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ecschwarz

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You complaints to Apple probably won’t be useful here, as we are all just Apple users. There is a feedback link Apple uses if you want to let them know about your issues with Ethernet and airplane mode.

Having been following this thread from early on (and doing ethernet on an iPad in the pre-iPad Pro era), I've come to the conclusion that it's something that works well enough for some tasks, but isn't intended to be used for everyday purposes. In the earliest implementations, there were no settings for Ethernet (DHCP only), and we have the ability to see the IP address and statically assign things now. Still, I don't think it's a high priority for Apple to make this work beyond the bare minimum and I can't blame them. Most people (which is what they're targeting with these devices) are fine with Wi-Fi and would rather not having a cable hanging off their iPad. A handful of video chat apps are mentioned up the thread, but we're in a place where any sort of semi-competent Wi-Fi connection can handle those.

There are plenty of good and relevant uses for wired Ethernet, and I'm glad that iOS supports it (makes it easier for me to do troubleshooting for work off my phone). However, when it comes to most consumer devices, it's disappearing quickly.
 

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Having been following this thread from early on (and doing ethernet on an iPad in the pre-iPad Pro era), I've come to the conclusion that it's something that works well enough for some tasks, but isn't intended to be used for everyday purposes. In the earliest implementations, there were no settings for Ethernet (DHCP only), and we have the ability to see the IP address and statically assign things now. Still, I don't think it's a high priority for Apple to make this work beyond the bare minimum and I can't blame them. Most people (which is what they're targeting with these devices) are fine with Wi-Fi and would rather not having a cable hanging off their iPad. A handful of video chat apps are mentioned up the thread, but we're in a place where any sort of semi-competent Wi-Fi connection can handle those.

There are plenty of good and relevant uses for wired Ethernet, and I'm glad that iOS supports it (makes it easier for me to do troubleshooting for work off my phone). However, when it comes to most consumer devices, it's disappearing quickly.
You forgot to mention the fact that "the cable hanging off the iPAD" can only be there if it's charging the device.

In other words there's no way to use an Ethernet cable without charging the iPAD/iPhone battery. At least not with these new adapters. It's important to mention that because that also helps with using the device for a longer time, since we are stuck forever (at least that's what it seems) with this 10 hour (reduced over time thanks to battery degradation) on a single charge.

That can be a reason to justify using Ethernet even when wi-fi is available. I can't speak for others but I decided to reduce EMF radiation, for example I don't leave the IPP 10.5 with wi-fi enabled even though I have a gigabit wi-fi router (Archer C8) close to me, and even bought a 2nd one (VR900) to use with my PC (which doesn't have wi-fi, only a bluetooth dongle). The alternative was to put a second ethernet cable, since I am moving the Archer from bedroom to another location.

If it was up to me I wouldn't use wi-fi at all. I also decided to sell my Airpods and recently bought new Sennheiser headphones and gone back to use the Earpods while they don't arrive. The thing is: there's no justification for Apple to implement Airplane Mode and warn us the app needs to connect - many times.

And there's no excuse too for apps start to break or don't work properly because Apple treats Ethernet as a "workaround" instead of a feature.

That's either sheer incompetence or done on purpose.

Here's what Apple needs to hear:

PLEASE STOP forcing users to do whatever you want, if I want to stop using BT headphones (not only due to EMF, also thanks to their battery that can't last more than a few hours) why would you remove the headphone jack?

Because in the future (or present) everyone is dumping wired headphones? That's a lie, it's just them pushing a new product and saying that's what we need, the same thing with wi-fi, if I want to use a normal cellphone instead of a smartphone (or a flip-phone) I can't anymore, if I want a wired (instead of a cordless DECT phone) these choices are removed from me.

Please, stop, just stop removing choices from the users. That's the only thing Apple does perfectly. It did recently by removing the Apple Store from iTunes (which was useful to backup apps, saving the .IPAs). For what reason? To remove junk from the software or feeding their megalomania?

You know what makes me sad? It's not that they do all these things or get behind jailbreaks.

It's the fact I seem to be the only person aware of how malevolent this company can be.

We live in a world filled with convenience and since we grew accustomed to swallow whatever is being imposed to us we never stopped to question anything. From now on I'll start boycotting devices and companies that do all these antics.

What is not a high priority for Apple is to do anything right. Whatever they do the fanboys will accept. That isn't working as it used to, tablet sales are plummeting since not everyone is willing to pay so much for so little.
 

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You forgot to mention the fact that "the cable hanging off the iPAD" can only be there if it's charging the device.

In other words there's no way to use an Ethernet cable without charging the iPAD/iPhone battery. At least not with these new adapters. It's important to mention that because that also helps with using the device for a longer time, since we are stuck forever (at least that's what it seems) with this 10 hour (reduced over time thanks to battery degradation) on a single charge.

I'm trying to figure out your point with this statement, so there's two trains of thought I could come up with on this:

1) You can use ethernet on an iPad/iPhone without also charging the battery (any camera adapter and one of the Belkin 10/100 adapters) - again, this thread was mostly focusing on something that was only semi-supported...you're using a product marketed as a "camera adapter" for Pete's sake...I keep a pair of the Belkin adapters registered for different roles on our network at work for quick troubleshooting (plug the appropriate one into the camera adapter and my iPhone/iPad either registers as a business-owned device or a personal BYOD-device). It's way easier than having multiple devices and I carry the adapters and a short patch cable together with a Velcro wrap.

2) If you're saying that the community here or Apple world in general makes it sound like the only acceptable cable to come off of an iOS device is to charge, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, but these are mobile devices that are designed to be used off of tethered power. My iPad at work does sit plugged in sometimes, but I also don't have a 10 ft Lightning cable hanging off of my iPad if I'm in a chair or someplace public.

It's the fact I seem to be the only person aware of how malevolent this company can be.

We live in a world filled with convenience and since we grew accustomed to swallow whatever is being imposed to us we never stopped to question anything. From now on I'll start boycotting devices and companies that do all these antics.

What is not a high priority for Apple is to do anything right. Whatever they do the fanboys will accept. That isn't working as it used to, tablet sales are plummeting since not everyone is willing to pay so much for so little.

You seem to be very unhappy with your purchase and it bums me out that you appear to feel "stuck" - my advice would be to sell it and get something that works better for your needs - perhaps a Windows-based tablet? You can configure to your wants/needs and have full-blown OS support for all the features that would work around your workflow? I've moved on from products/services for less.

That being said, this thread has mostly been in the spirit of "this is a neat little feature, let's talk about applicable uses" and not turn it into some sort of let's-show-Apple complaint. I'll agree that it's annoying that FaceTime doesn't like Airplane Mode turned on, but that's most likely an oversight, rather than intentional. You mention the headphone jack on iPhones, but this is an iPad thread in an iPad forum and iPads still have a headphone jack. As others have suggested, there's a feedback form on Apple's site to voice concerns, but it sounds like your needs and values are outside of the scope of an iPad.
 

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I'm trying to figure out your point with this statement, so there's two trains of thought I could come up with on this:

1) You can use ethernet on an iPad/iPhone without also charging the battery (any camera adapter and one of the Belkin 10/100 adapters) - again, this thread was mostly focusing on something that was only semi-supported...you're using a product marketed as a "camera adapter" for Pete's sake...I keep a pair of the Belkin adapters registered for different roles on our network at work for quick troubleshooting (plug the appropriate one into the camera adapter and my iPhone/iPad either registers as a business-owned device or a personal BYOD-device). It's way easier than having multiple devices and I carry the adapters and a short patch cable together with a Velcro wrap.
What do you mean? If I don't power the camera adapter (which will also charge iPAD's battery) it will say "it uses too much power" and won't work at all.

You seem to be very unhappy with your purchase and it bums me out that you appear to feel "stuck" - my advice would be to sell it and get something that works better for your needs - perhaps a Windows-based tablet? You can configure to your wants/needs and have full-blown OS support for all the features that would work around your workflow? I've moved on from products/services for less.
I am not unhappy with the iPAD, it's just that over time Apple is increasingly becoming more aggressive in removing choices from users. I was forced to install a tvOS profile to never update my IPP 10.5 to iOS 11, after I did in my old IPP 9.7 and noticed battery issues, among other complaints. Even if the battery problems were solved later I won't update again, after reading this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...gled-off-in-control-center-on-ios-11.2069705/

I suggest you all do the same, you'll find some users saying that even after they disabled wi-fi/BT in iOS internal settings these things weren't disabled for good, and have returned. Post #386 is one of them. Is this a bug that will be fixed in future versions? It's happening for only a few users? I doubt very much this is not intentional. So if I want to use my device in a way that NEVER connects to the internet (with Airplane mode), and if I only use ethernet (to reduce EMF radiation, or not being forced to always be online for Apple to impose whatever they want, and not just a new iOS version, or spy on me) I simply can't, or am unable to do this properly becaaaaaaaaaaaaaaause all I am doing is practically "hacking" the device with these workarounds.

This is very amusing, Apple implements these features (Airplane mode, ethernet...), they don't work as intended and I am being unreasonable when pointing their flaws. :D

You said I should send my feedback about all this. How about I give Apple the middle finger and don't invest in them anymore? :)

That seems to be the only way these companies will listen. Make no mistake, they don't care about OUR opinion, never did and aren't going to change AT ALL. AT ALL. The IPP 10.5 is indeed my last Apple device, I am sick and tired of paying a lot of money to be treated like this. Yeah, I'll look into other products, and if they suit me I'll choose them.
 
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What do you mean? If I don't power the camera adapter (which will also charge iPAD's battery) it will say "it uses too much power" and won't work at all.

I'll quote myself from a year ago further up this thread:

Since the original posts in this thread, my go-to kit is the old Lightning-to-Camera adapter and a Belkin USB 2 ethernet adapter. The nice thing about that is that it doesn't need external power to work (https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2...04689&sr=8-1&keywords=belkin+usb+2.0+ethernet). It looks like Amazon doesn't have it right now, but it's also at Target and Best Buy for <$20.

I'm using that one with the older camera adapter that does not even have a female Lightning connector - the "uses too much power" error never appears on any devices. It's the only ethernet adapter I have seen that allows that - you're limited to 100Mbps links, but also aren't required to have a power source nearby. It's what I use with my iPhone for testing network links.

You said I should send my feedback about all this. How about I give Apple the middle finger and don't invest in them anymore? :)

That seems to be the only way these companies will listen. Make no mistake, they don't care about OUR opinion, never did and aren't going to change AT ALL. AT ALL. The IPP 10.5 is indeed my last Apple device, I am sick and tired of paying a lot of money to be treated like this. Yeah, I'll look into other products, and if they suit me I'll choose them.

I don't think anyone here will disagree with you doing that. Even those who might own $AAPL aren't going to beg you to keep buying things that don't work for you. If Apple's decisions don't align with what you want out of your tech products, try something else - there's lots of great choices.
 
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I am not unhappy with the iPAD, it's just that over time Apple is increasingly becoming more aggressive in removing choices from users. I was forced to install a tvOS profile to never update my IPP 10.5 to iOS 11, after I did in my old IPP 9.7 and noticed battery issues, among other complaints. Even if the battery problems were solved later I won't update again, after reading this thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...gled-off-in-control-center-on-ios-11.2069705/

I suggest you all do the same, you'll find some users saying that even after they disabled wi-fi/BT in iOS internal settings these things weren't disabled for good, and have returned. Post #386 is one of them. Is this a bug that will be fixed in future versions? It's happening for only a few users? I doubt very much this is not intentional. So if I want to use my device in a way that NEVER connects to the internet (with Airplane mode), and if I only use ethernet (to reduce EMF radiation, or not being forced to always be online for Apple to impose whatever they want, and not just a new iOS version, or spy on me) I simply can't, or am unable to do this properly becaaaaaaaaaaaaaaause all I am doing is practically "hacking" the device with these workarounds.

This is very amusing, Apple implements these features (Airplane mode, ethernet...), they don't work as intended and I am being unreasonable when pointing their flaws. :D

You said I should send my feedback about all this. How about I give Apple the middle finger and don't invest in them anymore? :)

That seems to be the only way these companies will listen. Make no mistake, they don't care about OUR opinion, never did and aren't going to change AT ALL. AT ALL. The IPP 10.5 is indeed my last Apple device, I am sick and tired of paying a lot of money to be treated like this. Yeah, I'll look into other products, and if they suit me I'll choose them.

I like how ios 11 keeps it's antenna/connection active in iOS 11. Previously, Bluetooth & WiFi would disconnect when put in airplane mode. Now they simply stay on. (US airlines now allow WiFi and Bluetooth connections active, but cell phone off, so it matches the new airplane mode.)

For pilots using a mfi Bluetooth gps/stratus/stratus ads-b equipment in their personal aircraft, it’s much easier to get the last cell phone based update just before taxing now. For passengers using airpods/Bluetooth headphones/in airplane WiFi (some like southwest work on the ground) airplane mode lets you continue to use those uninterrupted.

For those users who insist on actually deactivating the WiFi/Bluetooth in airplane mode, you simply go to airplane mode, then go to the settings menu and turn them off from there (vs using the control panel). The setting is sticky, the iPad remembers what the settings were last used in airplane mode, and in the future when you go into airplane mode is the control panel it will turn wifi/Bluetooth off vs disconnecting. (You may need to do it again after an ios upgrade, only time I fember the setting resetting on their own.)

I don't think encouraging people not to upgrade (leaving the device open to security flaws) is a good idea, except for expert users who understand the risks of using unpatched devices. There has been a lot of security issues fixed (including the high profile “meltdown” & “spectre” bug). Here is a link to some of the security issues fixed.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

As far as the other points you made during your post, you can report any bugs to Apple. There is a mechanism as well to suggest changes/new features. Other than that, you know what the iPad will/won't do, ranting about it here is useless.

I suggest you try to find another product closer to how you want to use a tablet computer. Windows 10 & Chromebook/Android may be better for your work flow, and sometimes cheaper than equivalent Apple products.

This was a good thread about using Ethernet on the iPad (what adapters work or not, workarounds for encountered issues, etc) and I feel it is getting derailed now.
 
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I'll quote myself from a year ago further up this thread:

I'm using that one with the older camera adapter that does not even have a female Lightning connector - the "uses too much power" error never appears on any devices. It's the only ethernet adapter I have seen that allows that - you're limited to 100Mbps links, but also aren't required to have a power source nearby. It's what I use with my iPhone for testing network links.
This is the 1st time I am hearing about this, since even with the old Apple Lightning to USB Camera Adapter you would need a powered USB HUB.


I am skeptical about this for two reasons:

1) There are no videos demonstrating what you are telling. And there's no guarantee it will work for me or anyone else here as it worked for you. In my case, the IPP 10.5 using iOS 10.3.2.

2) I always heard complaints about using non-Apple adapters, or buying Apple stuff from anywhere else besides Apple stores. Amazon sells (or sold) a lot of fake units and was even sued by Apple (which claimed 90% of what we saw there wasn't legit).

I am not doubting you, only saying there's no proof about this anywhere. And how does the Belkin adapter work if it doesn't need to be powered at all for us to use an ethernet cable? That doesn't make any sense.
 

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Looks like you have been able to do it for a while, I think the difference is that the iPad Pro 12.9 supports USB3 so that you can get gigabit speed over LAN. Found an old video showing how to hook it up for other apple devices:

worth noting to those reading this is an old thread

both 2017 iPads including the 10.5" have USB3
 

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This is the 1st time I am hearing about this, since even with the old Apple Lightning to USB Camera Adapter you would need a powered USB HUB.

I am skeptical about this for two reasons:

1) There are no videos demonstrating what you are telling. And there's no guarantee it will work for me or anyone else here as it worked for you. In my case, the IPP 10.5 using iOS 10.3.2.

2) I always heard complaints about using non-Apple adapters, or buying Apple stuff from anywhere else besides Apple stores. Amazon sells (or sold) a lot of fake units and was even sued by Apple (which claimed 90% of what we saw there wasn't legit).

I am not doubting you, only saying there's no proof about this anywhere. And how does the Belkin adapter work if it doesn't need to be powered at all for us to use an ethernet cable? That doesn't make any sense.

I had heard about it from someone on Twitter, as I was skeptical, too - after spending the $20 on the Belkin adapter, I figured it was worth the gamble to see if it would work (genuine Apple adapters to get USB, so using the Belkin one instead was like using a third-party USB keyboard on a Mac at that point). It works driverless on Macs, PCs with Windows 7/10, and most Linux boxes, so it's a nice item to keep in a kit.

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2) This would mostly apply to anything uses the Lightning spec, but a product that conforms to the USB spec should be fine. I bought two on Amazon and one at Target, and I think Best Buy carried it at one point, too.

As for power, the Lightning port does provide some power - case in point: USB keyboards with the Lightning-to-USB Camera adapter, charging the Apple Pencil, powering the Lightning Digital AV Adapter's AirPlay setup, powering the Lightning-to-SD Card reader. I suspect the Belkin device uses just enough power, but not too much to also fall under that limit. Any of the gigabit adapters out there (like my Anker) that run on USB 3 appear to draw too much power. As for Apple's, I haven't messed with it much, mostly due to the fact that it's a pain to find the MAC address.
 
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I had heard about it from someone on Twitter, as I was skeptical, too - after spending the $20 on the Belkin adapter, I figured it was worth the gamble to see if it would work (genuine Apple adapters to get USB, so using the Belkin one instead was like using a third-party USB keyboard on a Mac at that point). It works driverless on Macs, PCs with Windows 7/10, and most Linux boxes, so it's a nice item to keep in a kit.

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2) This would mostly apply to anything uses the Lightning spec, but a product that conforms to the USB spec should be fine. I bought two on Amazon and one at Target, and I think Best Buy carried it at one point, too.

As for power, the Lightning port does provide some power - case in point: USB keyboards with the Lightning-to-USB Camera adapter, charging the Apple Pencil, powering the Lightning Digital AV Adapter's AirPlay setup, powering the Lightning-to-SD Card reader. I suspect the Belkin device uses just enough power, but not too much to also fall under that limit. Any of the gigabit adapters out there (like my Anker) that run on USB 3 appear to draw too much power. As for Apple's, I haven't messed with it much, mostly due to the fact that it's a pain to find the MAC address.
So, the Belkin adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2...04689&sr=8-1&keywords=belkin+usb+2.0+ethernet

And the old
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter

Are going to work with a CAT-6 ethernet cable and the iPAD Pro 10.5 without the need to power anything? What Apple device have you used for this?

And more importantly, is this going to waste a lot of the iPAD's battery?

I'll use the more complicated setup if I want to achieve gigabit speeds and this easier one if this isn't necessary (most of the time isn't, only when I want to transfer files or do streaming from the PC to the iPAD).

I must say that even with a long ethernet cable and an extension cord this isn't convenient at all... At least we can recharge the iPAD with the combo.
 

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So, the Belkin adapter
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2...04689&sr=8-1&keywords=belkin+usb+2.0+ethernet

And the old
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter

Are going to work with a CAT-6 ethernet cable and the iPAD Pro 10.5 without the need to power anything? What Apple device have you used for this?

And more importantly, is this going to waste a lot of the iPAD's battery?

I'll use the more complicated setup if I want to achieve gigabit speeds and this easier one if this isn't necessary (most of the time isn't, only when I want to transfer files or do streaming from the PC to the iPAD).

I must say that even with a long ethernet cable and an extension cord this isn't convenient at all... At least we can recharge the iPAD with the combo.

Correct on the Belkin adapter, as for the Apple one, either the old one or the new one work (I have the new one at work, the old one at home). Do you have the newer Apple adapter already?

I've used it on iOS 10.x and iOS 11.x on an iPhone SE, iPhone 8 Plus, iPad Air 2, iPad (2017), and iPad Pro (12.9" 2015). I can't speak to battery life other than that it's not been noticeable in the times I do use it—typically, it's to test ethernet links or network port provisioning on switches. At home, I've used it to set up routers and my NAS, so nothing long-term.

I think most were looking for gigabit and many 802.11ac links can run circles around it, so that's why this was treated as a non-solution. Like I said, I've been using this since 2016 and as we all know, it could get broken at any time. I think since this works driverless on Macs and PCs, the likelihood of it being broken if the Apple Ethernet adapter still works is probably kind of slim.
 

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Correct on the Belkin adapter, as for the Apple one, either the old one or the new one work (I have the new one at work, the old one at home). Do you have the newer Apple adapter already?
I ordered the following items. The ones in bold didn't arrive yet:

#1 - Lightning To USB 3 Camera Adapter (the new version that needs to be powered)

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

#2 - Apple USB Ethernet Adapter (not gigabit). I can't return it now, will keep it to use with other devices.
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC704LL/A/apple-usb-ethernet-adapter

#3 - Anker adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PC0H9IE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This one will deliver gigabit speeds. It is to be used with item #1.

#4 - Belkin adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2...04689&sr=8-1&keywords=belkin+usb+2.0+ethernet

#5 - Lightning to USB Camera Adapter (the old version)
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter

Items #4 and #5 are to be used at the same time to prevent me from also having to require the 29W USB‑C Power Adapter (or the 12W version that came with the IPP 10.5).

So that's what I am going to do:

- Use #1 and #3 when I want gigabit speeds (plus the 29 or 12W power adapter)
- Use #4 and #5 when this isn't necessary.

Like I said most of the time I don't need gigabit speeds, however if someone wants to do streaming or send big files from the PC to the iPAD this is a must. 12 MB/s is too slow even for smaller files (with 1, 2 GB). Gigabit speeds can give me at best 60 MB/s in my own network.
 

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So that's what I am going to do:

- Use #1 and #3 when I want gigabit speeds (plus the 29 or 12W power adapter)
- Use #4 and #5 when this isn't necessary.

Best of luck! That will give you some flexibility. #1 and #4 will work together without the power adapter if you don't want to keep both versions permanently attached (or if you want to save money and cancel the order for #5)
 

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I ordered the following items. The ones in bold didn't arrive yet:

#1 - Lightning To USB 3 Camera Adapter (the new version that needs to be powered)

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

#2 - Apple USB Ethernet Adapter (not gigabit). I can't return it now, will keep it to use with other devices.
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC704LL/A/apple-usb-ethernet-adapter

#3 - Anker adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PC0H9IE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This one will deliver gigabit speeds. It is to be used with item #1.

#4 - Belkin adapter:
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-USB-2...04689&sr=8-1&keywords=belkin+usb+2.0+ethernet

#5 - Lightning to USB Camera Adapter (the old version)
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MD821AM/A/lightning-to-usb-camera-adapter

Items #4 and #5 are to be used at the same time to prevent me from also having to require the 29W USB‑C Power Adapter (or the 12W version that came with the IPP 10.5).

So that's what I am going to do:

- Use #1 and #3 when I want gigabit speeds (plus the 29 or 12W power adapter)
- Use #4 and #5 when this isn't necessary.

Like I said most of the time I don't need gigabit speeds, however if someone wants to do streaming or send big files from the PC to the iPAD this is a must. 12 MB/s is too slow even for smaller files (with 1, 2 GB). Gigabit speeds can give me at best 60 MB/s in my own network.

I have 1Gbps service from AT&T.

I use #1 and #2 above, and can consistently get 94Mbps up and down (as expected).

I just ordered #3 from Amazon. I have a feeling I'll get ~800Mbps, based on a similar adapter I use connected to my MacBooks.

Why go through all this? Well, my house has 6 iPads and 6 iPhones. Doing iOS updates can be substantially faster with an Ethernet connection.
 

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OK, so I have some interesting results!

I've had the Lightning to USB 3 camera adapter, and yesterday I got the Anker USB to Gigabit Ethernet adapter listed/linked above. Last week, I got 1000Mbps services from AT&T.

Testing with the iPad Pro, and above adapters, in Airplane Mode, I could regularly get 850Mbps up and down use the Speedtest iOS app. Occasionally, I could hit 900Mbps, but we're pushing the limits of what the data centers will consistently deliver as part of the test. So, all good and "as advertised".

Where it gets weird is when I tried the same setup with both iPhone X and iPhone 8, in Airplane Mode of course. No matter how I ran the test, I could only get ~ 225Mbps up/down via Ethernet! Disconnecting Ethernet and going back to Wi-Fi, I could consistently hit 350-450Mbps, which is about the max considering the 866Mbps radio setup in the newer iPhones.

So I guess the NIC in the iPhone is crippled a bit?
 

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Where it gets weird is when I tried the same setup with both iPhone X and iPhone 8, in Airplane Mode of course. No matter how I ran the test, I could only get ~ 225Mbps up/down via Ethernet! Disconnecting Ethernet and going back to Wi-Fi, I could consistently hit 350-450Mbps, which is about the max considering the 866Mbps radio setup in the newer iPhones.

So I guess the NIC in the iPhone is crippled a bit?

The NIC is actually the Anker adapter, but I think the issue might be that the iPhones (even the new ones) may only do USB 2 - read down the whole thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-usb-3-speeds.2072727/
 

BeatCrazy

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The NIC is actually the Anker adapter, but I think the issue might be that the iPhones (even the new ones) may only do USB 2 - read down the whole thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-8-usb-3-speeds.2072727/

Good point about the NIC - that's what I get posting before my first cup of coffee :)

Yes, so it looks like I can (also) confirm USB 2.0 maximum speed, as the network traffic is negotiated as half duplex, so that aligns with the max 225Mbps based on 480Mbps theoretical bandwidth of USB 2.0.
 
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ipos

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Apple released the USB to lightning adapter, and also the USB to Ethernet adapter recently. Has anyone tried connecting their iPad Pro to Ethernet using these adapters?
All I can find online is that it should theoretically work, but nobody has actually tried it.
dun see this in apple online store?
 

mrkapqa

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these are the adapters required

Apple Lightning to USB Adapter

https://www.apple.com/de/shop/product/MD821ZM/A/lightning-auf-usb-kamera-adapter

OR (if newer model,recommended as it allows at the same time to charge the Ipad/iphone)

Apple Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

PLUS

Apple USB to Ethernet Adapter

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC704LL/A/apple-usb-ethernet-adapter



in addition you need an Powered USB Hub and a normal USB Cable.


Works with all Ipad and Iphone i have tested, with the exception of the Ipad 1(Original Model)
 
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mrklaw

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Just want to say thanks for this being pointed out. I work in an office where we test a lot of iOS apps and have a very saturated WiFi - so this is a great way to get a stable network connection for use when testing.
 

max2

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these are the adapters required

Apple Lightning to USB Adapter

https://www.apple.com/de/shop/product/MD821ZM/A/lightning-auf-usb-kamera-adapter

OR (if newer model,recommended as it allows at the same time to charge the Ipad/iphone)

Apple Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

PLUS

Apple USB to Ethernet Adapter

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC704LL/A/apple-usb-ethernet-adapter



in addition you need an Powered USB Hub and a normal USB Cable.


Works with all Ipad and Iphone i have tested, with the exception of the Ipad 1(Original Model)

Thank you!
 

darkarn

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these are the adapters required

Apple Lightning to USB Adapter

https://www.apple.com/de/shop/product/MD821ZM/A/lightning-auf-usb-kamera-adapter

OR (if newer model,recommended as it allows at the same time to charge the Ipad/iphone)

Apple Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0W2AM/A/lightning-to-usb-3-camera-adapter

PLUS

Apple USB to Ethernet Adapter

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MC704LL/A/apple-usb-ethernet-adapter



in addition you need an Powered USB Hub and a normal USB Cable.


Works with all Ipad and Iphone i have tested, with the exception of the Ipad 1(Original Model)

Don't use that Apple Adapter. Use this instead

@max2 @mrklaw @ipos

https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Portab...rd_wg=gxita&psc=1&refRID=JDA4YH9C28M9XKARAR2D
 
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Perene

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I received both adapters, and they both work as expected. I tested in the iPAD PRO 10.5, 256 GB wifi+cel, using iOS 10.3.2. Can't tell what will happen with iOS 11, my device is using a tvOS profile to prevent updates.

I was afraid of something going wrong, however the users from this thread recommended the right adapters.

- Belkin does not need to be powered, indeed. So it's more practical to use.

The downside: it's not gigabit, so it will get in my own network no more than 12 MB/s while I transfer files between my PC and the iPAD (or stream).

BELKIN_SEM_GIB.png


I use with the old Apple adapter.

- Anker needs to be powered, with the new USB 3 Apple camera adapter. It's better than any other, since it can achieve gigabit speeds:

ANKER_GIGAB.png


The max upload speeds are always faster than 12 MB/s, I would say it can reach the 60 MB/s I was getting while using wi-fi.

Also:

Anker - Manual:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Jgwoamzu5-3qMzwgkrQ8wPzEVl-KarTx

Belkin - Manual:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1oOds0R5UeJ6f86RArXy1EQ-I3H0wmpZb

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Anker - package and contents, plus a picture of everything connected:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ekDkqdbliQWpMAkmS_UnK7QaH20LU8wn

Belkin- package and contents, plus a picture of everything connected:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=18CxwZAgs2VqOBooE4iW6IQCYfUQqs9_B

****************

And a direct link from the product pages, from Amazon.

Belkin: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E9655LU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Anker: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PC0H9IE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I ordered both in April, after a delay I finally received and tested this month.
 
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