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I7guy

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why? who cares?



meh....I don't take the android commercial referenced as verbal abuse. it's just embracing the various models of phones all running android that offer specific features that are target different buyers vs one phone that treats everyone essentially as having the very same needs. true point really.

Not really. In fact very disingenuous. Apple ads do challenge the unique requirements on us. In fact the sheer number of apps signify diversity.

In fact the ecosystem provides for the capability of very diverse needs.
 

pdqgp

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Has Android overtaken iOS?

Not really. In fact very disingenuous. Apple ads do challenge the unique requirements on us. In fact the sheer number of apps signify diversity.



In fact the ecosystem provides for the capability of very diverse needs.


The eco system of apps but so does Play Store; but not the phones. iPhones are all pretty much the same. Not the case with the different models able to run Android. In the end, I don't think we need to debate the OS capabilities again, but from a phone standpoint, there's no denying iPhones are all pretty much the same outside size.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Has Android overtaken iOS?

It's just embracing the various models of phones all running android that offer specific features that are target different buyers vs one phone that treats everyone essentially as having the very same needs. true point really.

That isn't to say all iPhone users have the same needs and use the device in the same way. Most of my friends and family have iPhones but there is enough freedom to explore very different methods of using iOS. We are in danger of stereotyping if we generalise a certain section of users and Apple without acknowledging that.
 

pdqgp

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That isn't to say all iPhone users have the same needs and use the device in the same way. Most of my friends and family have iPhones but there is enough freedom to explore very different methods of using iOS. We are in danger of stereotyping if we generalise a certain section of users and Apple without acknowledging that.

No, of course it's not to say all iPhone users have the same needs. It is to say that all iPhone users don't really have a choice.

If you're a camera buff, you don't get options. If you're into higher resolution screens, you don't get a choice. If you want a different look and feel overall to differentiate your device, you don't get a choice. The list goes on.

The point of Androids new commercial is that with Apple people ask, what kinda phone you have, you say iPhone. Okay, cool, today you might have the larger 6 Plus, but even that is still just a big iPhone like everyone elses.

If you see someone with a non-iPhone, they can say they have an LG, or Sony, Samsung, more functional Phablet, etc and there are plenty of differences to be had and enjoyed and they likely selected that brand and model for a reason. Not so with iPhone. They are all pretty much the same outside now finally size.
 

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No, of course it's not to say all iPhone users have the same needs. It is to say that all iPhone users don't really have a choice.

If you're a camera buff, you don't get options. If you're into higher resolution screens, you don't get a choice. If you want a different look and feel overall to differentiate your device, you don't get a choice. The list goes on.

The point of Androids new commercial is that with Apple people ask, what kinda phone you have, you say iPhone. Okay, cool, today you might have the larger 6 Plus, but even that is still just a big iPhone like everyone elses.

If you see someone with a non-iPhone, they can say they have an LG, or Sony, Samsung, more functional Phablet, etc and there are plenty of differences to be had and enjoyed. Not so with iPhone. They are all pretty much the same.

Exactly, Apple offers just one phone, just differ models that vary from size and gen.
 

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No, of course it's not to say all iPhone users have the same needs. It is to say that all iPhone users don't really have a choice.



If you're a camera buff, you don't get options. If you're into higher resolution screens, you don't get a choice. If you want a different look and feel overall to differentiate your device, you don't get a choice. The list goes on.



The point of Androids new commercial is that with Apple people ask, what kinda phone you have, you say iPhone. Okay, cool, today you might have the larger 6 Plus, but even that is still just a big iPhone like everyone elses.



If you see someone with a non-iPhone, they can say they have an LG, or Sony, Samsung, more functional Phablet, etc and there are plenty of differences to be had and enjoyed. Not so with iPhone. They are all pretty much the same.

We all have the choice to buy whatever phone that appeals in the first place though. If the iPhone was restrictive to the point of frustration, many people including myself would not buy it. The beauty is there is plenty of choice in the market.
 

pdqgp

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We all have the choice to buy whatever phone that appeals in the first place though. If the iPhone was restrictive to the point of frustration, many people including myself would not buy it. The beauty is there is plenty of choice in the market.

agree. back to the original comment I made taken from the Google Commerical, the irony is that yes, there are lots of choices, but if you want iOS then you're selection is to be just like everyone else. Not so with Android. That's their point. "be together, not the same" A variety of devices under the same OS coming together vs all the same devices under the same OS.

can you imaging that same concept in automobilies? If you want a 4cyl 4 door sedan you have to drive the same silver or old-man-tan sedan as everyone else? Yikes!
 
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I7guy

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The eco system of apps but so does Play Store; but not the phones. iPhones are all pretty much the same. Not the case with the different models able to run Android. In the end, I don't think we need to debate the OS capabilities again, but from a phone standpoint, there's no denying iPhones are all pretty much the same outside size.

All Ferarris are pretty much the same also.
 

pdqgp

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All Ferarris are pretty much the same also.

and imagine if everyone one interested in a high end performance car had to drive the same damn model Ferrari. How boring life would be. No thanks. I'll take my twin boosted C6Z06 Vette and continue eating Italian food at the track all day long. Every Saturday to be exact.
 

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and imagine if everyone one interested in a high end performance car had to drive the same damn model Ferrari. How boring life would be. No thanks. I'll take my twin boosted C6Z06 Vette and continue eating Italian food at the track all day long. Every Saturday to be exact.

You can have your corvette. There's a reason there's a years' wait to buy a new Ferrari (iphone).
 

sparky08

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App developers have to make an app that runs on everyone's android phone clearly, everyone's android phone looks so vastly different, whether it be user customization (a lesser issue or non existent) or the worse one, manufacturer skins. This results in apps and elements looking like they don't belong with the rest of the OS, this is pretty annoying for me.

For me, this is a feature, not a bug.
 

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You can have your corvette. There's a reason there's a years' wait to buy a new Ferrari (iphone).

I teach autocross and road course racing and see a lot of Ferrari owners come try and compete against all kinds of others. Much like phones, it's not the device that makes it powerful, it's the driver. However, irony is most Ferrari owners like iPhone users accept the limitations of their rides.

However, much like phones, Vettes are a lot easier and cheaper to customize and often for the capabilities the platform has available, they have huge advantages on the track. Aftermarket support is way better and in the end, the car is way better and loads less expensive.
 

pdqgp

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Same for 5s, 5c, 6 and 6+.

No, not really. They all look the same and function pretty much identically and run the same OS. Yawn.

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Well my dad can beat up your dad, with one arm tied behind his back and blindfolded. You mad?

dude my dad has a way cooler car and carries a modified Samsung tablet that makes calls and fits his huge hands. he wouldn't even use his hands to kick your dads butt. :D
 

I7guy

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I teach autocross and road course racing and see a lot of Ferrari owners come try and compete against all kinds of others. Much like phones, it's not the device that makes it powerful, it's the driver. However, irony is most Ferrari owners like iPhone users accept the limitations of their rides.

However, much like phones, Vettes are a lot easier and cheaper to customize and often for the capabilities the platform has available, they have huge advantages on the track. Aftermarket support is way better and in the end, the car is way better and loads less expensive.

Right sounds like iphone. The limited selection of models and popularity makes for a dearth of accessories and apps. Almost everything is designed with iphone in mind. So while the operating systems between IOS and android act differently and there are fundamental differences in hardware there is a world of support for the iphone. Unless you need to stick your micro as into your android, while watching youtube videos while at the same time downloading files from the internet while transferring them to your Mac, an iPhone will work fine.

That the corvette is cheaper than a ferarri and has more after market support, is something the typical ferarri owner would not care about (from my sample size of one).

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No, not really. They all look the same and function pretty much identically and run the same OS. Yawn.

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dude my dad has a way cooler car and carries a modified Samsung tablet that makes calls and fits his huge hands. he wouldn't even use his hands to kick your dads butt. :D

This whole conversation is meh, considering Apple sold 10million iphones at launch. Nuff said.
 

pdqgp

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Right sounds like iphone. The limited selection of models and popularity makes for a dearth of accessories and apps. Almost everything is designed with iphone in mind. So while the operating systems between IOS and android act differently and there are fundamental differences in hardware there is a world of support for the iphone. Unless you need to stick your micro as into your android, while watching youtube videos while at the same time downloading files from the internet while transferring them to your Mac, an iPhone will work fine.

an iPhone does work fine...but again, back to the Android commercial....they are all the same.

That the corvette is cheaper than a ferarri and has more after market support, is something the typical ferarri owner would not care about (from my sample size of one).

you're right and I agree. typical ferarri owners don't care because they buy what they are told makes them cool at the track. never mind they continually get out performed.
 

I7guy

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an iPhone does work fine...but again, back to the Android commercial....they are all the same.



you're right and I agree. typical ferarri owners don't care because they buy what they are told makes them cool at the track. never mind they continually get out performed.

I have no problem with that statement. If android phones are faster so be it. It's hard to quantify.
 

pdqgp

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I have no problem with that statement. If android phones are faster so be it. It's hard to quantify.

I'm not speaking in terms of faster as like you, I don't know. Bench testing BS here is like bench racing on a car forum. I'm talking in terms of capabilities and options available.

Back OT, that's why Android OS has overtaken iOS. They serve a much larger market with a load more options in terms of devices the OS is available to run on.

That's okay, because as noted earlier, Apple isn't targeting that large of a market.
 

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Right sounds like iphone. The limited selection of models and popularity makes for a dearth of accessories and apps. Almost everything is designed with iphone in mind. So while the operating systems between IOS and android act differently and there are fundamental differences in hardware there is a world of support for the iphone. Unless you need to stick your micro as into your android, while watching youtube videos while at the same time downloading files from the internet while transferring them to your Mac, an iPhone will work fine.

That the corvette is cheaper than a ferarri and has more after market support, is something the typical ferarri owner would not care about (from my sample size of one).


To add on to the whole Ferrari analogy ......

Since you are putting the iPhone in the Ferrari category. Too many people who buy cars like Ferraris only know how to do one thing .....Go Straight.

As pdqgp was trying to point out. A less expensive car that a driver puts work into and actual learns how to drive, that driver in a corvette will beat the average Ferrari owner on a track(or public road) that has turns, curves, tight spots, and etc.

I not really a car person, but I've experienced the same thing while riding motorcycles. I can't count how many times I've beat and out maneuvered some inexperienced rider on his shiny new liter bike when I was only riding a 650 2 cyl.

I apply the same logic to any iOS vs Android argument. I don't care how optimized iOS is when it's so restricted that you can only go straight. I rather master the learning curve of whatever fragmentation Android has, so I can have total maneuverability that fits me.
 

pdqgp

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I apply the same logic to any iOS vs Android argument. I don't care how optimized iOS is when it's so restricted that you can only go straight. I rather master the learning curve of whatever fragmentation Android has, so I can total maneuverability that fits me.

I work with a load of iOS users, really a mix of Android owners and iOS owners. Even myself, i have an iPad Air.

Just today it was funny because I had to walk someone through setting up iTunes, loading a CD of mp3's files (audio book) I'm letting them have and walking them through how to sync them on their phone. Then I had to show her how to create a ringtone on her iPhone. OMG both were so dang painful compared to doing that on my Note 3 it wasn't funny. Not only that, there's more than one way to do it!

The irony is the learning curve on iOS isn't always that easy from a base users standpoint. Her comments were "can't I just plug in the phone and drag and drop them?" .....uh...No. Then with her ringtone, she asked if there's a way to do that without using iTunes and being at her desk....I don't think so, I told her. Could be wrong, but I really don't know but the iTunes way. LOL as I can simply take my complicated android, download and app and change ringtones all day ;)
 

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iOS is easy to use as long as you do a very small set of restricted tasks in the way Apple designed them. Anything else is either impossible or complicated. iTunes is a massive usability pain.

Android can be overwhelming because nearly everything can be customized. But choice doesn't mean complexity, which is what Apple believes.

In fact I think if you took a new user who's never used a smartphone, gave him Android and iPhone, and asked her to do a list of basic tasks, it'd be the same on both, Android is not harder in any way. And many tasks, e.g. add a file and share it, would be impossible on the iPhone.
 
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