Game of Thrones (HBO)

[Renzatic]

Finally! Awesome episode.
I think it was the Tyrells. It doesn't seem like Tyrion is responsible. We'll see.
Damn, a whole week to go...

The way the shot lingered on the Lenna Tyrell with the chalice right in front of her just before, I have almost no doubt it was them, or at least her acting alone. Though if I end up being wrong about that, I will go on record stating that the one person I'm sure it's not is Tyrion. The look on his face alone when Cersei accused him on the spot proved that to me. Beyond that, if it were his plan, I doubt he'd plant himself so obviously in front of everyone where he'd end up being the most immediate suspect afterwards.

 

[Huntn]

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The way the shot lingered on the Lenna Tyrell with the chalice right in front of her just before, I have almost no doubt it was them, or at least her acting alone. Though if I end up being wrong about that, I will go on record stating that the one person I'm sure it's not is Tyrion. The look on his face alone when Cersei accused him on the spot proved that to me. Beyond that, if it were his plan, I doubt he'd plant himself so obviously in front of everyone where he'd end up being the most immediate suspect afterwards.

I conquer! Initially I thought it was the pie when the brat said it was dry, but that was a mighty big pie. The way Tyrion was looking at the goblet after, the poison could have either been in the wine or dripped into the cup beforehand.

Spoiler image: The End

I read an article in EW that Jack Gleeson the guy who plays Joffrey spent a lot of his time on set apologizing to the other actors I guess for the foul character he plays.

 

[3lite]

I've read the books.

It was always going to be tricky to shoot this screen onscreen and not have it be obvious as to whodunit. I think the show did a pretty good job... it did feel rushed at certain parts.

If you watched this episode, and I really meat watch it without looking away and paying attention to every detail, and have been paying attention to every detail since last season and without forgetting anything, you can deduce who is involved and who is responsible and how everything went down.

Good luck to anyone who hasn't read the books and can't wait a week to find out to do that.

Funny thing is, you guys may not even find out who did it next week

 

[RawBert]

The way the shot lingered on the Lenna Tyrell with the chalice right in front of her just before, I have almost no doubt it was them, or at least her acting alone..

That's what I thought as well.
Also, Dontos looks like he's involved somehow, based on how quickly he got to the scene and came to Sansa's side.

Who will be the new king?
When it was happening, I thought Queen Margaery would be the sole ruler. But then I remembered that's not what happened when Robert Barathean died. Cerci didn't rule.

 

[3lite]

That's what I thought as well.
Also, Dontos looks like he's involved somehow, based on how quickly he got to the scene and came to Sansa's side.

Who will be the new king?
When it was happening, I thought Queen Margaery would be the sole ruler. But then I remembered that's not what happened when Robert Barathean died. Cerci didn't rule.

This is not a spoiler, since this is common sense in Westeros. Tommen will be the new king. Just like when Robert died and Joffrey succeeded him, Tommen the second son will take the throne even though Myrcella is older than him. Women cannot be rulers.

 

[RawBert]

This is not a spoiler, since this is common sense in Westeros. Tommen will be the new king. Just like when Robert died and Joffrey succeeded him, Tommen the second son will take the throne even though Myrcella is older than him. Women cannot be rulers.

Whoa!

 

[impulse462]

Finally! Awesome episode.
I think it was the Tyrells. It doesn't seem like Tyrion is responsible. We'll see.
Damn, a whole week to go...

I think (and hope) it was Sansa.

 

[Tsuchiya]

Goddamn Joffrey.

Can't wait to see how they handle the aftermath.

 

[malman89]

I've read the books.

It was always going to be tricky to shoot this screen onscreen and not have it be obvious as to whodunit. I think the show did a pretty good job... it did feel rushed at certain parts.

If you watched this episode, and I really meat watch it without looking away and paying attention to every detail, and have been paying attention to every detail since last season and without forgetting anything, you can deduce who is involved and who is responsible and how everything went down.

Good luck to anyone who hasn't read the books and can't wait a week to find out to do that.

Funny thing is, you guys may not even find out who did it next week

Love having read the books. For the first time, I noticed AV Club does two reviews for GoT - a Newbies review for people who didn't read the books and an experts review. Funny.

I don't think the wedding was rushed, though. It was practically half the episode, or an eternity in the GoT TV world.

 

[Huntn]

A grand send off, with ample reinforcement of what a worm this particular character was. At least it was not an end of the season cliff hanger. Not asking for hints, but some payback for Rob Stark would be appreciated too. There are some truly despicable characters in this show.

What I'm not clear on is what became of Robb Stark's army after he was killed?

 

[Tilpots]

What I'm not clear on is what became of Robb Stark's army after he was killed?

They were killed outside the wedding I believe.

I think it was the Jester. He knew what was going down and rushed Sansa out of there knowing the imp, her husband, would get the blame.

 

[Huntn]

They were killed outside the wedding I believe.

I think it was the Jester. He knew what was going down and rushed Sansa out of there knowing the imp, her husband, would get the blame.

I thought he had a smaller group with him. I did not realize it was his entire army.

The King's fool? Regarding Joffery's wedding, that might be a good guess.

 

[Tilpots]

I thought he had a smaller group with him. I did not realize i was his entire army.

The King's fool? Regarding Joffery's wedding, that might be a good guess.

Yeah, the Fool, he gave Sansa the necklace last ep. I thought that was odd he would have reappeared. So if it wasn't him, I guess his story line's about to get bigger.

And with the army, I think his army was crushed and the banner men that weren't there fled or gave up the fight. That's just an assumption, though...

 

[Huntn]

The King pointed at Tyrion. That was good enough for his Mum, but I imagine not for the rest of the family. I don't remember them showing any reaction from the King's Grandfather...

Good episode summary here

 

[Tsuchiya]

OK so I just read something about that episode which I thought was AWESOME.

The devil is in the details as they say, and it is subtlety revealed in the episode who might have done it.

Love it.

 

[3lite]

A grand send off, with ample reinforcement of what a worm this particular character was. At least it was not an end of the season cliff hanger. Not asking for hints, but some payback for Rob Stark would be appreciated too. There are some truly despicable characters in this show.

What I'm not clear on is what became of Robb Stark's army after he was killed?

Most of them were killed at the Red Wedding and once their leader died, most either fled to the Mermans or joined the Boltons who run Wintefell now.

If you think justice is ever served justifiably in the world of GoT, you certainly have not been paying attention.

 

[impulse462]

A grand send off, with ample reinforcement of what a worm this particular character was. At least it was not an end of the season cliff hanger. Not asking for hints, but some payback for Rob Stark would be appreciated too. There are some truly despicable characters in this show.

I agree. Robb had won all the battles against the Lannister army so the only way they figured they could kill him was this backhanded "betray your guests" deal. I hope Tywin pays for that, but I doubt it considering the nature of this whole series.

 

[Huntn]

Most of them were killed at the Red Wedding and once their leader died, most either fled to the Mermans or joined the Boltons who run Wintefell now.

If you think justice is ever served justifiably in the world of GoT, you certainly have not been paying attention.

I can express a desire without being critiqued for it.

I agree. Robb had won all the battles against the Lannister army so the only way they figured they could kill him was this backhanded "betray your guests" deal. I hope Tywin pays for that, but I doubt it considering the nature of this whole series.

We can always hope.

For anyone who has read all of the books, no spoilers please!

Although I've learned that it's not uncommon in this story for those built up as heroes or favorites are going to meet grisly ends, but at least bad guys do too. Here is my thinking, unless the author plans on really upsetting his audience, which he might, I have to believe that Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons are going to be involved in the final conflict or her story would be a huge waste of time.

With Robb and Renley gone, the only likely heroes left are her, Bran, Jon Snow and possibly Tyrion Lannister or Brienne of Tarth. So I know that "likely" means nada, but I predict that Daenerys will be there at the end. By the looks of it, she has a kick-ass army and by the time she gets back ,some very large dragons if she can get them to obey her commands.

Who will win ultimately? Knowing this author's method of shock treatment, I hope it is someone "good". If a s*** turns out to be the King at the end (as we've all ready seen), I'm going to be sorely disappointed, but I have to hope that Mr. Martin has it within him to produce an acceptable/happy ending. Readers don't normally like to put this much emotional investment into what turns out to be a longterm tragedy.

 

[Renzatic]

Snip

You're forgetting the biggest monkeys in the wrench: the White Walkers, the coming of Winter, and the return of magic to the world. If there's any one reason to believe this will turn out in an entirely unexpected fashion, it'll be because of all these things coming together towards the end.

I've happened across a couple of spoilers here and there, mostly from people who've read the books and have BIG DAMN MOUTHS, and I do know there's a character that's bound to show up soon that we have don't even have an inkling of a warning about.

 

[alent1234]

I can express a desire without being critiqued for it.



We can always hope.

For anyone who has read all of the books, no spoilers please!

Although I've learned that it's not uncommon in this story for those built up as heroes or favorites are going to meet grisly ends, but at least bad guys do too. Here is my thinking, unless the author plans on really upsetting his audience, which he might, I have to believe that Daenerys Targaryen and her dragons are going to be involved in the final conflict or her story would be a huge waste of time.

With Robb and Renley gone, the only likely heroes left are her, Bran, Jon Snow and possibly Tyrion Lannister or Brienne of Tarth. So I know that "likely" means nada, but I predict that Daenerys will be there at the end. By the looks of it, she has a kick-ass army and by the time she gets back ,some very large dragons if she can get them to obey her commands.

Who will win ultimately? Knowing this author's method of shock treatment, I hope it is someone "good". If a s*** turns out to be the King at the end (as we've all ready seen), I'm going to be sorely disappointed, but I have to hope that Mr. Martin has it within him to produce an acceptable/happy ending. Readers don't normally like to put this much emotional investment into what turns out to be a longterm tragedy.

i read the books and Stannis and Bran take larger roles towards the end

 

[AustinIllini]

(I haven't read the books). There's way too much indication that Sansa was used to bring the poison into the wedding in her hair. The old lady took the poison from Sansa's hair and sat down.

When Tyrion first gave Joffrey the wine, it didn't poison Joffrey, so clearly it wasn't spiked on Sansa/Cersei's side of the table. When the cake is brought in, Joffrey puts the wine on the table next to who else? The old lady. Next time he picks up the cup: Dead Joffrey.

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The way the shot lingered on the Lenna Tyrell with the chalice right in front of her just before, I have almost no doubt it was them, or at least her acting alone. Though if I end up being wrong about that, I will go on record stating that the one person I'm sure it's not is Tyrion. The look on his face alone when Cersei accused him on the spot proved that to me. Beyond that, if it were his plan, I doubt he'd plant himself so obviously in front of everyone where he'd end up being the most immediate suspect afterwards.

Agreed. She has at least one really ironic line in there.

 

[Renzatic]

Agreed. She has at least one really ironic line in there.

I just got through watching the last 20 minutes, and 3lite's right. If you pay enough attention, it all but spells it out for us. The Tyrells are obviously the fulcrum on which the whole plot turned. Sansa likely had a part, since she had come to trust the Tyrells over the last season, and had more reasons than most for wanting to see Joffrey dead. Sir Dontos, feeling both indebted to Sansa for saving his life, and not being too big a fan of Joffrey for making him a literal and figurative fool, helped her out in some way, probably at her request.

The vaguely middle eastern couple who's name I can't recall at the moment, are probably a red herring. I'm thinking they might end up doing something to one of the Lannisters (I'm thinking they'll eventually off Tywin), but a poisoning is too subtle for them. If they killed Joffrey, they'd want the Lannisters to know it's them who did it.

...or they could've been the ones who provided the poison. Who knows?

Though it doesn't spell it out directly, that final scene does make it fairly obvious who's involved.

edit: I should also add that the Tyrells did have something to gain from all of this, and they didn't kill Joffrey simply as an act of altruism, stopping a cruel tyrant before he fully hit his stride. Margery is now, by law, a Baratheon. Though she won't take the throne directly, she will be the queen regent until Joffrey's younger brother marries. Though I doubt Cersei will willingly give up her hold on power, Margery, and thus the Tyrells, have a legitimate claim to the throne.

 

[alent1234]

(I haven't read the books). There's way too much indication that Sansa was used to bring the poison into the wedding in her hair. The old lady took the poison from Sansa's hair and sat down.

When Tyrion first gave Joffrey the wine, it didn't poison Joffrey, so clearly it wasn't spiked on Sansa/Cersei's side of the table. When the cake is brought in, Joffrey puts the wine on the table next to who else? The old lady. Next time he picks up the cup: Dead Joffrey.

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Agreed. She has at least one really ironic line in there.

not going to say who poisoned him, but in the books it wasn't sansa

the reason dontos took her is she is of value to someone else. who ever marries her controls winterfell

 

[AustinIllini]

not going to say who poisoned him, but in the books it wasn't sansa

the reason dontos took her is she is of value to someone else. who ever marries her controls winterfell

I doubt Sansa had any idea what was going on, but she doesn't do her own hair, either.

 

[Renzatic]

Who will win ultimately? Knowing this author's method of shock treatment, I hope it is someone "good". If a s*** turns out to be the King at the end (as we've all ready seen), I'm going to be sorely disappointed, but I have to hope that Mr. Martin has it within him to produce an acceptable/happy ending. Readers don't normally like to put this much emotional investment into what turns out to be a longterm tragedy.

To quote someone on the other forum I hit up, all the major characters will be dead by the end, and Hot Pie will be the only one left to take the throne.