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Nate455

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Ipads are easy to carry around in business meetings. In the future, we will see them being used more often as they get more powerful and can do more.
 

EugW

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Sad to say but there’s a lot of truth to that. I work in the medical field and I see a lot of physicians drive to work in six figure imports. And then there’s a few (not a lot) who drive their hooptie to work. I’m sure there’s a correlation to what people drive and what devices they use daily, whether they can afford it or need it.
Most physicians can afford it though.
 

LeeW

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Ipads are easy to carry around in business meetings. In the future, we will see them being used more often as they get more powerful and can do more.

They are already way more powerful but can’t do more. For many years now it’s not performance that is a limiting factor.

The new iPad is now 20% more powerful and as a result i can do far more than the previous model. Said no one ever.
 

RedWeasel

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Unfortunately, (once we grew substantially) a large majority of people coming into the company have not used Apple laptops/IPP previously and it just got boring people unwilling to learn something new, so we transitioned to Windows laptops for most people now (unless they specifically ask for Apple).

A shame really that the vocal minority who lacked professional curiosity ruined it for others, as starting at our company getting a MBP/A was seen as a real treat for people as they got to keep their devices after 3 years.
What now? Was it a majority or a minority who did not want to use Apple?
 
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RedWeasel

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Ten people were in the meeting...

Five iPad Pros (including two of the most recent M4 models - one 11 inch and 1 13 inch, mine)
4 Windows Laptops
1 Macbook Air

And people claim iPads aren't for work?
I'm more surprised that those big executives were actually using their own computers. Usually they have assistants (who know how to use a computer)

With most top executives I have dealt with, you had to be kind of thankful if they were able to join a Teams meeting on their own ;)
(regardless of the device they were using)
 

sparksd

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Interesting. I'm retired now but back in the large company I worked at (employee count in 6 digits), it was Windows only, company supplied - personal devices were not allowed for work usage.
 

kc9hzn

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Uhhhh… in Enterprise most Developers, and Engineers use Macs and use iPads. Maybe in SMB. But I’d say for easily the last 6ish years easily 70% of the Fortune 500 meetings I’ve had with both management, and operations have been predominately Apple dominated…

Sure, Surfaces show up, but honestly I’d say they may make up ABOUT 10% of the devices seen in meetings?

No disrespect intended, but I’ve been spending the past 12ish years working in the Fortune 500 as customers.

In all honesty, all my professional development these days might have me testing locally on Windows, but deployment is almost universally to a Linux server. Doesn’t matter what it is, deployment is almost always to a Linux server*. Desktop software is a niche development category these days, and even mobile development is pretty niche (though it still seems to be a lucrative niche professionally). So little development needs to be done ON Windows these days (and a lot of development is actually HARDER to do on Windows vs something UNIX based). And even then, you can just use remote desktop and connect to whatever platform you need (my work issued laptop is running Windows 11, but it really just is a thin client and web browser, I don’t even have file system access for security reasons, and the computers at the office are literal thin clients**).

I’m really not sure what work, if any, truly needs WinTel anymore (other than vendor lock in workflows dependent on VBA or on Office itself). Well, okay, game development probably still heavily relies on WinTel, but, outside of PC Master Race sorts, most people running WinTel are either running browser based apps, Microsoft Office (or VBA dependent workflows), or writing desktop software for Windows. Anymore, PCs are either for computer gaming or are merely thin clients. I’m sure that horrifies Microsoft, but even they are adapting (.NET is now multiplatform, after all).

* Well, okay, there was that ancient VBA automation system I had to maintain on an earlier project, and that was Windows exclusive. But even on that project, I also pushed Python to Linux servers.

** Granted, thin clients running Windows 10 on x86, but still literal thin clients.
 
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TechnoMonk

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Why on earth would you prefer to work on an 11-13" touchscreen (or even a laptop), than a desktop with multiple screens, a proper keyboard and mouse? I get it if you need to get *some* work done on a train, but otherwise it's about 10% as efficient, for the ergonomics alone.

Plus an iPad wouldn't be my first choice for 3D rendering, even if Octane technically exists on it.
Why would I want to be tied to a desk. I enjoy working on iPad Pro, I can easily connect to my 16 MBP or my Linux workstation. After a neck injury couple years back, my iPad Pro gets used more. It’s pain working on MBP from a hotel room, I can’t take my workstation with me on the flight.
 
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EugW

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The amount of contempt I see in this thread for executives is kind of amusing, although kinda sad at the same time. Just because someone is an exec doesn't mean they have to be a tech expert. It really depends on the field.

Anyhow, I find the execs that are clueless with technology tend to be older and didn't grow up with that tech, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that some may have problems with such tech.

In contrast, the younger ones tend to be more tech savvy. Not always, but on average more tech savvy than the older ones.

But as mentioned, this should not come as a surprise.

Interesting. I'm retired now but back in the large company I worked at (employee count in 6 digits), it was Windows only, company supplied - personal devices were not allowed for work usage.
Back in the day at my old workplace, every person in a certain class of position had to have a Blackberry. It was a requirement by the institution for device management and security reasons. However, 3/4 of the people in those positions just hated Blackberries. So what happened was most of them bought their own iPhones and continued to use them, alongside those despised Blackberries. This included many in management positions (since those jobs were upper tier jobs with a lot of them also doing part time management work). (That's how they got away with this I guess - they were important high tier positions and there were a lot of them, so they had a lot of clout.) Finally after a couple of years of this, the institution relented and specifically allowed iPhones, but only if they installed third party security software on them so that the IT department could ensure the security on the devices. This was a compromise that most were willing to agree upon. Then about a year later, they added Android to the mix.

And now, Blackberry is dead. IMO, in this case, it was the workplace and IT department that were behind the times, slow to adopt iPhones and Android phones, and stuck on the old school Blackberries because they were what they were used to.
 
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Isengardtom

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Interesting. I'm retired now but back in the large company I worked at (employee count in 6 digits), it was Windows only, company supplied - personal devices were not allowed for work usage.
That’s changed a lot now that everything is accessible via the web. You just need to log in with your work Microsoft account and the device doesn‘t matter
 
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Isengardtom

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They are already way more powerful but can’t do more. For many years now it’s not performance that is a limiting factor.

The new iPad is now 20% more powerful and as a result i can do far more than the previous model. Said no one ever.
What can you do with your M3 MacBook Air that your M2 or M1 can’t do? Or your MacBook Pro for that matter?
 

GerritV

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IMHO Laptops are an absolute NO-GO in meetings. At least an iPad lies flat like a sheet of paper.
But both devices are a possible source of distraction ("let me check my email real quick").
 

sparksd

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That’s changed a lot now that everything is accessible via the web. You just need to log in with your work Microsoft account and the device doesn‘t matter

The concern we had was protection of certain information and ramifications of it ending up on non-work devices - or the Web.
 

EugW

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IMHO Laptops are an absolute NO-GO in meetings. At least an iPad lies flat like a sheet of paper.
But both devices are a possible source of distraction ("let me check my email real quick").
Well, that wouldn't fly in 95% of workplaces.
 

Isengardtom

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The concern we had was protection of certain information and ramifications of it ending up on non-work devices - or the Web.
True, but ultimately anyone can take a picture with their phone and send information out that way.

And allowing working from home implies that you need to let go of some of these restrictions. Everything is more connected anyways. I think the days that you knew of a supplier somehwere for example who nobody else knew are over.
 
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sparksd

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True, but ultimately anyone can take a picture with their phone and send information out that way.

And allowing working from home implies that you need to let go of some of these restrictions. Everything is more connected anyways. I think the days that you knew of a supplier somehwere for example who nobody else knew are over.

True, but with the data we worked with you'd end up in a cell for mishandling it.
 
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Isengardtom

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IMHO Laptops are an absolute NO-GO in meetings. At least an iPad lies flat like a sheet of paper.
But both devices are a possible source of distraction ("let me check my email real quick").
I agree, I find it very annoying to be in a meeting with everyone’s laptop open and you can just tell when they are chatting on teams / sending mails and not paying attention.
same with the iPad, except when you’re just using it to take notes of the meeting.
 
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kc9hzn

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And industry.
Even then, a lot of that’s handled via private clouds and intranets these days. Collaboration is just too useful to have it silo’d away on someone’s individual computer. Code itself is usually kept in a version control repository.
 
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