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zone23

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Only problem is that a faster CPU is not going to get people to buy the phone. Sure those that ride the spec train will buy but beyond that people just don't care. Android needs something to compel people, what that is I'm not sure.
 

skratch77

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Only problem is that a faster CPU is not going to get people to buy the phone. Sure those that ride the spec train will buy but beyond that people just don't care. Android needs something to compel people, what that is I'm not sure.

Actually this time around it will be a huge difference against all other flagships because they are all going s800 and this soc mops the floor with them.
 

MRU

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Actually this time around it will be a huge difference against all other flagships because they are all going s800 and this soc mops the floor with them.


Yeah and no.

Ok so in theory it will open Twitter that nano second faster or such, in real world against other or even current flagships I don't think that extra score in Antutu will translate into overly tangible real world difference. That's not to say it's not great, but I just doubt we will see as big a difference.
 

jrswizzle

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Actually this time around it will be a huge difference against all other flagships because they are all going s800 and this soc mops the floor with them.

Yeah and no.

Ok so in theory it will open Twitter that nano second faster or such, in real world against other or even current flagships I don't think that extra score in Antutu will translate into overly tangible real world difference. That's not to say it's not great, but I just doubt we will see as big a difference.

Not to mention Samsung's biggest competitor isn't other Android OEMs - it's Apple.

And the A9 is sure to be a powerhouse.
 

skratch77

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Not to mention Samsung's biggest competitor isn't other Android OEMs - it's Apple.

And the A9 is sure to be a powerhouse.

endless they go quad core it's not going to beat the exynos 7 As the exynos 7 is already beating 3 core a8x
 

jrswizzle

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endless they go quad core it's not going to beat the exynos 7 As the exynos 7 is already beating 3 core a8x

You're probably right. We'll just have to wait and see.

At any rate, I'll probably hold out for the Note 5. I think I'm going to upgrade my tablet line to a smartphone line (only $5 more per month) and I'll have an AT&T Next upgrade I could use. I'd like to go for a Note.
 

zone23

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Actually this time around it will be a huge difference against all other flagships because they are all going s800 and this soc mops the floor with them.

Yes but your average user doesn't care, they don't know what a S800 or a SOC is.. so mopping the floor with other devices isn't a huge turn on for most. Look at people with iPhone 4 or 4s's that love them they could careless that the iPhone 6 mops the floor with them. Just pointing out that thats not what sells huge quantities of phones. I think its features, what is it going to do that other phones won't?
 

skratch77

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Yes but your average user doesn't care, they don't know what a S800 or a SOC is.. so mopping the floor with other devices isn't a huge turn on for most. Look at people with iPhone 4 or 4s's that love them they could careless that the iPhone 6 mops the floor with them. Just pointing out that thats not what sells huge quantities of phones. I think its features, what is it going to do that other phones won't?

Samsung became what it is with its advanced SoCs with there first exynos SoCs that beat everyone out back in the galaxy s and s2 days.samsung got put on the map with its gs2 with its amazing exynos soc and is one of the main reasons it got where it is today.

I don't care what some think but samsung was always about pushing specs and being the top dog of the android camp.

Even there snapdragon SoCs were clocked a couple hundred mhz faster then any other oem using the same soc at the time.

The gs6 is going to through everthing they have at people this year.

fastest soc
ddr4 ram
16nm
577ppi
20mp

And so on. believe what ever you want but specs is what there going with on this phone.
 

zone23

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Samsung became what it is with its advanced SoCs with there first exynos SoCs that beat everyone out back in the galaxy s and s2 days.samsung got put on the map with its gs2 with its amazing exynos soc and is one of the main reasons it got where it is today.

I don't care what some think but samsung was always about pushing specs and being the top dog of the android camp.

Even there snapdragon SoCs were clocked a couple hundred mhz faster then any other oem using the same soc at the time.

The gs6 is going to through everthing they have at people this year.

fastest soc
ddr4 ram
16nm
577ppi
20mp

And so on. believe what ever you want but specs is what there going with on this phone.

Sorry but I think your kidding yourself if you believe all that people care about are specs. User experience or the features of the device is what's sells it. Camera features/functions for example. Another example was the LG G3 and double tapping the screen to turn it on. People loved that. Weather animations on the lock screen another example.
 

skratch77

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Sorry but I think your kidding yourself if you believe all that people care about are specs. User experience or the features of the device is what's sells it. Camera features/functions for example. Another example was the LG G3 and double tapping the screen to turn it on. People loved that. Weather animations on the lock screen another example.

You know what's grazzy? Iv never seen a lg g3 out in the wild lol let me know when lg sells 60 million flagship phones like Samsung does.

You can almost bet that display mate will rate the 5.1 qhd screen best ever tested also.

If people only cared about user experience then why is samsung using faster SoCs (clocked faster)then every other oem and why did they ditch 810 in favor of the better performance exynos 7.

Heck why did they bother going qhd on such a small screen while we're at it?

Oh and for the record I'm not saying all people care about specs.it's that samsung has always pushed the specs to the limit with ever new galaxy phone since the very first galaxy was made.

The gs6 is going to be a spec monster just like every other galaxy before it.
 
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tbayrgs

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You know what's grazzy? Iv never seen a lg g3 out in the wild lol let me know when lg sells 60 million flagship phones like Samsung does.

You can almost bet that display mate will rate the 5.1 qhd screen best ever tested also.

If people only cared about user experience then why is samsung using faster SoCs (clocked faster)then every other oem and why did they ditch 810 in favor of the better performance exynos 7.

Heck why did they bother going qhd on such a small screen while we're at it?

But skratch, he has a point. This has been Samsung modus operandi for the past few years--bigger, faster, brighter, more, more, more. Every year they benchmark at the top of the class yet what does it get them? Neither the S4 nor S5 were considered top of their class. If they have all this power, why are they continuously criticized for just satisfactory performance? Why do we only see consistent criticism about lag regarding the Galaxies while their competitors, using what you classify as subpar hardware comparatively, get praised for smoother performance (HTC One M7 and M8 were routinely considered smoother performers vs. their Galaxy S4 and S5 counterparts)? Heck, even the original Moto X running a Snapdragon S4 Pro was considered to have a better user experience than the S4.

The S6 may very well be a screamer but the point most here are making is this seems an awful lot like deja vu. We hear about the top notch specs the new Galaxy will have yet performance always seems to come up a bit short of those expectations. Let's hold off on all the accolades until we see the actual handset in action.
 
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Sevanw

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The gs6 is going to through everthing they have at people this year.

fastest soc
ddr4 ram
16nm
577ppi
20mp

The Exynos 7 is an even more impressive 14nm. And the seperate modem is rumored to be CAT10. The metal design of the Note 4 was a big plus, but the fact remains, the GS6 is their main dog. I'll still stick with the Note line in future upgrades, but I'll be waiting anxiously for the unveiling of the GS6.
 

zone23

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You know what's grazzy? Iv never seen a lg g3 out in the wild lol let me know when lg sells 60 million flagship phones like Samsung does.

You can almost bet that display mate will rate the 5.1 qhd screen best ever tested also.

If people only cared about user experience then why is samsung using faster SoCs (clocked faster)then every other oem and why did they ditch 810 in favor of the better performance exynos 7.

Heck why did they bother going qhd on such a small screen while we're at it?

Oh and for the record I'm not saying all people care about specs.it's that samsung has always pushed the specs to the limit with ever new galaxy phone since the very first galaxy was made.

The gs6 is going to be a spec monster just like every other galaxy before it.

If this is all true then why is Samsungs mobile division doing so poorly? BTW I know 3 people that have LG G2 or G3's. I had one as well. Touch Wiz is the problem with Samsung phones and if Samsung doesn't do something all the specs in the world aren't going to save it. HTC is doing well because people love the Sense interface, not because it has blah, blah processor and RAM. I loved Sense too until the removed animated weather from the lockscreen which LG actually added. Based on what your saying is it can have the worst user experience ever as long as it has monster specs, I disagree.
 

Vegastouch

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Isn't the big news for the GS6 is TouchWiz is being eliminated or cut way back and they are leaving most if not all the bloat off of it? That's big if so. I didn't mind TW as a whole, I just didn't like the launcher at all.

I don't think Samsungs mobile division is doing poorly, it just hasn't sold as many lately and I don't think it has anything to do with TW.
 

jamezr

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Isn't the big news for the GS6 is TouchWiz is being eliminated or cut way back and they are leaving most if not all the bloat off of it? That's big if so. I didn't mind TW as a whole, I just didn't like the launcher at all.

I don't think Samsungs mobile division is doing poorly, it just hasn't sold as many lately and I don't think it has anything to do with TW.

My thoughts as well. They have more competition in some of their key markets.
 

lazard

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Isn't the big news for the GS6 is TouchWiz is being eliminated or cut way back and they are leaving most if not all the bloat off of it? That's big if so. I didn't mind TW as a whole, I just didn't like the launcher at all.

I don't think Samsungs mobile division is doing poorly, it just hasn't sold as many lately and I don't think it has anything to do with TW.

the emergence of one+ and xiaomi in China and India certainly hit Samsung in the gut.
 

MRU

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the emergence of one+ and xiaomi in China and India certainly hit Samsung in the gut.
Xioami yes (they sold millions)

but.... One+ likely around 300 - 500,000 units only in China - not so much. (Based on the fact that their sales figure for 2014 was only 500,000 in both China and Globally)

Until people can walk into a store and buy a phone like the One+ its impact will be marginal.

Now One+ is available in India it will sell well but sales will still be constrained by availability / production capacity which is clearly still very much an ongoing issue.
 

lowendlinux

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Only problem is that a faster CPU is not going to get people to buy the phone. Sure those that ride the spec train will buy but beyond that people just don't care. Android needs something to compel people, what that is I'm not sure.

For some the fact that it's Android is the compelling part.
 

jrswizzle

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I'm still holding fast with the belief that Samsung's biggest competitor is NOT another Android OEM.

They've already left all of those guys in the dust (from a flagship perspective - we can talk about lower cost in places like China and India where they're low-end marketshare is being gutted).

They'll have to out-do Apple's 2015 flagship. Which won't happen (from a sales perspective - and possibly from a performance perspective). Between Apple dominating them at the high-end and the Xiaomis and Huaweis hitting them on the low-end, Samsung is finding it difficult to continue to grow.

I think we've seen their peak. They'll continue to be successful, but I don't think they'll remain the top smartphone OEM globally for all that much longer.

Too much competition. Seems like Apple has been smart to focus on one market and dominate it. Even while everyone was screaming for them to enter the low-end market, I don't think they would've done as well as they would've wanted to - and it would've compromised the brand quality.

Samsung can beef their specs up all they want - at the end of the day, people aren't buying specs. They are buying the experience at the high-end (Apple) and cheap at the low-end (Xiamoi and others).
 
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