iPad Pro Grainy display on new iPad Pro M4?

[PaperMag]

Without having a source in front of me, but going off what I’ve read in posts many times, you have that backwards. LG does all the 13”, but 11” is split between LG and Samsung.

Going theory when this issue first came to light is it’s the Samsung panels on the far side of variance (there was a recent Samsung device with the same issue) but I don’t know that it’s been at all substantiated.

Yup, from kevindick217's post (here):

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1769761878530531405

 

[IT Troll]

I actually took a photo while I was tying my response the other day. It’s attached. It’s at normal viewing distance, but the result in the same at eyeball-to-screen level. I supoose you can see some irregularity if you zoom the photo to the max - but that’s an artifact of the photo, not the screen itself. There is no “grain” on the screen.

It also out of focus or has some motion blur which makes it hard to assess. There is something going on, but as you said, hard to say if there is grain or just jpeg noise.

 

[IT Troll]

Here is a photo taken this evening during dusk/twilight with low ambient light and low screen brightness. I think this is an accurate example of what I see. Tap to see the original, the forum thumbnail is rather low quality.

 

[NauticalDan]

That’s interesting. I totally see the grain there. I tried taking a picture of your picture (to act as a control to compare to), and a new picture of my screen, under similar conditions to see if that resulted in any new discoveries. Don’t know if it did, but here it is. I do see a difference.

photo of your photo:

new photo of my iPad:

 

[IT Troll]

I tried taking a picture of your picture (to act as a control to compare to), and a new picture of my screen, under similar conditions to see if that resulted in any new discoveries.

I think you discovered double grain. 😀 Adding your grain to my grain. It certainly exaggerated the effect.
I think it is useful to show some background environment in the photo to demonstrate scale and overall image clarity.

 

[EugW]

apples to oranges. Are you comparing a close up picture of your OLED TV with the close up pictures of the iPad Pro screen? At home I assume you are not sitting with your nose pressed to the screen. Are you confident from 6 feet away you would see this on your tv even if it was an issue?

I am a pragmatist. I don't go looking for problems under artificial conditions, I never zoom in on my iPad screen like these pictures, the question to me is how does something look at the design distance? I love my 77 inch OLED LG TV screen, and I do enjoy my iPad Pro OLED screen. In actual use I have not been distracted by grain gate, but do marvel at the blacks and color range. Is it that much better than previous generation? It's not like going from a regular screen to a high resolution screen, but I do like the colors a tad more in my sunset pictures.

Sorry, I am in the camp that think this has been blow way out of proportion for the majority of users. I have no doubt there have been a few screens with legitimate issues outside of spec that needed to be returned, there always is for all products, but that does not mean its a widespread issue as some would suggest. If you don't like it, return it. Seems simple to me.

Everyone is different, but my usage with TVs is indeed different than with iDevices.

1. I always watch my OLED TV with my glasses on from about 7-8 feet away. Plus I almost never watch solid dark grey forum pages on my TV. However, even the times I've pixel peeped just for the heluvit from up close, the pixel variability wasn't so noticeable. The main problem I've seen in real world watching is with streaming video as there are noticeable compression artifacts on some sources most noticeable in dark shadows, as well as black crush. The compression artifacts are due to the original compression, and the black crush is due to the TV.

2. I am nearsighted, and with my iDevices, I sometimes prefer to take my glasses off for brief periods in certain situations, and when I do that I bring the screen closer to my face, especially if there is small text. With my iPhone 12 Pro Max, I notice no visible graininess. I don't have the iPad Pro 11 yet, but if @IT Troll's photo is any indication, I'd probably sometimes notice it. Fortunately, I do this less often with my iPad than I do with my iPhone.

 

[Rafterman]

That’s interesting. I totally see the grain there. I tried taking a picture of your picture (to act as a control to compare to), and a new picture of my screen, under similar conditions to see if that resulted in any new discoveries. Don’t know if it did, but here it is. I do see a difference.

photo of your photo:

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new photo of my iPad:

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I took another stab at it. Dark room, 20 percent brightness, also 50 percent, 100 percent. 13 inch. I ready don't see it. Maybe if I'm at 20 percent and zoom in to MacRumors forum, then use a magnifying glass to go further, maaaaybe. But even then, I'm not really sure. I could also say equally it looks OK too. But it definitely doesn't look like your screenshots, not even close.

 

[NauticalDan]

I’ve never seen it on mine either, but I think I would if it existed the same way it does for @IT Troll

 

[sparksd]

I took another stab at it. Dark room, 20 percent brightness, also 50 percent, 100 percent. 13 inch. I ready don't see it. Maybe if I'm at 20 percent and zoom in to MacRumors forum, then use a magnifying glass to go further, maaaaybe. But even then, I'm not really sure. I could also say equally it looks OK too. But it definitely doesn't look like your screenshots, not even close.

I also tried, 13" Pro, using magnified reading glasses and couldn't see it. Anything that requires me to go to that much trouble to detect is not a problem for me to worry about.

 

[Rafterman]

I also tried, 13" Pro, using magnified reading glasses and couldn't see it. Anything that requires me to go to that much trouble to detect is not a problem for me to worry about.

Yeah, I forgot the blanket over my head, during a moonless night, on the event horizon of a black hole. Grain!!! Maybe.

 

[lyunmac]

I can see slight grain on grey sites like Mac rumors and the Gmail app in dark mode. I have to squint to see it. I looked at my Galaxy Tab S9 ultra and I don't really see it there. I bought it for photo editing on the go and my "laptop" but I dont see it being an issue for me. I'll think about it if it bothers me enough to ask for a swap. It's barely noticeable for me.

 

[G5isAlive]

I am nearsighted, and with my iDevices, I sometimes prefer to take my glasses off for brief periods in certain situations, and when I do that I bring the screen closer to my face, especially if there is small text. With my iPhone 12 Pro Max, I notice no visible graininess. I don't have the iPad Pro 11 yet, but if @IT Troll's photo is any indication, I'd probably sometimes notice it. Fortunately, I do this less often with my iPad than I do with my iPhone.

All I can say is I too am nearsighted, but I don’t have to rely on someone’s photo to form an impression. I don’t see it on my 13” iPad Pro M4.

 

[Kahnforever]

Screenshot right now. 13” M4. 22% brightness and low ambient light.

 

[Kahnforever]

Here is a photo taken this evening during dusk/twilight with low ambient light and low screen brightness. I think this is an accurate example of what I see. Tap to see the original, the forum thumbnail is rather low quality.

View attachment 2384817

That is a garbage pale. Reminds me of pre-TFT screens on laptops from the 1990s. Like the Apple PowerBook 5300. When there is no C on the number, it was an non-TFT screen and grainy as hell.

Screengate!!

 

[IT Troll]

I took another stab at it. Dark room, 20 percent brightness, also 50 percent, 100 percent. 13 inch.

Perhaps it is the Samsung 11" panels which exhibit it more. I've yet to see an in focus photo, free of blur and moire, without grain.

Screenshot right now.

Erm, needs to be a photo.

 

[fitgirl]

Screenshot right now. 13” M4. 22% brightness and low ambient light.

View attachment 2384902

Screenshots won't show the grain

 

[Rafterman]

Perhaps it is the Samsung 11" panels which exhibit it more. I've yet to see an in focus photo, free of blur and moire, without grain.

Erm, needs to be a photo.

Grain is a nature of OLED, so I am sure they all have it, to varying degrees. It seems 11's (Samsung/LG) have it more than 13s, which are all LG. This is what I take from all this so far.

 

[EugW]

Grain is a nature of OLED, so I am sure they all have it, to varying degrees. It seems 11's (Samsung/LG) have it more than 13s, which are all LG. This is what I take from all this so far.

This is an important point. It's been mentioned before but I think it bears repeating.

Just because one customer can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some people may have won the panel lottery, and some people may just be more sensitive to it than others. In fact, we already know the grain exists to some extent in some panels since some of the photos prove it, but whether or not it's significant enough in each individual iPad or for each individual's eye's is a different matter.

And again people, screen grabs do not show grain!

 

[Kahnforever]

Screenshots won't show the grain

And why do you say that.

 

[Kahnforever]

 

[Kahnforever]

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Graingate. The grain sucks. It’s bad in low ambient light.

 

[Kahnforever]

Testing the same conditions on my M3 MBA. Doesn't seem any different. The elements on screen look grainy. It's just the grey colours and low ambient light, etc.

 

[Surfsalot]

How do you test for this?

 

[teohyc]

Alright, now that I look at my tablet from 3cm away. I can see it. But otherwise, I can't.

Not as obvious compared to mini-LED bloom though.

 

[shook187]

How do you test for this?

If you don't see it I recommend you don't test for it...