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I have a question, and I hope I don't sound rude or anything, but seeing as I travel to SF daily and see such things, I must ask. Do you consider transsexuals as gay? I mean, if they think they were born the wrong sex, and are attracted to their same sex, does that make them gay? Or what? I don't know what to think on this, as my friend (Gay) explained the situation (Of how they think they're in the wrong body) and he himself couldn't come to a conclusion. Also for those who get an operation, does their new sex reflect legally? Or is it just a cosmetic thing?



Oh, and I don't get the whole circumcision thing either, other than "It runs in the family". Why mutilate a penis?
 
Chicago bound officially!

Reservations are made. Will be flying in on the morning of Oct 16th at 9:30AM, staying at the Days Inn at Derversy and Clark (watch out Boystown!). Depart 3:0PM on Tuesday the 18th. Now all I have to do is pln everything that I am going to do in 2 1/2 days.
 
(Out of order, but was excited on getting my hotel and flight booked for next weekend.)

Wow, I step away, and look what happens. :D

Rainman hit it on the head (no pun intended).

I am cut, a product of the late 50's early 60's mentality. Preference none really, since most if not all of my peers were cut, and uncut was sort of a surprise to enjoy.
 
blaskillet4 said:
I have a question, and I hope I don't sound rude or anything, but seeing as I travel to SF daily and see such things, I must ask. Do you consider transsexuals as gay? I mean, if they think they were born the wrong sex, and are attracted to their same sex, does that make them gay? Or what? I don't know what to think on this, as my friend (Gay) explained the situation (Of how they think they're in the wrong body) and he himself couldn't come to a conclusion. Also for those who get an operation, does their new sex reflect legally? Or is it just a cosmetic thing?

This opens an area of transgender and transsexual individuals. Sometimes the lines are hard to see and understand.

(see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual)

I will speak from my own experiences. Transexuals are not viewed by myself as being "Gay". They saw a internal need to be the opposite sex from what they were born with. And some (maybe most, Vinow (sp?) will correct me) will seek surgery to correct that. Transgender on the other hand is a different situation. They may or may not identify totally with the feeling of "being in the wrong body". But the few I have met want the best of "both" worlds.

At least here in the DC area Transsexuals want to live their lives as women. Relationship wise these women just want a man (or woman) to love them. Transgendered want to be a part of the Gay community.
 
You know, I would like to tallk to a Transgendered person, see what its like for them. I think of them as a part of the LGBT community.

On the side--Brian - I'm pretty sure was something close to the username - started this thread. Way to go Brian. The more I read on here, the more I feel at home. Feel real, not just some person, no name, no face - even though everyone sees me as this highly regarded person because of my logical knowledge with computers - I feel complete being on this forum. And my eyes are getting watered up, but I'm glad I came here and didn't leave - like I was going to because of the tolerance of persons, but this thread has changed us, and everyone really.
 
slooksterPSV said:
You know, I would like to tallk to a Transgendered person, see what its like for them. I think of them as a part of the LGBT community.

On the side--Brian - I'm pretty sure was something close to the username - started this thread. Way to go Brian. The more I read on here, the more I feel at home. Feel real, not just some person, no name, no face - even though everyone sees me as this highly regarded person because of my logical knowledge with computers - I feel complete being on this forum. And my eyes are getting watered up, but I'm glad I came here and didn't leave - like I was going to because of the tolerance of persons, but this thread has changed us, and everyone really.


I have known both Transexuals and Transgenders in my many years. I even dated a guy for a while that sought to be a part of the O'Hara drag queen "family" here in the DC area.

The Transgendered seemed to me a pretty interesting bunch. For the ones I met, each had their own reasonings, needs, and desires in going that route. Some were part of the Drag-Queen community. And wanted to have the cleavage for their nights out. Others were torn between wanting to be both male and female. Others looked at it as a financial opportunity to complete the road to being a Transsexual.

Your last comment is why I stuck my neck out to ask if it were time for a GLT forum here on MR. For I know the need of wanting to belong. And it seems that the mods here, and for the most part the other members are willing to give us some space here, to be ourselves.

My reason for the "segregation" was in oder to for others not to have to wade through 2000 posts. It would have been my hope that a Gay sub-forum could have had rules that did not allow for "Gay baiting" and the such; much like the freedom we have had in this thread so far.

Having our own sub-forum may have opened the possibility of others feeling more free to discuss topics. In hindsight I look back and see that my idea was based on American values and morals that make it hard for us as Gays and Lesbians to be ourselves.

For me it was hard to make such a request. Since I had found such fellowship among my MR "family" with all that I had gone through with my ex during the last year or so. But never would I have posted a thread in the general community forums about cut vs. uncut, or Transgender vs. Transsexual.

TMI, IMO for the timid here, or maybe the narrow minded.

YOur fighting back the tears shows that you are now part of the MR family. I have cried many times here. Over job losses, over marriages that were headed for divorce, announcements of a Cancer diagnosis, recounting of the love during WWII between ones father and and their mother.

That is the reason some of us made the step to become part of the community by contributing finically to MR. For myself, it was the only time that I did such a thing.

Welcome aboard. And know that we are here for both the joyous times in your life, and in the darkest too.
 
Hetro thread question for the GayWay

So what body parts draws your interest most? Lets try to keep it clean. :)

For me it is a mixed bag depending on the guy.

Attitude, both personal (private) and public (overall "attitude") plays a big part. Love shaved heads. On lean guys, a six-pack set is totally hot. On us bigger guys, I like a nice big butt or a beer belly that hangs out and is firm. Also a guy that has wall-to-wall fur (very heavily "carpeted") gets bonus points in being comfortable with himself.

I guess much in the way I admire "larger" women that have attitude and style to carry it off.
 
I like lean and sometimes some muscular visual to him. Not like Mr. Universe, but more like the guys on Queer As Folk - love that show - that they show in the clubs. They aren't super super buff but they still have muscle. - As for personality - a somewhat witty attitude, not afraid to speak their mind, but still be emotionally involved. I like hair to be no longer than 8" at max (hair as long as Erik Von Detten's is perfect), but I'm not really into guys who shave their heads. Sorry. As for facial hair shaved would be prefered, but depending on how much of a goatee they have - that depends.
My style in guys has changed so much, it varies with guy to guy.

His eyes draw me the most. God I love when they have the perfect eyes. I crumble beneathe them
 
Guitarius said:
I have a friend who isn't circumcised. Scared the hell out of me to tell you the truth...


I never understood this. I guess it depends on where/who you grew up around. But the way I see it is, the penis was meant to have skin around it. Its there for a reason, and ALL guys were born with one. I find it odd how people find a natural/non-moded penis odd...
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
So what body parts draws your interest most? Lets try to keep it clean. :)

Probably shoulders. I love nice broad shoulders. :)

I absolutely love shaved heads. Long hair really turns me off. Anything longer than 4 inches is too long for me. Long hair seems very feminine to me.

I'm not attracted to skinny guys, as I've said a couple times already. I guess it seems womanly to me? Muscle is good, but only if there is fat. Muscle men with 2% body fat is just unnatural and gross.

Hairy chests are good, and I don't mind a hairy back. Hairless chests are okay too. Hair/Hairless both have advantages/disadvantages.

A muscular stomach that isn't a 6-pack is sexier than a 6 pack, IMO. But 6 packs are sexy too :).

I like a mixture of hardness and softness. All fat is not attractive, nor is all muscle. But take a large, well muscled guy, put a natural and thin but cozy layer of fat on him and then let me use his chest as a pillow and have him wrap me up in love and that's perfection.

Sigh... Makes me all warm inside just to think about it. A perfect note to go to bed on ;). Goodnight all.

_Emerson
 
I don't consider a transexual person to be gay, and I don't really associate myself anymore with transexual people than I do with straight people when it comes to identity.

However, gay people and transexual people have a lot in common, too. Both groups struggle with acceptance in society, both gay people and transexual people usually go through a period in their life where they have to come to terms with who they are and for all I know homosexuality and transsexuality may be biologically related.

And like others have mentioned, transgendered people blurs the picture, I guess similarly to the way bisexual people blur the picture between gay and straight.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
So what body parts draws your interest most? Lets try to keep it clean. :)
It varies.

Brain, bodylanguage and face is most important, but physically I find a well proportioned upper body to be attractive. And on some guys the ass and thighs can get me started.

I agree with much of what Emerson writes. I like natural muscles that are not built to the extreme in a gym. Not that I think there's anything wrong with working out at a gym as long as the workouts are varied and balanced.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
So what body parts draws your interest most? Lets try to keep it clean. :)


boobs!


Um, seriously....necks are really hot...a girl with a smooth, lean neck, all kissable....mmmm.

Sorry boys. Wanted to pipe in, seems like all the other girls stopped posting... :(
 
question fear said:
boobs!


Um, seriously....necks are really hot...a girl with a smooth, lean neck, all kissable....mmmm.

Sorry boys. Wanted to pipe in, seems like all the other girls stopped posting... :(
Oh yeah, necks can be very hot! Nice to hear from a girl, too, in this male dominated thread.
 
I think by very nature the transgendered are included in LGBT, it's what the T stands for :) Perhaps it's not entirely accurate, from an academic view, that they be included in a group of sexual-orientation when it's a matter of gender-identity, but it's widely accepted that transgendered rights be a included as part of "gay rights" as they're too small a voice on their own (hell, gay people are too small a voice, we all gotta stick together here). And this blurs the line, and it makes people think all gay people want gender-reassignment surgery, etc. Of course there's nothing wrong with having the surgery, it's just one notch higher than being gay on the "hard to accept" scale for the general population... I think many people regard it as being a fetish, a misconception that would evaporate if they spent even 5 minutes with a gender-changed person... Even tho most of them have, they just don't know it. One of the biggest problems I see with transgendered activism is that naturally these people want to begin their new life, which means being accepted as the new gender, so they stop doing activism. I mean, who would want to continue to be ostracized when you have a chance to fit in? So the bulk of transgendered activists are basically pre-op, not necessarily an emotionally-put-together time you want to be standing up in front of the world demanding equality...
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
Reservations are made. Will be flying in on the morning of Oct 16th at 9:30AM, staying at the Days Inn at Derversy and Clark (watch out Boystown!). Depart 3:0PM on Tuesday the 18th. Now all I have to do is pln everything that I am going to do in 2 1/2 days.

Welcome chip! We'll have to meet Sunday for dinner or something.
 
Wow- on the topic of body types. About the only thing I don't like is hairy-sorry chip! ;) I've dated all kinds of guys though, from stocky to skinny. One guy, who had red hair and was slightly overweight had me under his thumb for a long time. He fit my chunky businessman fetish (I honestly don't know where that comes from!). I don't know why I liked him so much, he wasn't that good-looking at all or all that interesting. Something about him just turned me on. He left me for a girl on account he was bisexual. Bummer.
 
question fear said:
Sorry boys. Wanted to pipe in, seems like all the other girls stopped posting... :(
All that discussion about penises must have driven them away. :D
 
leekohler said:
I have the same problem. I don't enjoy getting oral either. So it really works? Did you talk to your doctor first?

Yep, it really works. No, I didn´t talk to my doctor first.

The process is pretty basic really it´s just a matter of stretching the skin to the point where it starts to grow, not unlike people with huge holes in their ears etc.

I haven´t been as diligent as I could have been, I´m sure the process would go faster but it is a hassle at times. I´s made a huge difference though. I highly recommend giving it a try.
 
MontyZ said:
All that discussion about penises must have driven them away. :D

probably. but after spending my last two years of college living with/hanging out with lots of man-obsessed gay boys, penis talk doesn't bother me so much. just makes me want to talk about how much better girls are...;-)
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
So what body parts draws your interest most? Lets try to keep it clean. :)

.

Bums. Big cushiony bums. Necks and hands and legs are also on the list.

Hairiness, hmm, it just depends upon the guy. I dated one guy who was a total blonde furball and it was fine, but some guys hairiness is a turn off. I guess its a matter of person first, characteristics second.
 
leekohler said:
He fit my chunky businessman fetish (I honestly don't know where that comes from!)
Haha. That's interesting :).

While on the topic of fetishes, what are y'all's fetishes? Let's keep this one clean too. I have 2 fetishes:

1) Blind guys. I really want to date a blind guy. Imagine how sensitive your body is to touch if you are blind. Plus, I think a blind person would have a really enlightened and unique perspective on this world and life in general. So, I want to date a blind guy one day :).

2) Cuddling. I really would rather cuddle than have sex. I have no experience in either sex or cuddling, however, so this is all theoretical.

_Emerson
 
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