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The new TouchWiz interface on the note 4 has all of the features of Google L and more...Samsung even uses the same multitasking window screens.....and the white backgrounds etc.....nice to know...the transition to Google L for the note 4 should be easy...only difference Google L is a simpler interface than TouchWiz as usual

This is hardly the only difference. Touchwiz slows down adoption of new updates and also consumes a TON of memory. Maybe in a few areas of looks it might be the same, but that's where it stops. Touchwiz is garbage.
 

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There are three very important things that Lollipop, (Droid 5), will bring to their environment, and they will all work together.

1. One obvious one will be 64 bit encryption. Though current Droid phones don't currently support it with available hardware, they are all already planning on release of 64 bit hardware support within the next year.

2. Better integration across all platforms. Keeping the operating system updated and integrated will be a centrally controlled function, and not up to the different carrier providers. Also, consistency on how the different apps work will be paramount. They have recognized that this is a huge advantage that IOS has over their operating system.

3. Cleaner and far more optimized. One big bugaboo that is being addressed is the different skins applied by different carriers on top of the Droid OS, (such as Touchwiz), and the present inclussion of intrussive bloatware. This will be eliminated with Lollipop, and the intend is to offer a cleaner, move efficient, and less obtrussive OS environment. Clean or less is better, is their intent.

Droid is making several moves that is definitely getting closer to IOS in terms of functionality and ease of use. By next year, choosing between a Droid and an IOS device is going to be a challenging prospect.
 
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There are three very important things that Lollipop, (Droid 5), will bring to their environment, and they will all work

No, it is not "Droid" .. Droid is a marketing term from Verizon, the OS is called Android. This, and you missed probably the largest change in 5.0, which is moving from a Dalvik (JIT) to ART (precompiled) for runtime.
 

Lankyman

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I hate to say it even though I am the biggest apple fan boy in the world...but I have been looking at android lollipop and I feel it looks so much better than ios 8! Making me have massive buyers remorse £700 phone but the os may be crippling it!!

Here's an example...

http://youtu.be/xraharl9PAI

Hmm thoughts please...

The thoughts are that you are most definitely correct in you assessment. However, you are on the wrong forum for gaining much support for what you say I'm afraid.

I'm sad to say it, however, there are many posters on here that are so loved up with Apple that if TC put out a statement that as from midnight all their Apple kit was going to stop working many would simply accept it - and manage to give it a positive spin.

I suppose the iPhone is OK for those that don't mind being spoon fed. I like my iPad or did until iOS 8 messed it up. It was however the only thing like it at the time I bought it.

Whether I will buy another or go with another manufacturer remains to be decided.

I tend to be of the view that Apple would be more innovative if their customers were more vocal.
 

mercuryjones

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The thoughts are that you are most definitely correct in you assessment. However, you are on the wrong forum for gaining much support for what you say I'm afraid.

I'm sad to say it, however, there are many posters on here that are so loved up with Apple that if TC put out a statement that as from midnight all their Apple kit was going to stop working many would simply accept it - and manage to give it a positive spin.

I suppose the iPhone is OK for those that don't mind being spoon fed. I like my iPad or did until iOS 8 messed it up. It was however the only thing like it at the time I bought it.

Whether I will buy another or go with another manufacturer remains to be decided.

I tend to be of the view that Apple would be more innovative if their customers were more vocal.
There is also the other side of the coin - people that hate Apple so much, that no matter what Apple did, they would still find the negative in it.
Apple could solve world hunger and get rid of poverty and homelessness in our lifetime, and people would complain about the food and shelter provided by Apple as not being what they wanted.
 

ZombiePete

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Different strokes for different folks. Android is a great mobile OS that has a lot to offer, and so its differences are its strengths when compared to iOS. Where they offer the same kinds of services/support, though, I tend to prefer iOS just because it's smoother and simpler. I used to love Android for the ability to tinker with it, but after a while I started wishing that it would just do what I wanted it to do out of the box.

Plus, the trepidation of buying a non-Nexus device and wondering if it's going to be able to be unlocked so that you can do that tinkering sucks too. I remember when I bought my Galaxy S4 the first thing I checked was the firmware version to ensure that the last working exploit would still work, because otherwise I was going to return it right there. If I were going to buy an Android today, I would only consider a Nexus device.
 

Lankyman

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Different strokes for different folks. Android is a great mobile OS that has a lot to offer, and so its differences are its strengths when compared to iOS. Where they offer the same kinds of services/support, though, I tend to prefer iOS just because it's smoother and simpler. I used to love Android for the ability to tinker with it, but after a while I started wishing that it would just do what I wanted it to do out of the box.

Plus, the trepidation of buying a non-Nexus device and wondering if it's going to be able to be unlocked so that you can do that tinkering sucks too. I remember when I bought my Galaxy S4 the first thing I checked was the firmware version to ensure that the last working exploit would still work, because otherwise I was going to return it right there. If I were going to buy an Android today, I would only consider a Nexus device.
Sony are making some really nice stuff these days with very little interference with stock Android.
 

ZombiePete

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Sony are making some really nice stuff these days with very little interference with stock Android.

So is HTC, but I still wouldn't buy an Android phone that didn't support bootloader unlocking from the factory. Why deny yourself one of the greatest advantages (and potential pitfalls, admittedly) of Android right out of the box?
 

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And Apple implemented a good working fingerprint reader, and then you saw all of the Android handset manufacturers try and implement their own.
Actually, the Motorola Atrix had a fingerprint reader before Apple. It just wasn't a very big selling device. Android was still a crappy UI then, but the fingerprint reader on the Atrix wasn't bad at all.
That said, 'all the handset manufacturers' are trying to implement this feature? Does Samsung equate to 'all' OEM's now?

Apple designed a 64 Bit mobile processor and OS, and now you see Google and partners try to do the same.
64bit was partly gimmick and partly future-proofing. Apple didn't need to do it last year and Android doesn't need to do it this year, but spec wars dictate if one OS gets something, then the other will follow suit. Android will be able to take full advantage of 64bit processors first though, since they are reaching that 4gb of RAM barrier.

Apple came up with a very well thought out and working, remote phone finder and security for it to make sure that even if your phone is stolen, you should either be able to find it or make it so the thief can't use it. And now Google is trying to catch up.
Apple designed a backup and restore process that is dead simple and efficient and now you see Android finally catching up to it.
Yep, Android added a feature that iOS had. Shall we name all the features that iOS has copied from Android? Does it really matter though, as long as the consumer is the benefactor?

See, each platform has their strengths and weaknesses and each one learns a bit from the other. To say that one is missing "innovation" is just downright ridiculous.
Agreed.
 

mercuryjones

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Actually, the Motorola Atrix had a fingerprint reader before Apple. It just wasn't a very big selling device. Android was still a crappy UI then, but the fingerprint reader on the Atrix wasn't bad at all.
That said, 'all the handset manufacturers' are trying to implement this feature? Does Samsung equate to 'all' OEM's now?


64bit was partly gimmick and partly future-proofing. Apple didn't need to do it last year and Android doesn't need to do it this year, but spec wars dictate if one OS gets something, then the other will follow suit. Android will be able to take full advantage of 64bit processors first though, since they are reaching that 4gb of RAM barrier.


Yep, Android added a feature that iOS had. Shall we name all the features that iOS has copied from Android? Does it really matter though, as long as the consumer is the benefactor?


Agreed.

I was asked to list things that iOS did that Android didn't or was just getting around to.
As for the fingerprint reader on the Atrix, from what I heard, it was very poorly integrated. And Samsung is not the only OEM doing it. LG ring a bell? I'm sure HTC and the other smaller OEMs will follow along closely, just like they have with the screen sizes and resolutions.
 

mcdj

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What does "overtake" even mean? Android has more users, so it has overtaken iOS in that sense. If you mean a better user experience, it's impossible to gauge due to the 96 variants of Android in the wild.

IMO Android will never be a better user experience as long as there are no Genius Bars, iTunes Match, home sharing, etc...as long as Android can't become part of the Apple ecosystem, it's like comparing a bed and breakfast to a golf resort.
 

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I was asked to list things that iOS did that Android didn't or was just getting around to.
As for the fingerprint reader on the Atrix, from what I heard, it was very poorly integrated. And Samsung is not the only OEM doing it. LG ring a bell? I'm sure HTC and the other smaller OEMs will follow along closely, just like they have with the screen sizes and resolutions.

I don't know of an LG phone currently on the market with a fingerprint reader, but I don't follow them very closely. Please enlighten me as to which LG phone has a fingerprint reader?
But considering HTC, Xiaomi, Nexus, Motorola, HUAWEI, Sony, Oppo or ZTE do not have fingerprint readers in the Android phones, I'll say that the majority of OEM's are not following suit.
 

gotluck

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I was asked to list things that iOS did that Android didn't or was just getting around to.
As for the fingerprint reader on the Atrix, from what I heard, it was very poorly integrated. And Samsung is not the only OEM doing it. LG ring a bell? I'm sure HTC and the other smaller OEMs will follow along closely, just like they have with the screen sizes and resolutions.

samsung is the only android oem with a fingerprint sensor afaik (at least current gen flagship), lg does not

and just for fun, I've been enjoying the new android ads

android-be-together-630x329.jpg
 

lookatchu

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Are you kidding? He asks the phone a math question and it offers him poop pills! And he doesn't bat an eye. It's comedy gold!


Too funny!

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Anyone else having problems watching the YT video due to the phone being dirty?! Yuck! Wipe that phone down with a cloth please!

And it looks like dandruff. You'd think he's clean his phone before filming.

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Android is much more open, because all the customisation every user can do for himself.

There is absolutely nothing that an Android phone does that I wish my iPhone 6, iOS 8 did. I couldn't care less that teens get excited about changing the color of their icons, and think they're genius because they have the ability (via some stupid app of course).
 

mercuryjones

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I don't know of an LG phone currently on the market with a fingerprint reader, but I don't follow them very closely. Please enlighten me as to which LG phone has a fingerprint reader?
But considering HTC, Xiaomi, Nexus, Motorola, HUAWEI, Sony, Oppo or ZTE do not have fingerprint readers in the Android phones, I'll say that the majority of OEM's are not following suit.
Sorry. Thought one of the LG's had it. The HTC Max has one though.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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He tried to open the dialer about 5-6 times. It was time to close the video at that point.

That's a developer preview. Plenty of bugs exist. I can't even get email working on it. Wait until the final release to speak on it.
 

Fireblade

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This discussion is kind of childish, every OS has it's advantages, but both, IOS and Android has overtaken this...

f85faecbe9f4f3476a86ab2fda1f3249.jpg
 

Oohara

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Can't we just have a sticky thread called: "Which is the best, Android or iOS?? - THREAD OF ETERNAL SUFFERING"
 

LIVEFRMNYC

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I don't have any issues with the dialer on the latest dev preview of 5.0? Only one app that I have fails to open, and that is likely a developer issue.

Well I can't speak on the dialer. I'm messing with the preview on my Nexus 7.

Apps that don't work for me are .........
HBO GO, MAX GO, TWC TV, and Default Email. Probably more if I installed more.

Netflix and Youtube work perfectly fine.

It's not an ART problem cause those apps work fine on ART using KitKat.

I've read the file system is slightly changed, so that could be a reason.

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Can't we just have a sticky thread called: "Which is the best, Android or iOS?? - THREAD OF ETERNAL SUFFERING"

:)
 

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Well I can't speak on the dialer. I'm messing with the preview on my Nexus 7.

Apps that don't work for me are .........
HBO GO, MAX GO, TWC TV, and Default Email. Probably more if I installed more.

Netflix and Youtube work perfectly fine.

It's not an ART problem cause those apps work fine on ART using KitKat.

I've read the file system is slightly changed, so that could be a reason.

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:)

I have HBOGO and no problem? I don't use the other ones you mentioned. Could be a slight variation in the code between the 5 and 7 causing issues on non-optimized apps?
 

fredaroony

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OMFG. IKR.
I had a hell of a time figuring that out!
my friends who use android doesn't even know how to uninstall it [they have to use an app, that CHANGES their interface - which almost looks like an iphone UI replica]

I even had to google how to uninstall an app!

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and that's only half the story...

when i googled how to uninstall an app, it was written that the app still RESIDES in the phone after u uninstall it.

and if i remember correctly, u have to install another app to actually REMOVE it.

You should really stick with iOS if you can't figure that out...
 

vomhorizon

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Android is much more open, because all the customisation every user can do for himself. On the iOS you can`t you have to use it as they think it should work. Well... they are wrong.
The biggest problem on android is that every manufacturer puts load of bloatware on and that`s what makes the phone slow, and frustrating to use.
But if you go for the Nexus phone you pretty much get how the android should work. Pure speed, functionality an beauty.
I personally use both platforms, and because of the freedom on android I would say it`s better, but just by the fraction.

The problem them becomes that of having hardware that is really not that great (I am an ex Nexus 5 user). The Nexus 5 had a cheap feel to it, and it had poor battery life and the screen for me was not that great compared to the LG G2. The Nexus 5's stock Phone app was also HORRIBLE, and I ended up installing a third party app (Dialer +) that was also not up to the mark.The Nexus 6 is just too darn big for me, so I am left with no option but to either pick an Android OEM who's UI I can tolerate, or purchase a phone and spend time to play around with it to remove the junk and customize it. If this was 10 years ago, I would have loved it ( in college) but I just want a darn phone that works, and that gets me all I need. In the end I have decided to skip an Android phone for now and Purchase the Nexus Tablet as I need something basic handy and I would love to stay on top of what is going on in Android. In my opinion Samsung, LG and the likes just don't have the design talent as Google or Apple and in the long run I feel MS with Nokia may be able to control its product better.
 
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