersei. Cersei may seem calm lately, but she's a long, slow-burning fuse.
• Lady Lyanna Mormont facing Sansa, Jon, and Davos. Bella Ramsey nailed it.

I still don't understand why Arya was walking around Braavos like she was on a holiday, unless she was trying to lure the Waif out of the shadows. Even then, you'd figure Arya would have been more careful. I have to watch the scene again, but it seemed that the Waif's disguised face looked just like Melisandre's old face a few weeks ago. I wonder if there's some connection.

Exactly, as soon as I saw the old lady coming closer to Arya, my spidey-sense was tingling all over... It really was out of character for her to be that clueless and reckless

 

[thewitt]

Maybe so but who else could it be and why?

It certainly appears she is hiding this from Jon, but the Karstarks, Tulleys, even Tyrion come to mind...

 

[cdcastillo]

Maybe so but who else could it be and why?

I also thought it to be for littlefinger at first, but then maybe it was the edit of the preview, but I think it might have been destined for his great uncle the Black Fish...

 

[Huntn]

I don't know if you're referring to the books--which I have not read--but since Littlefinger controls House Arryn I don't see anything good coming from their supporting House Stark to take back Winterfell.
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My thoughts exactly.

I was not referencing the books, but I'll say that Littlefinger maneuvering to have Sansa marry Ramsay really pissed me off as a consolidation of the story in the show, that did not happen in the books. In the book, the Bolton's had a fake Sansa, and she (the real Sansa) was posing as Littlefinger's nease.

I'll agree that Littlefinger motives are not known in any case. Ultimately, he looks out for himself, but he was in love with Catlin Stark, and I thought he was infatuated with her daughter, and was looking out for her best interests, he saved her from probable death in King's Landing, but admittedly his true motivations are speculation. This is why the turn in the story of the HBO version bugs me a bit because it's a drastic alteration. In the end, it may not matter if Littlefinger is revealed to have no redeeming qualities.

 

[giantfan1224]

It certainly appears she is hiding this from Jon, but the Karstarks, Tulleys, even Tyrion come to mind...

1. Karstarks are hardcore anti-Stark since Robb chopped off their Lord's head.
2. Sansa already sent Brienne to the Tullys.
3. Does she even know where Tyrion is?
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I was not referencing the books, but I'll say that Littlefinger maneuvering to have Sansa marry Ramsay really pissed me off as a consolidation of the story in the show, that did not happen in the books. In the book, the Bolton's had a fake Sansa, and she (the real Sansa) was posing as Littlefinger's nease.

I'll agree that Littlefinger motives are not known in any case. Ultimately, he looks out for himself, but he was in love with Catlin Stark, and I thought he was infatuated with her daughter, and was looking out for her best interests, he saved her from probable death in King's Landing, but admittedly his true motivations are speculation. This is why the turn in the story of the HBO version bugs me a bit because it's a drastic alteration. In the end, it may not matter if Littlefinger is revealed to have no redeeming qualities.

Strictly from the standpoint of the TV viewer, we know Littlefinger cannot be trusted. Sansa standing up to him like she did was a big moment for her character's development and so sending him a raven now in desperation is very disappointing (I'm really hoping it's to someone else and perhaps it's a plot shift no one saw coming).

 

[Huntn]

1. Karstarks are hardcore anti-Stark since Robb chopped off their Lord's head.
2. Sansa already sent Brienne to the Tullys.
3. Does she even know where Tyrion is?
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Strictly from the standpoint of the TV viewer, we know Littlefinger cannot be trusted. Sansa standing up to him like she did was a big moment for her character's development and so sending him a raven now in desperation is very disappointing (I'm really hoping it's to someone else and perhaps it's a plot shift no one saw coming).

Well, they need soldiers to take Winterfell and beggars can't be choosers.

 

[anonymouslurker]

In the book, the Bolton's had a fake Sansa, and she (the real Sansa) was posing as Littlefinger's nease.

Fake Arya.

 

[C DM]

1. Karstarks are hardcore anti-Stark since Robb chopped off their Lord's head.
2. Sansa already sent Brienne to the Tullys.
3. Does she even know where Tyrion is?
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Strictly from the standpoint of the TV viewer, we know Littlefinger cannot be trusted. Sansa standing up to him like she did was a big moment for her character's development and so sending him a raven now in desperation is very disappointing (I'm really hoping it's to someone else and perhaps it's a plot shift no one saw coming).

Could be there to show how desperate the situation is and basically how much of a sacrifice the Starks are willing to make to try to take back Winterfell and the North.

 

[Huntn]

Fake Arya.

I think there likely is a fake Ayra and probably many of us have like minds.

 

[anonymouslurker]

I think there Likely is a fake Ayra.

No, I meant in the books, Ramsey marries Jeyne Poole, who is pretending to be Arya, not Sansa.

 

[Huntn]

No, I meant in the books, Ramsey marries Jeyne Poole, who is pretending to be Arya, not Sansa.

Oh... My mistake and apologies to all. Well, that's even more of a change.

 

[giantfan1224]

Could be there to show how desperate the situation is and basically how much of a sacrifice the Starks are willing to make to try to take back Winterfell and the North.

The Starks were desperate for Walder Frey's help. Twice. How'd that work out??

 

[ritmomundo]

Did anyone notice the first seconds of the scene when Arya is first on the screen walking towards the camera, 'a girl' walks to her right and away and then off camera. The clothes and hairstyle was exactly like Arya was sporting prior to this episode as a faceless man trainee.

Edit: I found a screenshot online...

Good catch! I doubt its a coincidence that they had an Arya look-alike walking offscreen just at that very moment.

I had a though last week that Arya and Jaqen might be setting a trap for the Waif (who clearly has had it out for Arya for a while now). This actually might support that.

Glad to see The Hound back. With this show, I feel like no death is final unless you see it (and even then, who knows with Melisandre around.. Speaking of, where did she go?).

 

[thewitt]

1. Karstarks are hardcore anti-Stark since Robb chopped off their Lord's head.
2. Sansa already sent Brienne to the Tullys.
3. Does she even know where Tyrion is?
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Strictly from the standpoint of the TV viewer, we know Littlefinger cannot be trusted. Sansa standing up to him like she did was a big moment for her character's development and so sending him a raven now in desperation is very disappointing (I'm really hoping it's to someone else and perhaps it's a plot shift no one saw coming).

Do you have to know where someone is to send a raven?

 

[yaxomoxay]

Do you have to know where someone is to send a raven?

well... ZIP codes are meaningless.

 

[C DM]

The Starks were desperate for Walder Frey's help. Twice. How'd that work out??

There's certainly all that, but it doesn't necessarily mean that desperation won't push them to try something like that (similarly to how it did before).

 

[Huntn]

Do you have to know where someone is to send a raven?

Unless they are super special ravens, a bird usually goes back to where it comes from... I thought.