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S6 Finale- Ends with a bang on several fronts, well beyond book territory I think.

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I loved how the high Septor wore no shoes and was plain.
after watching a USAtv pastor plead for money behind a multi million dollar set
and expensive suit before a football match,
i realized how HBO was on to something of value and truth!

a good reason to watch this show indeed!
 

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I loved how the high Septor wore no shoes and was plain.
after watching a USAtv pastor plead for money behind a multi million dollar set
and expensive suit before a football match,
i realized how HBO was on to something of value and truth!

a good reason to watch this show indeed!
I remember that confidence he always had, then this momentary look of ah-ohh just prior to the commencement of Cerci’s trial with an absent Cerci. :oops:
 

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S8E2 A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms- A very sentimental episode waiting for the Night King at Winterfell, well worth it. :)
 
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S8E3 The Long Night- The most elaborate battle of the series, and about 15 minute to long to pound into the viewers head the hopelessness of it all. 😉
 
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S8E3 The Long Night- The most elaborate battle of the series, and about 15 minute to long to pound into the viewers head the hopelessness of it all. 😉

S8E5-6 The Bells+ The Iron Throne- Is Daenerys Targaryen mad?
  • She discovers she is not the true heir.
  • Everyone loves John Snow, and nobody in Westeros loves her, not as one of their own.
  • And now that he knows that the Dragon Queen is his aunt, he can no longer sleep with her.
  • Plus Milasandra is dead, and she truly feels alone.
  • Daenerys finally gets smart about dragon deployment, but…
  • The bells toll signaling the surrender of Kings Landing, Daenerys flips and decides to burn them all.
  • … and then decides to tear down most of the big beautiful Red Keep.
The answer: if not mad then epecially, murderously driven to the point of folly. The wealth generation of a city like Kings Landing was too great to throw away.

So clearly at the end she and her dragon ran amuck to rule over a ruin. Up to this point Daenerys Targaryen had alway acted rationally, worried about the downtrodden, and acted a recognizable moral compass until Kings Landing. Was it better to surprise the audience with this flip in personality, or build up to it, giving them a clue in advance?

I’ll give the writers a break, and say they did the best with what they were tasked to do.

I still strenuously object to Bran being chosen King. He had done nothing but become a seer, and had done nothing that would inspire the nobility as having leadership qualities And they send Jon Snow to the Night’s Watch? Lol.

Here’s a question, with the Night King dead, is there still a need for the Night’s watch and a 900’ wall?
I still prefer this ending :):

 
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Here’s a question, with the Night King dead, is there still a need for the Night’s watch and a 900’ wall?
I still prefer this ending :):

Theres could be more forest nymphs, who created the Night King.
and walls are good!
what....did n't the whyte walker dragon burn down the wall?
i need to see those final episode again, after season 4,5,6,7 i guess
 

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Theres could be more forest nymphs, who created the Night King.
and walls are good!
what....did n't the whyte walker dragon burn down the wall?
i need to see those final episode again, after season 4,5,6,7 i guess
Good point. Regarding the NK, he knocked down part of the wall at East Watch. My understanding was magic was used to build this wall or at least that was mentioned. Now maybe dead dragon fire counters magic? With the status of the Night Watch, I don’t see the wall being fixed anytime soon.
 
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I don’t recall magic being used to build the wall but I’m not the super expert either. The last two seasons are an honest representation of not having any written foundation in form of books anymore and while they contain lots of action and whatnot the overall quality of the storytelling has gone down.

And of course Mr Martin still hasn’t completed the books… he’ll do a Robert Jordan on us before we know.
 

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I don’t recall magic being used to build the wall but I’m not the super expert either. The last two seasons are an honest representation of not having any written foundation in form of books anymore and while they contain lots of action and whatnot the overall quality of the storytelling has gone down.

And of course Mr Martin still hasn’t completed the books… he’ll do a Robert Jordan on us before we know.
I read a theory that he has so many active plot lines that he won't even be able to finish it with two books and I honestly don't doubt it. I was quite surprised that the last book started yet another unnecessary plot line with Jon Connington/Young Griff....why? He should have been winding down the story instead of starting a new mess he can't write his way out of. I've mostly lost interest and have zero faith that the books will be finished. His writing technique is what screwed him up as he admittedly just writes with no clue where he story is going. He has literally said that if he knew where the story was going, he'd get bored of writing it. I'm no writer but I bet most would be flabbergasted at such a notion.
 
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I read a theory that he has so many active plot lines that he won't even be able to finish it with two books and I honestly don't doubt it. I was quite surprised that the last book started yet another unnecessary plot line with Jon Connington/Young Griff....why? He should have been winding down the story instead of starting a new mess he can't write his way out of. I've mostly lost interest and have zero faith that the books will be finished. His writing technique is what screwed him up as he admittedly just writes with no clue where he story is going. He has literally said that if he knew where the story was going, he'd get bored of writing it. I'm no writer but I bet most would be flabbergasted at such a notion.

Agree fully on the mess with the plot lines. It’ll be a wonder if he gets out of it with style.
 

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S8E3 The Long Night- The most elaborate battle of the series, and about 15 minute to long to pound into the viewers head the hopelessness of it all. 😉

S8E5-6 The Bells+ The Iron Throne- Is Daenerys Targaryen mad?
  • She discovers she is not the true heir.
  • Everyone loves John Snow, and nobody in Westeros loves her, not as one of their own.
  • And now that he knows that the Dragon Queen is his aunt, he can no longer sleep with her.
  • Plus Milasandra is dead, and she truly feels alone.
  • Daenerys finally gets smart about dragon deployment, but…
  • The bells toll signaling the surrender of Kings Landing, Daenerys flips and decides to burn them all.
  • … and then decides to tear down most of the big beautiful Red Keep.
The answer: if not mad then epecially, murderously driven to the point of folly. The wealth generation of a city like Kings Landing was too great to throw away.

So clearly at the end she and her dragon ran amuck to rule over a ruin. Up to this point Daenerys Targaryen had alway acted rationally, worried about the downtrodden, and acted a recognizable moral compass until Kings Landing. Was it better to surprise the audience with this flip in personality, or build up to it, giving them a clue in advance?

I’ll give the writers a break, and say they did the best with what they were tasked to do.

I still strenuously object to Bran being chosen King. He had done nothing but become a seer, and had done nothing that would inspire the nobility as having leadership qualities And they send Jon Snow to the Night’s Watch? Lol.

Here’s a question, with the Night King dead, is there still a need for the Night’s watch and a 900’ wall?
I still prefer this ending :):


So you still prefer that ending, but a question for you.

How did Season 7 and 8 hold up after watching all of the series together? Better than when you first watched them piecemeal as the episodes came out?
 

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Good point. Regarding the NK, he knocked down part of the wall at East Watch. My understanding was magic was used to build this wall or at least that was mentioned. Now maybe dead dragon fire counters magic? With the status of the Night Watch, I don’t see the wall being fixed anytime soon.
maybe the new game of thrones series might cover this?
 
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So you still prefer that ending, but a question for you.

How did Season 7 and 8 hold up after watching all of the series together? Better than when you first watched them piecemeal as the episodes came out?
Yes, in one of my recent posts I gave a concession that the writers did the best they could with what they were tasked with. I believe the Night King should have been the primary big fight, and that the snap decision of Daenerys to burn down Kings Landing especially after they surrendered was totally contrary to everything she had done before, hence my critique, but yes, it could of happened that way. :)
 

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It will be interesting to see if they can gather the same level of magic for this new series as the old one had. I suppose the author has just handed over the keys to his creation for a big pile of $$$.

Looks like a complete invention without Martin’s books - if the last seasons of GOT are any indication this one will be similar to that.
 
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Huntn

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I don’t recall magic being used to build the wall but I’m not the super expert either. The last two seasons are an honest representation of not having any written foundation in form of books anymore and while they contain lots of action and whatnot the overall quality of the storytelling has gone down.

And of course Mr Martin still hasn’t completed the books… he’ll do a Robert Jordan on us before we know.
A good question, is how much of a framework and how much leeway the author gave HBO? I assume the keys to the castle.

It might have been learned Samwell Tarley who said the wall is not just a pile of ice but is infused or built with magic, but I won’t swear to it. 🤔
 

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Well, there were some pretty serious deviations from the books throughout the show, some essential to keeping the american audiences from burning down the studio, but after season 4, it was well within fan fiction territory. If Martin ever does finish his story, which is possible but should be done over a couple books, someone can decide if anyone still cares enough to make a couple series or films out of them to fix the mess. At that point, the new series would have to make the case that the old story post season4 was being written by a partisan court historian from Kings Landing written to glorify the new & appropriately nervous unqualified leadership, and you're off and running. It'd all be possible, but at what cost, and at this point, what percentage of the fanbase still exists to tune in to watch it?
 
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S8E3 The Long Night- The most elaborate battle of the series, and about 15 minute to long to pound into the viewers head the hopelessness of it all. 😉

S8E5-6 The Bells+ The Iron Throne- Is Daenerys Targaryen mad?
  • She discovers she is not the true heir.
  • Everyone loves John Snow, and nobody in Westeros loves her, not as one of their own.
  • And now that he knows that the Dragon Queen is his aunt, he can no longer sleep with her.
  • Plus Milasandra is dead, and she truly feels alone.
  • Daenerys finally gets smart about dragon deployment, but…
  • The bells toll signaling the surrender of Kings Landing, Daenerys flips and decides to burn them all.
  • … and then decides to tear down most of the big beautiful Red Keep.
The answer: if not mad then epecially, murderously driven to the point of folly. The wealth generation of a city like Kings Landing was too great to throw away.

So clearly at the end she and her dragon ran amuck to rule over a ruin. Up to this point Daenerys Targaryen had alway acted rationally, worried about the downtrodden, and acted a recognizable moral compass until Kings Landing. Was it better to surprise the audience with this flip in personality, or build up to it, giving them a clue in advance?
The timing of the rampage makes no sense. Give us a slow build up to see the decent into madness or give a traumatic incident that triggers the madness. The opposing army surrendering hardly qualifies as trauma. Horrible writing. Melisandra's death should have been the trigger. She was Danny's closest confidant and friend.

I’ll give the writers a break, and say they did the best with what they were tasked to do.
I don't. I could forgive thin plotline, becauase George already had that outlined. But the complete lack of quality dialogue--unforgivable. George ain't the only wordsmith around and there was enough details about the characters to come up with words for them that fits their personalities. Throughout the final 2 seasons, I barely counted 3 clever quips out of the Halfman. That's fewer than in the first episode.😬

I still strenuously object to Bran being chosen King. He had done nothing but become a seer, and had done nothing that would inspire the nobility as having leadership qualities And they send Jon Snow to the Night’s Watch? Lol.
I second that. From the cast of leftovers, Jon is most qualified. Not only is he the rightful heir, he's possess the leadership and compassion of both his fathers (Ned and Rhaegar). IMO, Rhaegar would have made an ideal king, beloved by both nobles and smallfolk. I can never forgive Robert for killing him after finding out what a great man the guy was.

Here’s a question, with the Night King dead, is there still a need for the Night’s watch and a 900’ wall?
IMO, there would be a temporary need to keep the Wildlings from raiding the North until they can be repatriated into civilized Westerose. There are also those pesky Children of the Forest who created the first Night King. They might try to create Night King 2.0 whom they can control.🤔
 
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The timing of the rampage makes no sense. Give us a slow build up to see the decent into madness or give a traumatic incident that triggers the madness. The opposing army surrendering hardly qualifies as trauma. Horrible writing. Melisandra's death should have been the trigger. She was Danny's closest confidant and friend.


I don't. I could forgive thin plotline, becauase George already had that outlined. But the complete lack of quality dialogue--unforgivable. George ain't the only wordsmith around and there was enough details about the characters to come up with words for them that fits their personalities. Throughout the final 2 seasons, I barely counted 3 clever quips out of the Halfman. That's fewer than in the first episode.😬


I second that. From the cast of leftovers, Jon is most qualified. Not only is he the rightful heir, he's possess the leadership and compassion of both his fathers (Ned and Rhaegar). IMO, Rhaegar would have made an ideal king, beloved by both nobles and smallfolk. I can never forgive Robert for killing him after finding out what a great man the guy was.


IMO, there would be a temporary need to keep the Wildlings from raiding the North until they can be repatriated into civilized Westerose. There are also those pesky Children of the Forest who created the first Night King. They might try to create Night King 2.0 whom they can control.🤔
I may be confused, but it seemed like there were CoF hanging out with the Three Eyed Raven when they were being attacked by the NK. Maybe they had second thoughts about their creation and what the greater good means? :)
 

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I may be confused, but it seemed like there were CoF hanging out with the Three Eyed Raven when they were being attacked by the NK. Maybe they had second thoughts about their creation and what the greater good means? :)
They were. I saw that episode this week. Maybe just different CoF? Or they saw the error of their ways?
Anyway we started season 5 today.
 
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