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You still make an investment in buying an AppleTV...I dont see the difference here, only that the PS3 is delivering the best quality. If you dont care about the best quality, then the AppleTV is fine...

Why are we back to video quality? The :apple:TV is about convenience and content. Nobody has made the argument that downloaded content is equal to the quality of BD.

As of today, what if I want to watch the latest episode of Lost that I do not currently have in my library. On the :apple:TV, all I have to do is select the the episode. Within 10 seconds it's buffered, available for play back and later added automatically to my permanent archive. As a bonus, the next morning I can participate in the 'water cooler' chat. :cool:
For BD, I wait 6 months or more, rent the disc but watch the episode in amazing quality.

Both have there pros and cons. For me the :apple:TV is my primary TV watching device while a BD player may eventually become a secondary.
 
HAHAHHA I just had to post at what a good laugh I had at this. I have both a PS3 and 360 (don't have an aTV) and I think the PS3's media center is a joke!!! The 360 beats it in everyway as far as being used as a media center, and from what I've seen of the appleTV, that beats the 360.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.
 
HAHAHHA I just had to post at what a good laugh I had at this. I have both a PS3 and 360 (don't have an aTV) and I think the PS3's media center is a joke!!! The 360 beats it in everyway as far as being used as a media center, and from what I've seen of the appleTV, that beats the 360.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

The Xbox 360 I had was noisy and couldn't be a media center at all. I do have Connect360 tho.
 
I have both a PS3 and an ATV. Each has their uses.

PS3 is great for both DVD and Blu-Ray playback. The upscaler does a very nice job and makes standard DVD's look much better. The fact that is also happens to play games is just icing on the cake (I have one of the early models--it also plays all of my PS1 and PS2 titles). Besides being a good quality disc player, it can accept firmware updates which keeps it current with the newest Blu-Ray specs or adds new functionality.

I use my ATV mostly for music and pictures. Add music to my iTunes library or add pictures to my Aperture library and they get added to my ATV without any fuss. I can change/add playlists or slideshows on my Mac and the changes seemlessly get transferred to the ATV. Watching vacation slideshows on the TV with family and friends is much more convenient (and pleasing) than standing huddled around a computer monitor. For this alone, the ATV was worth it for me. The movie rental aspect is a nice bonus. Quality is good enough and it's convenient.

For me the two devices play very different roles. I'm happy I have both.
 
I have both a PS3 and an ATV. Each has their uses.

PS3 is great for both DVD and Blu-Ray playback. The upscaler does a very nice job and makes standard DVD's look much better. The fact that is also happens to play games is just icing on the cake (I have one of the early models--it also plays all of my PS1 and PS2 titles). Besides being a good quality disc player, it can accept firmware updates which keeps it current with the newest Blu-Ray specs or adds new functionality.

I use my ATV mostly for music and pictures. Add music to my iTunes library or add pictures to my Aperture library and they get added to my ATV without any fuss. I can change/add playlists or slideshows on my Mac and the changes seemlessly get transferred to the ATV. Watching vacation slideshows on the TV with family and friends is much more convenient (and pleasing) than standing huddled around a computer monitor. For this alone, the ATV was worth it for me. The movie rental aspect is a nice bonus. Quality is good enough and it's convenient.

For me the two devices play very different roles. I'm happy I have both.

Interested if you, or anyone with both, have used both for video file playback (say of home movies and DVD-rips)? Are they comparable for this function?

I was keen on the ATV until it suddenly occurred to me that I could use a PS3 for this to along with it's other benefits (PS3 can also be attached to a non-hdtv)
 
@MagicWok
Honestly, I haven't looked into PlayTV very much. Mostly because there are no plans for a US release.
For me it is not an interesting solution since it's just a PVR cable box that is limited by being attached to a PS3. It doesn't do anything that hasn't been done year ago, it just does it with a PS3 instead of a separate device. At least initially, it's a significant step backwards from using a dedicated device since it can't record TV while playing a game. Whether or not this can be added in the future, is a critical question that needs to be answered before it can be seriously considered.

But in the end, you still need your cable TV service. It doesn't change the way you watch TV.

I try to be objective about technologies and stay away from blind brand loyalty. That said, I really feel that Apple is leading the industry in delivering on-demand TV over the internet in a consumer friendly manner (at least in the US). This is still a very new area of media distribution and as such is may not meet everyone's needs. So far, I have been extremely satisfied.

As a side note - A big issue seams to be which side of the ocean you live on.

In the US:
Apple has a solid solution that is available today
Sony has little more then some vague talk that something may happen at some point in the future

In Europe:
Apple has dropped the ball and offers very little to compel user
Sony has clear plans with the PlayTV device and is at least exploring options
 
Interested if you, or anyone with both, have used both for video file playback (say of home movies and DVD-rips)? Are they comparable for this function?

I was keen on the ATV until it suddenly occurred to me that I could use a PS3 for this to along with it's other benefits (PS3 can also be attached to a non-hdtv)

Both do this job fairly well. The video quality is the same. I personally think that the Apple TV is a bit better due to iTunes tagging and the UI.

This is extremely basic functionality for both devices and doesn't really tap the strengths of either. But if this is all you need, it hardly matters which you use.
 
I have both a PS3 and an ATV. Each has their uses.

PS3 is great for both DVD and Blu-Ray playback. The upscaler does a very nice job and makes standard DVD's look much better. The fact that is also happens to play games is just icing on the cake (I have one of the early models--it also plays all of my PS1 and PS2 titles). Besides being a good quality disc player, it can accept firmware updates which keeps it current with the newest Blu-Ray specs or adds new functionality.

I use my ATV mostly for music and pictures. Add music to my iTunes library or add pictures to my Aperture library and they get added to my ATV without any fuss. I can change/add playlists or slideshows on my Mac and the changes seemlessly get transferred to the ATV. Watching vacation slideshows on the TV with family and friends is much more convenient (and pleasing) than standing huddled around a computer monitor. For this alone, the ATV was worth it for me. The movie rental aspect is a nice bonus. Quality is good enough and it's convenient.

For me the two devices play very different roles. I'm happy I have both.

seems like thats what historically happens....MS/PS for movies and games and Apple for music and pictures....just my opinion
 
@MagnusvonMagnum:

Let's see if we are indeed comparing apples to oranges here. First, we have to define what we want more from a media center. For me, its primarily watching movies in high quality. Now, that is the "What". Secondly, we have to define the way we are getting the movies, that is the "How".

Maybe we won't be able to tell the difference between uncompressed 1080p and uncompressed 720p but Apple TV offers only compressed movies with blurry visuals...

Good for you. You've made that clear over the course of the thread, but if you are going to continue to state outright LIES like the above, some of us will have to continue to correct you so that others don't get the impression that HD on AppleTV is blurry (it is as sharp as if not sharper at times than HDNet here and HDNet is not compressed much on my cable; I don't call that blurry by any means; if it's blurry on your set, then your set's scaler sucks something fierce and I feel sorry for you watching any 720p material at all from any source).
 
Good for you. You've made that clear over the course of the thread, but if you are going to continue to state outright LIES like the above, some of us will have to continue to correct you so that others don't get the impression that HD on AppleTV is blurry (it is as sharp as if not sharper at times than HDNet here and HDNet is not compressed much on my cable; I don't call that blurry by any means; if it's blurry on your set, then your set's scaler sucks something fierce and I feel sorry for you watching any 720p material at all from any source).

I don't see the lie here! I have checked Apple TV HD videos on many TV sets like the Philips 47PFL9732, the 46" Sharp Acquos and the 46" Sony Bravia. The video looks blurry to me, not all the time of course but on many scenes. I am comparing the video playback capability of two different systems and I can see that the PS3 suits my needs best.
 
You don't need to be sorry! DTS is higher quality Audio with much less compression than Dolby Digital. It provides a sound that is very clear. Dolby Digital is good but not that good.

http://www.audioholics.com/educatio...s-dts-a-guide-to-the-strengths-of-the-formats

Once again, I'd bet that neither your ears or playback equipment is capable of hearing the differences. I know audiophiles. Most of them are audiophools, who will believe ANYTHING the market tries to sell them. Yes, DTS uses less compression than AC3, but that alone does not guarantee it will sound better. Each of my HiFi systems use between $5000 and $10,000 worth of sound gear. Most of the differences between a movie that carries both AC3 and DTS (i.e. on DVDs) are volume level differences. In fact, most of the differences people think they hear with MOST sources are volume related issues (people always say the louder one sounds better unless it's openly distorting; this is why radio stations always compress the heck out of music so their station sounds "louder" than everyone else's, but they will do it to the point where it sounds like crap, but seeing as most people's car stereos, etc. are also crap, they won't notice or care, but will notice a louder station over a quieter one).

One example is that people say Pink Floyd's "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" doesn't sound as good as previous analog recordings by Pink Floyd. What they don't notice is that Momentarys' levels are quiter becaues it has larger dynamic range (i.e. better quality sound) and this means you have to turn the volume up to experience it properly. But people only notice at the same settings, it's too quiet and they call that crappy sounding.

Basically, what I see in this thread is a lot of claims designed to put down AppleTV. Claims of 'blurry' pictures are unsubstantiated and quite frankly just plain untrue. Using DTS is a strawman argument. The sound quality differences between a given film's soundtrack versus other soundtracks is almost always much greater than any differences between the compression variances of AC3 and DTS. While DTS uses less compression, it's compression is also less sophisticated than AC3 and the differences don't stand up nearly as well under double blind testing as they do among DTS proponents' larger than life claims.

The average consumer does not have high-end video or high-end audio gear. They do not sit 3 feet from their 50" 1080P sets so the differences between 1080P and 720P in general fall below the eye's resolving power therefore muting the differences/improvements between resolutions for the vast majority of the public thus all the puffed up talk about 1080P and people paying considerably more money to get 1080P "smallish" sets are completely overblown and largely a marketing gimmick. 1080P on a 32" set is great if it's your computer monitor sitting 1-3 feet from your body. At 6 feet, it makes no difference at all for the same sized picture as your eyes cannot tell the difference anyway. People don't know this and the sale margins are 1080P sets are much higher than 720P so of course they push the 1080P sets. Now if you have a 100" screen and are sitting under 10 feet from it, you CAN benefit from 1080P, but be prepared to pay a premium for it (3-5x more) for the time being.

All of this makes the arguments for Blu-Ray much less convincing for me. Saying uncompressed (Blu-Ray is NOT uncompressed, BTW, just LESS compressed) is always better doesn't tell you much about the state or quality of compression out there. Just like someone saying MP3s are garbage sonically and therefore CDs are the only way to go as they uncompressed digital doesn't tell you much about MP3s coded at 192kbit or above or using variable compression techniques or that perhaps the MP3s using 24-bit/96kHz might sound better than uncompressed 16-bit audio, particularly if the compressed sound is 5.1 channel music and the 16-bit CD is only stereo. Perception is a tricky thing and sometimes people are fooled into hearing what they want to hear or believe they will hear. This is why double blind tests exist. It's also why most audiophile magazines do NOT use double blind tests because they stand to sell more ads if they can claim a $5000 amplifier sounds better than a $500 one.

So if you're going to try to make an argument that AppleTV and the PS3 are "apples to apples" comparisons, prepared to be continually called on it because they are not the same device. One is designed to play $30 purchased HD movies and video games and one is designed to rent HD and SD movies, purchase missed tv shows and stream your music and/or video collection around the house with ease. Some os us have or plan to have both eventually. This wouldn't be true if they shared the identical functions.

Given the length of this thread and the claims still being made and argued by the thread poster, I have to conclude the entire thread is a strawman argument designed to promote Sony products if only for the reason claiming it works better for you does not create the need for multiple page arguments on the issue. If it works better for you, great. Your original post would have sufficed. If you want to argue the PS3 and AppleTV are the SAME device, but PS3 is much better, your argument is without merit as they are clearly NOT the same device, even if a few functions overlap.
 
So if you're going to try to make an argument that AppleTV and the PS3 are "apples to apples" comparisons, prepared to be continually called on it because they are not the same device. One is designed to play $30 purchased HD movies and video games and one is designed to rent HD and SD movies, purchase missed tv shows and stream your music and/or video collection around the house with ease. Some os us have or plan to have both eventually. This wouldn't be true if they shared the identical functions.

Given the length of this thread and the claims still being made and argued by the thread poster, I have to conclude the entire thread is a strawman argument designed to promote Sony products if only for the reason claiming it works better for you does not create the need for multiple page arguments on the issue. If it works better for you, great. Your original post would have sufficed. If you want to argue the PS3 and AppleTV are the SAME device, but PS3 is much better, your argument is without merit as they are clearly NOT the same device, even if a few functions overlap.

I do not work for Sony and I don't understand how my claims can be offending for any of you, unless you directly took part in designing the AppleTV. I guess you haven't read all my posts in this thread, so you came up to the wrong conclusions. All I am saying is that for 80% of what the Apple TV offers, there is an overlaping with the PS3 and unless you can afford both, there is no reason having an AppleTV around. It's as simple as that!
If I cared about purchased iTunes content then I would definitely keep the AppleTV, but I do not! I am interested in movies and I do not want to bother having two devices for the same purpose. It's too much and I am not rich to keep both! The Playstation 3 is my DVD, my Blu-Ray and my Movie Streaming device! It can also play games which is the icying on the cake. If you don't get what I am saying then I am sorry for you!
As for the blurry videos, sorry but in my eyes the videos do look blurry. It's the compression! It's normal and the AppleTV cannot do much to avoid that. Some people do see it, others don't... I have to say that before I got my PS3 I didn't notice blurriness of the picture.After I watched a Blu-Ray film I just couldnt go back to Apple TV. I deleted all AppleTV content and sold the AppleTV on ebay...

I can hear the difference between DTS and Dolby Digital. As you say, most people can't. The sound is most of the times clearer, louder (but not distorted) and has a more real feeling to it. Dolby Digital sounds good but not that good.


Many people on this thread have the same opinion as me. If that bothers you then you can choose to ignore it!!!
I like Apple and I am a big fan. I don't want though to be a fan boy...
 
seems like thats what historically happens....MS/PS for movies and games and Apple for music and pictures....just my opinion

Really it depends on your needs. If your videos are from BitTorrent or BD media, the consoles fit your needs better.
I use my 360 for legacy encodes that are not in :apple:TV supported formats.

However for purchasing new TV shows, Movies, HB ripped DVD's, video podcasts, music and photos, the :apple:TV is better.
 
. All I am saying is that for 80% of what the Apple TV offers, there is an overlaping with the PS3 and unless you can afford both, there is no reason having an AppleTV around.

This is the reason people are disagreeing with you. The PS3 and :apple:TV are two highly distinct products. While there is overlap in basic functionality, the PS3 doesn't handle any of the PRIMARY function of the :apple:TV. This is TV/Movie purchases and movie rentals. I understand that these are not functions you used (which leaves me wondering why you bought it in the first place), but you can't just dismiss them. People reading your posts for advice on where to spend their money, are getting a misrepresentation of what the :apple:TV is.
 
This is the reason people are disagreeing with you. The PS3 and :apple:TV are two highly distinct products. While there is overlap in basic functionality, the PS3 doesn't handle any of the PRIMARY function of the :apple:TV. This is TV/Movie purchases and movie rentals. I understand that these are not functions you used (which leaves me wondering why you bought it in the first place), but you can't just dismiss them. People reading your posts for advice on where to spend their money, are getting a misrepresentation of what the :apple:TV is.

I did use my AppleTV to purchase/rent content. I just didn't find this method of viewing movies appealing to me. If someone doesn't have a feeling for quality or simple doesn't care a lot and is used in watching standard definition TV, then the AppleTV is certainly a nice option. Who said the contrary? I am just saying that if you have to choose one device then the PS3 is for me the better choice...
 
Though just out of curiosity I have to ask myself why you would still frequent a forum based solely on a device you A. did not care for and B. no longer have ?

After nine pages of debate and hearing why you got rid of your atv in favor of the super device, the question does beg to be asked.
 
Though just out of curiosity I have to ask myself why you would still frequent a forum based solely on a device you A. did not care for and B. no longer have ?

After nine pages of debate and hearing why you got rid of your atv in favor of the super device, the question does beg to be asked.

Forums are for discussions. I just thought that it would be interesting to see what my fellow Mac users think about it from their own point of view. If that bothers you then I can't help you.
 
It only costs twice as much in the US. In Germany the AppleTV costs 299 Euro. Now I think the PS3 costs 399 Euro, if not less. In Australia the PS3 costs $600 the AppleTV costs $450.

The PS3 plays games, full HD and can stream almost any music or video format using Medialink. The AppleTV is overpriced for the functionality it offers. I say this as a Apple 'fanboy'. In Australia, no one is buying AppleTVs because of the price.

Absolutely. The Apple TV outside the US absolutely blows. It costs a bomb and there is no content. WTF Apple!
 
I agree...

I am an Apple enthusiast who agrees. The Apple TV interface is better, and if it had better support for file types it'd probably be worth it for me to buy in addition to the PS3, but I got tired of paying $1.99 for TV Shows that I can watch for free at the respective network websites free of charge. I just downloaded this little application called TVShows.app and Transmission. I subscribed to my favorite TV Shows using TVShows.app, and then Transmission automatically downloads and categorizes them. Then, whenever I turn on my PS3, my library of downloads are available to stream.

The interface is a little off, and I can't stream my iTunes purchases, but I'm happy.

By and large, I'm pissed because iTunes doesn't have all of the content that I want, and I'm pissed because I can't have an affordable subscription to iTunes.

I consume media far to rapidly to fiscally support the habit using iTunes.

I receive over 20 movies per month using my 3 disc Netflix plan. About 1/8 of them turn out to be Blu-Ray titles I can watch on my PS3.

I watch about 8-10 TV Shows. iTunes doesn't even catalog all of them. Converting the files to work on the Apple TV is a pain.
 
kind of off topic, but for anyone streaming to the PS3, what programs/setup are you using? I have been planning on consolidating all of my media, and handbraking my dvds into a 'media server' hopefully running ubuntu linux and an old p4 sitting around the house (cheaper than buying a new mac). Any recommendations for mac or linux programs? I've only looked into stuff for linux like mythtv, mediatomb, etc. I'd ultimately like to stream to ps3/360 and any computer in the house.

thanks
 
Coming from someone who despises Playstation, I think I would rather buy the PS3 rather than an AppleTV, only because of the quality difference. I have a friend who has both the PS3 and the 40GB AppleTV and the difference in quality is just amazing to me. I think, however, that AppleTV will advance far more than the Playstation will in years to come...
 
kind of off topic, but for anyone streaming to the PS3, what programs/setup are you using? I have been planning on consolidating all of my media, and handbraking my dvds into a 'media server' hopefully running ubuntu linux and an old p4 sitting around the house (cheaper than buying a new mac). Any recommendations for mac or linux programs? I've only looked into stuff for linux like mythtv, mediatomb, etc. I'd ultimately like to stream to ps3/360 and any computer in the house.

thanks

Twonky Media Server is good and they have versions for Mac, Windows and Linux. I use it for my 360 and it works great. I haven't tried it with a PS3, but it should work just as well. It provides a web interface for PC's and even support streaming to mobile devices.
 
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