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- Much more customization

Ah the intermediate stage between tech noob and veteran.

It's fun to customise things when you're starting out. Eventually you learn that you're just wasting time for the most part, fiddling with stuff that really, really doesn't matter and the default UI decisions usually work well enough to not waste time messing with. There's bigger problems in the world to solve and/or more important work to do.

I barely even change my desktop wallpaper these days unless its a machine I establish remote sessions to, in order to remind me that I'm logged into a remote device before I do something like shut it down :D
 
1. You really can't make a good phone for $150. Meaning for one it's SoC is going to be terrible slow. For two, the quality and support are literally non-existant.
Define "good". For people who make calls, use WhatsApp and social networks, there's no need to get a high-end phone. They run perfectly, not sure when's the last time you had a cheap phone as a daily driver. Try it.
Except when that brand is the primary source of the OS. (Google)
Manufacturers customize their OS. Google puts no constraint on hardware. Want an audio jack? You can find it. Want foldable? Here it is. Want huge batteries and not ultraslim phones? And so on.
specs price and features: okay, that's true. But I already wrote: so can with Apple.
hardwaaaare...
As long as the phone has the features I need, why would I want more features? That would just complicate things and adds unnecessary risk when the feature isn't supported correctly.
All the features YOU need. There's not just you in this world.
A very easy example. Some people may wear masks or sunglasses that prevent Face ID from working properly (both completely break it on my face, thankfully I don't wear them all the time). These people would rather have fingerprint lock. On Android phone, you can choose to get it, with iPhones you can't.
Also, some features are just novelties and that's normal. Nobody needs the newest phones, people also want features just because they're cool. If you just want iOS, you get the features Apple chose this year. If you pick Android phones, you have more choice. Wrong choices? Right choices? Still something you can choose.
Yes, and a lot more malware as well.
That's true. It's a risk I'm willing to take and many people think the same. I couldn't even have emulators on iOS until this year, it's been possible forever on Android an that was definitely worth it for me when I had more time to play games.
Sure, but I don't need that. My phone needs to do the thing I bought it for, and nothing else. There are a lot more people warming up to devices that have a simple ui and takes away stress.
Again, it feels like you like iOS but... are you actually interested in what other people may need? Phones may be all about practicality for you but since we basically live inside them now, for many people, especially young people, they are also a fashion choice and a projection of their personality. I'm not one of them but I understand their point of view. So does Apple, since they finally added some customization. Unimportant to you, pretty important to other people.
The only "cost" an iPhone has is the device and the apps you buy. You can absolutely use everything for free. Sure if you want more then you have to pay for that. But you ABSOLUTELY do so with Android. Which are full of ads and Google watching your every move to deliver you even more ads.
Privacy is a huge and valid concern on Android. They give you a free OS and want your data as a payment. Not good. But you are replying to my reasons why somebody should switch to Android with reasons why they shouldn't. And I know them all, I was just listing the pros and hope you skeptical guys understand them. Then everybody can decide what's more important for them.
And my point here was that Apple stuff works better with Apple services. Cool. You like your iPhone? Have iCloud. Not the best cloud service, but you basically have no choice. They tried to lock you in it with Whatsapp and their native apps that absolutely required iCloud for backups (sometimes it is the only option). You need a new phone and you don't like the new iPhone or its pricing? You're locked in or you lose some of your data. Try moving the mails.
Apple is undeniably doing this a lot. Some Android manufacturers are trying too but they have much less power and more direct competitors.

I use an iPhone btw but there are definitely a lot of Android features I miss.
 
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Ah the intermediate stage between tech noob and veteran.

It's fun to customise things when you're starting out. Eventually you learn that you're just wasting time for the most part, fiddling with stuff that really, really doesn't matter and the default UI decisions usually work well enough to not waste time messing with. There's bigger problems in the world to solve and/or more important work to do.

I barely even change my desktop wallpaper these days unless its a machine I establish remote sessions to, in order to remind me that I'm logged into a remote device before I do something like shut it down :D
24 years into Apple stuff, nerd and developer. I definitely consider myself a veteran :)
Even if we're about things like custom icons and using comic sans as a font, well, that's something some people want and Android delivers, iOS doesn't. As I said somewhere else, we're so connected with our phones now that it's normal to want to customize it like we do our cars, especially for younger people who need to express themselves. It's human.
But in many situations, Apple is just making bad choices for you, in terms of UX.
Among my everyday struggles with iOS, the way you turn wi-fi on and off from the quick menu. Well, you just can't turn wi-fi off actually from there. Moreover, they changed it with iOS 18 and in the first versions, you couldn't have the wi-fi button outside of a little squares with other stuff. I couldn't even change that, thankfully they changed back it a little later.
I'm definitely always willing to spend 5 minutes changing stuff that will make my life easier for years, when I'm allowed to do it. I used to also do it in the way you mean it, just for the fun of customizing things and wasting time, when I was younger but that's not the case now and I hate when I know I could make something better and can't.
 
You can set the settings however you want, google has all your data either way. Especially if you use an app specifically designed to copy all your data.
Then don't do that. I don't really see what you are scared of. If I use an app that end to end encrypted and a firewall that prevents data from going to Google, then you have a much better system than Apple.

Most of Apple's security and privacy is hype anyway. We cannot install tools to monitor Apple supposedly good behavior so how do you know?
 
> What makes Android "less boring"?

It's completely a matter of taste. I run applications on iOS by searching for them in Spotlight (90%) and scrolling through the App Library (10%). My home screen is empty (for reasons unrelated to this discussion).

Almost every time I use the App Library, I find myself wishing I could use Niagara (you can Google it). Apple's implementation of the app launcher feels pretty mediocre to me.

A separate issue is the Shortcuts app--such poorly implemented automation. I prefer Tasker/etc on Android.

Google Keyboard is perfect for swipe-typing on Android. All 3rd party keyboards on iOS are crap.

> iOS wins in the end.

I agree with you. After two attempts, I ended up returning to iOS both times.

Here are my cons for Android:
  • I don't like how pages scroll in Chrome; Safari is much better.
  • Ads. I can (and would) use AdGuard at the system level, so this is fixable.
  • The absence of apps like Drafts, Bear Notes, Infuse, and a few other well-polished ones. I'd use Obsidian for note-taking, but it's not as good.
So, while I'd like to have an Android device, it wouldn't be my primary phone.
 
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Define "good". For people who make calls, use WhatsApp and social networks, there's no need to get a high-end phone. They run perfectly, not sure when's the last time you had a cheap phone as a daily driver. Try it.

Before I bought the iPhone 6 (my first ever iPhone) I used a Windows Mobile phone. I absolutely hated the thing. Slow and terrible app support. The times I've used Android (as a developer) have been worse though. And yes, I still use Android for that singular purpose. And my opionion on it hasn't improved in the last 10+ years. And for me that says enough. And for development I don't use a "high end" device, I use one from the low-to-midrange. Coming with every single issue I have ever had with Android. Enough reason, for me, to never ever ever want to switch to it. I'd rather get myself a Nokia dumbphone than an Android.

Manufacturers customize their OS. Google puts no constraint on hardware. Want an audio jack? You can find it. Want foldable? Here it is. Want huge batteries and not ultraslim phones? And so on.
Google does have minimum requirements that increase with each major Android version. That you can add a port to it doesn't change that.

hardwaaaare...

All the features YOU need. There's not just you in this world.
A very easy example. Some people may wear masks or sunglasses that prevent Face ID from working properly (both completely break it on my face, thankfully I don't wear them all the time). These people would rather have fingerprint lock. On Android phone, you can choose to get it, with iPhones you can't.
Also, some features are just novelties and that's normal. Nobody needs the newest phones, people also want features just because they're cool. If you just want iOS, you get the features Apple chose this year. If you pick Android phones, you have more choice. Wrong choices? Right choices? Still something you can choose.
I am not going to dictate my opinion on others. So I only say what applies to myself.

I want a phone that I can rely on, every day. My phone is my main tool to contact my family, colleges and friends when they're not around. That device needs to be reliable. And that is not something I associate to features that will either be underdevelopped or killed of when Google doesn't want them anymore. (See: killedbygoogle.com)

That's true. It's a risk I'm willing to take and many people think the same. I couldn't even have emulators on iOS until this year, it's been possible forever on Android an that was definitely worth it for me when I had more time to play games.
However the risk you take is not limited to your device. If you connect your device to the internet it might be used in a botnet to attack other devices. Or in a network it could infect other devices.

Again, it feels like you like iOS but... are you actually interested in what other people may need? Phones may be all about practicality for you but since we basically live inside them now, for many people, especially young people, they are also a fashion choice and a projection of their personality. I'm not one of them but I understand their point of view. So does Apple, since they finally added some customization. Unimportant to you, pretty important to other people.
I don't like thinking for other people, like I said. I don't force my opinions on others.

Also I used the customisation options from iOS 18 once. To put my preferred icons where I would get the most use out of them. And there they'll stay until something changes and I need to update them. But I already did things like that on my iPhone 6 all those years ago. Only iOS 18 is more effective. So better in doing the things I need. Not doing things because it's cool / fun.

Privacy is a huge and valid concern on Android. They give you a free OS and want your data as a payment. Not good. But you are replying to my reasons why somebody should switch to Android with reasons why they shouldn't. And I know them all, I was just listing the pros and hope you skeptical guys understand them. Then everybody can decide what's more important for them.
And my point here was that Apple stuff works better with Apple services. Cool. You like your iPhone? Have iCloud. Not the best cloud service, but you basically have no choice. They tried to lock you in it with Whatsapp and their native apps that absolutely required iCloud for backups (sometimes it is the only option). You need a new phone and you don't like the new iPhone or its pricing? You're locked in or you lose some of your data. Try moving the mails.
Apple is undeniably doing this a lot. Some Android manufacturers are trying too but they have much less power and more direct competitors.
I can switch to / between any device I want. Sure I use iCloud, but within 10 minutes I have downloaded all data stored on it and moved to my PC or Mac.

Also..
They tried to lock you in it with Whatsapp and their native apps that absolutely required iCloud for backups (sometimes it is the only option).
I didn't know Apple developed Whatsapp............ No it's up to Meta (developer of Whatsapp) to implement backup to other "cloud" services as well. Apple can't force that.
 
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Before ...
We got into a long conversations so I'll reply in a shorter way, sorry...
Anyway, I get your points, especially the security concerns. I don't think you want to force your opinion on others :) it's just that my original post was answering "why would anyone switch to Android" so all the bad things you say must be balanced with pros. And in some case, just to not having $1000 for a phone.
 
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Every time I read an utterly inane comment like theirs, I find it much easier to remind myself that there are a lot of literal children on the internet, tell yourself that a 12-year-old wrote those comments and in 10 years time they'll look back on how they used to be as a person and physically recoil with embarrassment.

Whew, I can smell your smugness from here doc.
 
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That is not a fact, it’s an opinion. Learn the difference.
Even the most strident fans here agree, although you may not, it doesn’t make it any less true. It is not necessarily a bad thing mind you but all the creativity has left the room design-wise.

Also- don’t tell me what to do, you’re not my real dad
 
iPhones are boring. It’s just a fact. I’ve had every last one. My favorite is the 13PM
Boring is a phone that requires to waste time and money trying to make it work. A phone that needs an antivirus to be safe. That's a boring phone.
The iPhone is far from boring. Whenever I want to use it, it just works and does what I want.
Changing colors and adding blink-blink to the screen is not my definition of fun. That's just childish and girlish.
 
You can't handle a small sarcastic joke.
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That's what it is. Otherwise you wouldn't be engaging with replies..
 
Then don't do that. I don't really see what you are scared of. If I use an app that end to end encrypted and a firewall that prevents data from going to Google, then you have a much better system than Apple.

Most of Apple's security and privacy is hype anyway. We cannot install tools to monitor Apple supposedly good behavior so how do you know?
It doesn’t prevent your data from going to google. It’s not better than apple’s. Google gets you data. That’s what they do. It’s their whole business model. They might encrypt it to keep others from getting it before they do, but they get it.
 
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For me, reasons I’m considering a switch are
  • too many bugs in the Apple ecosystem in recent times (problems with Photos for example)
  • I prefer the cameras of some Android mobile phones (Sony Xperia in particular)
  • Support for AptX and LDAC Bluetooth codecs
  • I feel locked in (in a golden cage maybe, but still)
Edit: I have already switched from macOS back to Windows (after 24 years), so the advantage of having everything in the same ecosystem is gone anyway. And I always saw iOS primarily as an extension of macOS for my usage.

Edit 2: I also already use Sony WH-1000XM5 and WF-1000XM5 instead of AirPods Max and Pros, both because I prefer their sound quality (and possibility to EQ) and their microphone quality in calls. And I can use them for the corporate laptop as well.
Have fun while it lasts... Once the honeymoon is over, reality will hit you. And we will be here waiting.
 
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My stomach starts cramping everytime I read people trying to make android sound better than iPhone 😂🤣😂

I love how I can immediately tell when someone takes a picture with an iPhone. Even if it’s high end. They have these cheap looking clouds on them I can always tell it’s android.
 
Have you considered making a shortcut to turn wifi on/off based on location with a shortcut/automation?
My problem is with wifi turning back on on its own from that "almost off" state and I don't think shortcuts can actually turn it off.
 
I had to switch to Android as the app for my new insulin pump isn't available on iOS. There is a lot to like about Android but I have a lot of Apple hardware and services that just don't work on Android so will be switching back as soon as my insulin pump software is available on iOS next year. Also the alerts on iOS are hard coded into my brain and I simply don't register the ones from Android, it's the little things that make it difficult to swap.
I hear you. I've lost my mind with Apple Watch complication restrictions, and Standby mode's often taking 15-20 minutes to update widget data. Tim Cook did an interview on what he first does when he reads an email from the public with an issue they bring up, asking himself 'Well, is that accurate or not?' Tim... this is my every moment. The glucose reading I see on my wrist or screen likely isn't up to date. Is it that tough to have an always powered mode - Standby show up to date glucose readings?

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I have switched back and forth over the years between iphone and android, having an app like this should be great for people.
 
Have fun while it lasts... Once the honeymoon is over, reality will hit you. And we will be here waiting.
Oh that's absolutely possible, I'm not ruling that out.

Having said that, the reason I've switched to Windows is a bit due to the fact that my "marriage" with macOS didn't work out so well, or as they say, our lifes took different paths. So it's not that I'm saying that Apple is an ugly b*tch and the biggest mistake of my life, more that I'm a little sad that things turned out the way they turned out, to stay within that analogy ;)

I might also add that I'm working in IT and have a 25 years background as a systems engineer in both Windows and Linux, so at least in terms of knowledge, it's not a problem for me switch back and forth between all these systems. It's more a matter of overcoming the laziness to switch services etc.

10 or 15 years ago, I was still a die-hard Apple fanboi. And I might well be one again in another 10 years, who knows.

I guess I'm just not so happy with the direction Apple took under Tim Cook and once he's getting replaced, things might change for the better again (or for the worse).
 
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Have fun while it lasts... Once the honeymoon is over, reality will hit you. And we will be here waiting.
I have used many iphones and android phones, both are good choices. If you get a flagship android phone they are pretty amazing and are equal to or surpass iphones in terms of hardware and OS. Plus, the android on screen navigation bar is second to none, I wish Apple did something like that.
 
Why would an iOS user downgrade to android? Insane.

The 3rd party apps are worse, their app store is full of malware, the security is worse, the update support is worse, the hardware and software are mismatched, the phones ship with tons of OEM and carrier bloatware, and the devices have zero resale value/equity. But they still charge you iphone prices for something that is not and never will be an iphone-tier product
Some of the worst fanboism I've seen, kudos
 
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Is it still true that RCS (for those carriers using Jibe) is still better from iPhone to Android and iPhone to iPhone (images not compressed) than from Android to Android (images compressed)?
 
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