Google-Motorola "Phone X"

[onthecouchagain]

November, says new rumor.

http://www.androidauthority.com/goo...n-800-4000mah-battery-november-launch-177568/

Today’s report says that the X Phone will arrive at some point in November, in time for the holiday season – not June or July as previous rumors have suggested – and that the handset will feature some high-end features including a 4.8-inch display protected by sapphire glass instead of good old Gorilla Glass, a 2GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor and a 4000mAh battery.

The X Phone will be water resistant and it will sport a carbon fiber back case, with rubber bumpers placed in its corners.

Interestingly, the report doesn’t say anything about customizable hardware.



Grain of salt, and all.

 

[mattopotamus]

November, says new rumor.

http://www.androidauthority.com/goo...n-800-4000mah-battery-november-launch-177568/

Today’s report says that the X Phone will arrive at some point in November, in time for the holiday season – not June or July as previous rumors have suggested – and that the handset will feature some high-end features including a 4.8-inch display protected by sapphire glass instead of good old Gorilla Glass, a 2GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor and a 4000mAh battery.

The X Phone will be water resistant and it will sport a carbon fiber back case, with rubber bumpers placed in its corners.

Interestingly, the report doesn’t say anything about customizable hardware.



Grain of salt, and all.

I was expecting a november-ish release. Anything sooner would have been a complete shock, assuming this is a nexus style phone. Funny that they put, "in time for the holiday season" as only a few had it before the new year with a november release haha.

 

[thehustleman]

That phone sounds amazing

 

[TG1]

4,000 mAh battery!

 

[cynics]

Clearly.


It is not about drop tests, but more about the structural integrity of the phone's frame. If the frame of a phone takes enough force from an impact, it will bend. Hopefully we can at least agree on that simple fact.

Now as the frame bends where the impact was, more stress is put on the glass. Hopefully that still makes sense.

As more stress is put on the glass from the impact on the frame, the more likely it is to shatter. Still with me?

So to recap so far, without even discussing materials, a phone's frame can increase or decrease the likelihood of the screen shattering. And with a stiffer frame, it will cause less deformation in the frame, causing less stress on the screen, making it less likely to shatter.

Now here is where the different materials come into play. You want a stiffer frame in order to keep the stress off the corners of the glass during impact. So what material will give a stiffer frame: that plastic that bends with almost no pressure, or the aluminum?

Also note, weak plastic in this scenario does not even require the plastic to break. It just requires that the plastic allows a lot of bending. And as seen in a previous picture I linked to, the GS4 plastic bends quite easily (and also cracks ).


Out of all the people I know with iPhone 5's, not a single one of them had this problem. So sure, you can cherry pick. But I could cherry pick about broken plastic on smartphones, but that would be much easier to find.

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See above.



I'm sorry, please quote me where I said that aluminum will always keep everything perfectly safe.

If you care to read any of my previous statements, you will notice me using words such as "more stress" and "less likely". No where did I say "no stress" or "not at all likely". See the difference?

In every single case I have talked about, I was consistently talking about aluminum and how it stacks up against alternatives. Again, I never said it would always without fail keep everything safe. So maybe you should understand what is being said before making giant assumptions.

Of course, we could just follow your theory of not completely comprehending an argument before making a halfway thought out response

I'm not stooping to your level of childish insults so don't try to troll me into that nonsense, that's in regards to comprehending your post and mine being half thought out regardless of calculating the percentages of screen size and weight.

So a frame that doesn't deform or bend will keep the screen from breaking? And one that does will likely cause damage? The screen is bending in the picture!

A STIFF frame will PREVENT damage? Is this why its important to isolate glass AWAY from stiff frames in cars and buildings? There's always an absorbent material around them, rubbers, silicones, etc.

SHOCK is what shatters glass/screens. That's why we put softer cases on our phones! It's also why a phone screen is more likely to break in a designer metal case that's stiff and rigid. More shock the case absorbs the less it transfers.

Your new theory is like saying a car with a rigid frame and no crumple zones is safer then one with those things. When in reality all the shock/impact is transferred to place you don't want it too in stuff/rigid material.

 

[Tig Bitties]

November, says new rumor.

http://www.androidauthority.com/goo...n-800-4000mah-battery-november-launch-177568/

Today’s report says that the X Phone will arrive at some point in November, in time for the holiday season – not June or July as previous rumors have suggested – and that the handset will feature some high-end features including a 4.8-inch display protected by sapphire glass instead of good old Gorilla Glass, a 2GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor and a 4000mAh battery.

The X Phone will be water resistant and it will sport a carbon fiber back case, with rubber bumpers placed in its corners.

Interestingly, the report doesn’t say anything about customizable hardware.



Grain of salt, and all.

I'll believe when I see it for sale for real. Those specs sound above top of the line. Snapdragon 800 the best of the best processor, but could be believable, supposed to be ready for phones in the Fall. And a 4000mAh battery would be insanely awesome, but again, believe when I see it.

This "X" phone would be a strong competitor to the Nexus-Five, which is rumored to be another LG made phone, or possibly Sony, with a 3100mAh battery, 5" 1080p screen, and of course Android 5.0, to be released in November.

Would Google release both the LG Nexus-Five and Motorola X around the same time ?

 

[JustJeff]

November, says new rumor.

http://www.androidauthority.com/goo...n-800-4000mah-battery-november-launch-177568/

Today’s report says that the X Phone will arrive at some point in November, in time for the holiday season – not June or July as previous rumors have suggested – and that the handset will feature some high-end features including a 4.8-inch display protected by sapphire glass instead of good old Gorilla Glass, a 2GHz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor and a 4000mAh battery.

The X Phone will be water resistant and it will sport a carbon fiber back case, with rubber bumpers placed in its corners.

Interestingly, the report doesn’t say anything about customizable hardware.



Grain of salt, and all.

That looks great! So probably too good to be true.

 

[strausd]

I've always thought plastic was able to absorb the impact greater while something stronger would transfer the impact directly to the screen but then again I'm not engineer.

In a case you want rubber to absorb the impact. Ideally, the rubber would be thick enough so that all the deformations caused by impact do not transfer to the actual phone, if that makes sense. Essentially, you want the rubber case to take all the impact, no the plastic on the phone.

A rubber case will bend inwards at the point of impact. That is how it absorbs the impact. And you want that as long as that bend stays in the case. But you never want the plastic to bend. See below.

I think you'll find if the thin aluminium of the iPhone 5 would bend considerably easier then that of the Galaxy S3. As ive already pointed out, aluminium is a "soft metal" - think of foil and cans.

You're joking, right? The plastic in that picture I showed you is so ridiculously thin and bends so easily. As for aluminum foil and soda cans, care to prove that the iPhone uses the same quality aluminum that is also at the same thickness? Or are you just going to say that with nothing to back it up?

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So a frame that doesn't deform or bend will keep the screen from breaking? And one that does will likely cause damage? The screen is bending in the picture!

You really can't read. Go back and read my last post. I never said it wouldn't bend. I only mentioned that it would require more pressure to get the aluminum in the iPhone 5 to bend as much as the plastic in a GS4. And thanks for showing this picture because it actually proves my point in a way.

The angle that this aluminum bends is far less than the GS4 plastic in the picture I linked to earlier. And which one do you think took more pressure to bend? Obviously the aluminum because the thin plastic on the GS4 is weak and easily flexible. So really, the plastic required less force and was able to bend at a higher angle, and the aluminum required more force and did not bend as much.

And here is where something that is easily flexible can harm a phone.



Imagine this phone is falling to the floor and lands on this top right corner. The two lines indicate how much the frame bends inward at the point of impact. So before going on, which line would put more stress on the glass? The one that bends inward more, or the one that bends inward less? I would love to hear your answer on this specific question when you undoubtedly respond with more half-thought arguments.

Now, as has been discussed, the plastic in the GS4 bends ridiculously easy. If you don't believe me, take the plastic back off a GS3 and just feel how weak and flexible it is. Multiple reports indicate they are using the same "quality" of plastic.

So judging from that, we can tell that plastic will require much less force in order to deform. And aluminum would require more force in order to deform at the same magnitude of something that is plastic.

So the black line indicates how much an aluminum frame would deform on impact, and the red line indicates how much a plastic frame would deform on impact with the same amount of force, and a phone of the same weight and size.

It is simple, which deformation, the one indicated by the black line or the one indicated by the red line, will cause more stress on the front glass?

A STIFF frame will PREVENT damage? Is this why its important to isolate glass AWAY from stiff frames in cars and buildings? There's always an absorbent material around them, rubbers, silicones, etc.

SHOCK is what shatters glass/screens. That's why we put softer cases on our phones! It's also why a phone screen is more likely to break in a designer metal case that's stiff and rigid. More shock the case absorbs the less it transfers.

Your new theory is like saying a car with a rigid frame and no crumple zones is safer then one with those things. When in reality all the shock/impact is transferred to place you don't want it too in stuff/rigid material.

See above.

 

[Dave.UK]

You're joking, right? The plastic in that picture I showed you is so ridiculously thin and bends so easily. As for aluminum foil and soda cans, care to prove that the iPhone uses the same quality aluminum that is also at the same thickness? Or are you just going to say that with nothing to back it up?

Please make your mind up! Are we talking about the back panel or the frame? You seem to keep changing your mind! Why would you take the plastci back panel off your phone and bend it??!

In that picture, its a plastic back panel - It dosent need to be thick. The only time its removed is when/if your replacing a battery/sd card etc.

To be honest, your boring me with your constant moving of the goal posts and condescending tone. You prefer aluminum and I prefer plastic. Sorted.

 

[strausd]

Please make your mind up! Are we talking about the back panel or the frame? You seem to keep changing your mind! Why would you take the plastci back panel off your phone and bend it??!

In that picture, its a plastic back panel - It dosent need to be thick. The only time its removed is when/if your replacing a battery/sd card etc.

To be honest, your boring me with your constant moving of the goal posts and condescending tone. You prefer aluminum and I prefer plastic. Sorted.

I am talking about general characteristics of both materials. When talking about general characteristics, I used examples. Some examples that came to mind when talking about plastic were both the back plate and the frame. I thought that was clear.

And I would still love for you to prove that the GS3/4 plastic is stiffer than the iPhone 5 aluminum. But I doubt you will be able to prove that.

 

[appledes7]

This little debate is pretty funny. For what its worth, I definitely prefer aluminum. Every Android phone I hold that is made out of plastic just feels so flimsy. My Nexus 4 and iPhone 4S don't feel flimsy at all. Plus, why would anyone want their back cover to pop off when it falls? That just exposes the internals. Especially on a double bounce.

 

[Dave.UK]

I am talking about general characteristics of both materials. When talking about general characteristics, I used examples. Some examples that came to mind when talking about plastic were both the back plate and the frame. I thought that was clear.

And I would still love for you to prove that the GS3/4 plastic is stiffer than the iPhone 5 aluminum. But I doubt you will be able to prove that.

You chop and change between talking about the frame and the back plate so it always seems to be in your favour. You only have to look at the last few pages to see that.

Im not going to start digging around, plus I dont know whether your talking about the frame of the back plate now! Anyway, seems to be common sense that plastic is stronger then thin aluminum.

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This little debate is pretty funny. For what its worth, I definitely prefer aluminum. Every Android phone I hold that is made out of plastic just feels so flimsy. My Nexus 4 and iPhone 4S don't feel flimsy at all. Plus, why would anyone want their back cover to pop off when it falls? That just exposes the internals. Especially on a double bounce.

Id rather my plastic back plate come off if I dropped my phone rather then denting aluminum or cracking the glass!

 

[roxxette]

You need to make a new thread regarding back plates

 

[Dave.UK]

You need to make a new thread regarding back plates

lol, and one for frames as well!

 

[strausd]

You chop and change between talking about the frame and the back plate so it always seems to be in your favour. You only have to look at the last few pages to see that.

Did you not read my above post?

Im not going to start digging around, plus I dont know whether your talking about the frame of the back plate now! Anyway, seems to be common sense that plastic is stronger then thin aluminum.

Haha I love how you accuse me of

I dont know why your trying to make it sound stronger then what it is!\!

When you are doing the exact same thing!

You are making plastic sound stronger than it is when in reality it is cheap, flimsy, and easily breakable. Don't believe me? Go buy a a toy from walmart.

You also try and hide the fact that the plastic on phones is the same thickness of that of the iPhone 5. But feel free to prove to me that the plastic back of the GS3 is thicker than the aluminum back of the iPhone 5, or the same thing for the frame. Good luck proving that.

And if your precious plastic is stronger than aluminum, why does the plastic back on the GS4 bend and break so easily, as seen in previous pictures?

Also, I would love to hear your response to my latest picture that I posted, illustrating how flexible plastic puts more stress on the screen.

 

[roxxette]

lol, and one for frames as well!

The frame i dont understand whats the big deal

 

[strausd]

You need to make a new thread regarding back plates

lol, and one for frames as well!

I guess I am the only one here who is able to comprehend the simple idea of talking about general characteristics of a material using more than one example.

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The frame i dont understand whats the big deal

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1535581/

 

[roxxette]

I guess I am the only one here who is able to comprehend the simple idea of talking about general characteristics of a material using more than one example.

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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1535581/

Strausd plastic can be replaced cheaper, nuff said

 

[strausd]

Strausd plastic can be replaced cheaper, nuff said

Because it needs to be replaced more often

 

[roxxette]

Because it needs to be replaced more often

Not true mate, its not like your gonna be drooping or throwing away your phone 24/7; example my old iphone 3g only recently cracked the back and its from launch day.

 

[Dave.UK]

You are making plastic sound stronger than it is when in reality it is cheap, flimsy, and easily breakable. Don't believe me? Go buy a a toy from walmart.

Same can be said for aluminum. go and by a can or drink or some foil!

 

[strausd]

Strausd plastic can be replaced cheaper, nuff said

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Origi...64245008&sr=8-3&keywords=galaxy+s3+back+cover

http://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Minim...sr=8-4&keywords=galaxy+s3+back+cover+aluminum

Looks like the aluminum one is actually cheaper

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Same can be said for aluminum. go and by a can or drink or some foil!

Again, prove to me that the aluminum in an iPhone 5 is as thin as that of a soda can. Until you prove that, your point is irrelevant.

 

[Dave.UK]

Because it needs to be replaced more often

Only if you keep dropping your phone or taking the back plate off and bending it for no reason!

It dosent break without user error.

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Again, prove to me that the aluminum in an iPhone 5 is as thin as that of a soda can. Until you prove that, your point is irrelevant.

Likewise prove to me its the same plastic used in the Galaxy S3 to make plastic toys otherwise your point is irrelevant.

 

[strausd]

Only if you keep dropping your phone or taking the back plate off and bending it for no reason!

It dosent break without user error.

Ever heard of normal wear and tear?

And I don't know if you know this, it might be a surprise to you, but it only takes one drop to break a phone.

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Likewise prove to me its the same plastic used in the Galaxy S3 to make plastic toys otherwise your point is irrelevant.

Just looks at how easily it bends in that last picture! Need me to go buy something from walmart to show you that plastic from there bends just as easily?

 

[Dave.UK]

Ever heard of normal wear and tear?

And I don't know if you know this, it might be a surprise to you, but it only takes one drop to break a phone.

Well my S3 is a year old and still looks like its brand new, and thats without a case. Likewise ive seen iPhone 5's arrive brand new dented and scratched. Your point is?

One drop to break? Of course, although depends on how its dropped, from what height and what surface it lands on.

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Just looks at how easily it bends in that last picture! Need me to go buy something from walmart to show you that plastic from there bends just as easily?

But its bending and not breaking. Again, why would you bend the back plate of your phone like that?!v