Mobile OSs Google Navigation just got clapped!!

[Sensamic]

So you won't use walking directions, but you'll use flyovers?

You've GOT to be trolling.

Im sure he has not even used Google Maps ever...

You want to see you "childhood" neighbourhood? Theres an app called Google Earth already available...

And the flyover is just for BIG cities!

 

[matttye]

Im sure he has not even used Google Maps ever...

You want to see you "childhood" neighbourhood? Theres an app called Google Earth already available...

And the flyover is just for BIG cities!

I think he's trolling.. just like the owner of BGR

 

[walie]

What i find amusing is people saying "Oh Apple just got into the map app field, so its ok that everything about it still needs work". This is Apple we're talking about here, they don't start on a project and immediately show it off to the world. They've definitely been working on this for a few years ever since they acquired those mapping companies, possibly even before that. Does everyone expect that hundreds of cities will be added to support 3D flyover between now and the fall? I wouldn't expect a major improvement from now until release.



Oh and Bobby, a little off topic, but care to comment on this??:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1368647/

 

[matttye]

What i find amusing is people saying "Oh Apple just got into the map app field, so its ok that everything about it still needs work". This is Apple we're talking about here, they don't start on a project and immediately show it off to the world. They've definitely been working on this for a few years ever since they acquired those mapping companies, possibly even before that. Does everyone expect that hundreds of cities will be added to support 3D flyover between now and the fall? I wouldn't expect a major improvement from now until release.



Oh and Bobby, a little off topic, but care to comment on this??:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1368647/

Google doesn't do that either.. Google probably had their maps in the worlds a few years before the release. Google's maps have been out and in customers hands for a long time, so they've had lots of time to listen to user feedback and expand.

Apple is still new in the mapping business, hence why they're not as good (yet).

 

[Internaut]

This is a bold move for Apple and logical, bearing in mind:

-Google are not above keeping (or at least delaying) new features for Android product differentiation
-Siri integration would likely never have happened with Google Maps.

However, it is wholly unrealistic to expect the Apple product to be better out of the door. Make no mistake; Google Maps is a very solid product that supports driving, walking and public transport. Which would you want with you for that city break? Also, I would question moving into the mapping business at all, unless Apple plans to go the whole hog and have Apple powered cars that drive themselves. Time will tell but Apple are starting from a long way behind.

Personally, I'm surprised Apple didn't simply buy someone like TomTom who already had the cartography side sorted out.

 

[Consultant]

If a competitor accomplishes something first, you're just a copycat to the public. Getting there first is a huge deal. Don't act like you guys wouldn't make fun of Google if Apple did built-in turn-by-turn directions first and Google came in 2nd a year later.

TomTom has been in business since the 90s, before Google was founded, and way before Google Maps.

And Google prevents Apple from having turn-by-turn navigation:
http://obamapacman.com/2012/01/why-iphone-doesnt-have-real-time-navigation-with-google-maps/

This is iPhone forum, if you self-heaters love crappy Google map so much, go and buy one of those cheaply made and poorly run spyware android phones.
Otherwise shutup and fell grateful to use the best piece of electronic on the planet!

You can use Google Maps on iPhone with browsers such as Safari.

 

[woodekm]

Id laugh if Google sued Apple for using any of their maps to create anything.

I believe google initially bought Keyhole which was the first satellite imagery for land and google added their road images on top. Thought it was about 10 years ago. I loved those older - but quite outdated - images and google took them to another level..

 

[ct2k7]

I personally feel that the current iteration of Maps in iOS 6, using OSM, TomTom etc is lacking compared to the same by Google.

On the subject of images, the resolution and data is behind what is currently available, however, I have noticed that there are some good ones provided by Bing.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

Im sure he has not even used Google Maps ever...

You want to see you "childhood" neighbourhood? Theres an app called Google Earth already available...

And the flyover is just for BIG cities!

Google Earth doesn't have Flyover-style buildings, they are instead flat 2D terrain objects that you can only view from the top down.

It's nothing like Flyover.

And if I ever need street view for some odd reason I can still use google maps in safari.

But 99% of my navigation will be done in iMaps because it handles all my typical needs perfectly and beautifully elegantly.

 

[matttye]

Google Earth doesn't have Flyover-style buildings, they are instead flat 2D terrain objects that you can only view from the top down.

It's nothing like Flyover.

And if I ever need street view for some odd reason I can still use google maps in safari.

But 99% of my navigation will be done in iMaps because it handles all my typical needs perfectly and beautifully elegantly.

So you might not ever need street view, but you need flyover to browse around your old haunts? You could browse around your old haunts with street view.

Typical unthought-through fanboy argument.

 

[chiefpavvy]

They were "clapped" in the sense that they will lose (Google) a *LOT* of revenue. Google makes more from iOS than it does from Android and that's a fact.

I'm fine with the improvements but don't see them as a killer or must-have feature. My navigation will continue to be through a third party (Navigon) because I prefer having everything available offline when no cellular data is available. For folks in the big metro, it may suffice. Now if they would add the option to cache the entire map database and POI list I might take another look...

As for stopping fAndroid trolls, nothing will. Now the moniker is "But only certain devices can use Flyover..." and "Wow welcome to what we had years ago!"

Apple was smart to add it though, the number one response from an Android fan is "But I would miss Google Navigation" and this will mitigate that--of course they will find something else.

 

[iammike1]

You're not making any sense.

You also have to remember what to say in your text messages, or when talking to people to make sure that you aren't misunderstood.

Also, you have to remember which buttons to press in which order or else your device won't work properly.

If you are trying to say that google voice actions are not idiot proof, then I will agree.... but it is every bit as robust as Siri.

BTW, reviewing the message before you send it is a pretty good idea to avoid problems that can arise.

What if your boss/employee and your girlfriend have the same first name and the phone screws up the message recipient? Might find yourself without a job just because you were too lazy to read the screen before hitting the send button

*sigh*

1. GVA you have a specific command you have to give it to get a specific action. It does not try to interpret what you wanted. There are hundereds of ways to ask for the same thing...Siri is one step further along on trying to understand all those ways of asking so it can give you what you want. GVA expects you to say "send text "name" "message". With Siri I can say "send text", or "send sms", or even "tell "so-and-so" that "message". That is the difference between a Voice Assistant and Voice Control, or as Google calls it, Voice Actions.

2. As far as pushing buttons, no, it's not a big deal if I'm using Siri or GVA at my desk...but if I'm driving it's certainly more beneficial for Siri to ask me if I want to confirm or cancel something rather than trying to hit the touch button to confirm or cancel while driving down the interstate at 70MPH.

3. Reviewing the message. GVA I must take my eyes off the road, for example, and read the message then press Send. Siri I can say "review the message" and it will read the message back to me, then I can say "send it" and off it goes all without looking away from the road.

These are all the kinds of things I mean when I say Siri is more autonomous. I did not say Siri was more robust. GVA is more robust as I can do more things with it...but it's not at autonomous as Siri.

 

[kdarling]

TomTom has been in business since the 90s, before Google was founded, and way before Google Maps.

Sure, that's why companies use their data for road maps.

However, TomTom never tried taking global street views or mapping cell towers and hotspots.

Google has also spent a lot of effort creating really nice terrain overlays from a variety of global information.

Then there's all the public transit integration.

And Google prevents Apple from having turn-by-turn navigation:
http://obamapacman.com/2012/01/why-iphone-doesnt-have-real-time-navigation-with-google-maps/

That article says, "In reality, the reason iPhone doesn’t have real time navigation is because Google placed all kinds of restrictions on Google Maps use. Here’s the current Google Maps/Earth Terms of Service."

What the author of that article totally misses, is that Google has no choice in the matter. The providers of road data (e.g. TeleAtlas) are the ones whose rules do not allow using their map info for realtime navigation unless you pay them for that use.

The reason is, they sell their navigation data to standalone GPS makers, automobile GPS manufacturers, and so forth.

 

[SurferMan]

Google Earth doesn't have Flyover-style buildings, they are instead flat 2D terrain objects that you can only view from the top down.

It's nothing like Flyover.

And if I ever need street view for some odd reason I can still use google maps in safari.

But 99% of my navigation will be done in iMaps because it handles all my typical needs perfectly and beautifully elegantly.

You must have missed that Google is/was already working on it's 3D update for images, ala "flyover", using real images... Apples are computer generated. Either way, whose going to honestly use it on either iOS or Android..... are you really going to sit there on your phone and view it? I mean for what? That goes for Google as well, I guess some people will like it for whatever reason... just a gimmick to me.

And how is it "beautifully elegant", hell you can't even use it right now in almost any area especially foreign. Even in the states it's totally buggy as it's not near completed and more like barely into alpha stage. But you already know how it's going to 100% look at operate?

 

[danahn17]

And how is it "beautifully elegant", hell you can't even use it right now in almost any area especially foreign. Even in the states it's totally buggy as it's not near completed and more like barely into alpha stage. But you already know how it's going to 100% look at operate?

Oh come on... we know that it's going to be beautifully elegant because "it just works."



Sarcasm aside though.... this thread was a bad idea from the start. I hate how over here, if a competitor catches up to Apple, it's copying and anti-innovation... but when Apple catches up to a competitor, it's an amazing benefit Apple is giving all mankind and that the competitor is doomed to failure. People trying to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Jagardn]

Yeah, its chilling how people live in their own little world and act like Apple is their god.

And it's amazing how some people spend a good part of their day trolling in a forum instead of doing something productive.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Google Maps vs Apple Maps:

http://gizmodo.com/5918176/google-maps-vs-apple-maps-a-side-by-side-comparison

If the maps were reversed, and that was Apple's Map on the left side, people would give Google hell for such a crummy, information-less map system, and praise how Apple has street view, better traffic info, bus routes, way more street and store information, etc., and that no one can match up in competition.

 

[JAT]

I don't believe for one minute that you and your friend drive around testing different sat navs against each other; why would anyone do that? But even on the offchance that you actually do, not everyone gets the same results. You will see that Tom Tom has been criticized in this thread.

I too have had bad results with Tom Tom.

Well, I have tested them thusly, and read extensive reviews by others that have, as well. The reason is to find out which is best. You couldn't guess that reason? And you all keep arguing 2 different topics interchangeably, which doesn't work. Let's separate them.

Maps:
NONE of them have perfect maps. I carry a paper map, Garmin standalone, and iPhone with many options for my delivery job. I have had destinations that were on zero of these maps and I had to figure it out myself once I got close. The newest map is not even always the best, but I do find online maps to be a bit more accurate more of the time, presumably because they are more quickly updated.

Routing:
TT is superior for its routing. This has little to do with maps, it is the routing software that is great, and importantly, adaptable. That said, I can find routing errors with all of them, as well. None of them are perfect for routing, either. Knocking just one for imperfection is silly, esp if it happens to have more success more of the time. Garmin claims to have a system similar to TT's IQ routing, now. I haven't tried that one, yet.

The routing is most important if you are using a gps frequently. If you use one only occasionally, random positive/negative results for either mapping or routing will occur and frankly, any such reports are useless. Seldom does a non-updated map affect me as much as a poor routing choice.

 

[realeric]

There are three major maps in the world.

NAVTEQ (owned and operated by Nokia)
TeleAtlas (owned and operated by TomTom)
Google (owned and operated by Google)

Microsoft's Bing uses NAVTEQ maps. Garmin also uses NAVTEQ maps. TomTom uses TeleAtlas maps. Google uses Google maps. Both Microsoft and Google purchase satellite photos from 3rd party companies, DigitalGlobe.

When Google launched their own maps on 2005, TeleAtlas had been doing mapping services for more than 20 years. Do you really think Google shouldn't have done it because TeleAtlas was far better then Google's on 2005?

Apple will get better maps and turn-by-turn navigation one day. They have technology(C3), experience(TomTom), maps (TeleAtlas), and money !!! This is the only way you can get a free turn-by-turn navigation in your iPhone. Google will NEVER EVER develop it for you NOR allow Apple to do it for you as long as Apple uses Google maps.

 

[Ryan658]

Android or Apple

Android or Apple. which one is the best ?

 

[Seiga]

Honestly this is no contest. Unless the iPhone has built in GPS and doesn't use triangulation, Google and Android will be far superior in the map category.

 

[cyks]

Honestly this is no contest. Unless the iPhone has built in GPS and doesn't use triangulation, Google and Android will be far superior in the map category.

You do realize that practically ALL new cell phones (for the past few years) have built in GPS, right?

 

[Seiga]

You do realize that practically ALL new cell phones (for the past few years) have built in GPS, right?

But notice I said the iPhone doesn't. Yeah, all new cell phones have it, but the iPhone for 5 years has never implemented a GPS chip.

 

[iammike1]

But notice I said the iPhone doesn't. Yeah, all new cell phones have it, but the iPhone for 5 years has never implemented a GPS chip.

You have GOT to be trolling. LOL

 

[Seiga]

You have GOT to be trolling. LOL

Not trolling, just stating a fact. Where does it say on the iPhone that it contains a GPS chip? Android phones contain them, but iPhones don't. The OG droid had a GPS chip built in. Google maps and navigation is much more accurate than iPhones triangulation of the cell towers.

Apple can have all the fancy stuff added, but if it stinks at directions, then their software is no good.

Prove me wrong.