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At this rate you are going to have to move to America to afford an Apple products....
I'm sure you can get the connector fixed for a lot less than a galaxy tab and will then likely kick its ass still (and get the batteries done while it's open maybe to save a few quid depending where you get it done). 4 years isn't that old. I put a new battery in my iPhone 6S and a new lightning port/speaker board for about £35 combined last year. Yeah this thing is old, it's a bit slow and the pictures aren't great, but it's still perfectly good for lots of daily use, so I'm still finding it pretty damn hard to justify finding £1k for a new one that's clearly better, but far from game changing.
With no iOS 16 upgrade option and hence no WatchOS 16 for my S5 as a byproduct (and my girlfriend just getting a nice shiny new iPhone 14), I definitely feel the push finally coming though. It's had a good innings, but it's sadly really only SW support that's stopping me keeping it another year. May well make for a good festival phone still though.
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I don’t know.
I’m thrilled with the Apple Watch ultra and it was 200 cheaper than rumored and same price as stainless steel models. Cheaper than the titanium models. Their lower end phones and tablets are still very high quality.
I think you just expect too many updates too often. I upgrade my devices every 3+ years. Apple has enough categories now that I can easily do that and have something exciting to purchase each year in one category or another. In 3+ years, the ultra will be that much nicer. My 2021 IPP will likely have OLED in 2+ more years, and my iPhone which is due next year will be a huge upgrade over the 11Pro.
Matter of perspective I guess. I don’t know what you expect.
I’m thrilled with the Apple Watch ultra and it was 200 cheaper than rumored and same price as stainless steel models. Cheaper than the titanium models. Their lower end phones and tablets are still very high quality.
I think you just expect too many updates too often. I upgrade my devices every 3+ years. Apple has enough categories now that I can easily do that and have something exciting to purchase each year in one category or another. In 3+ years, the ultra will be that much nicer. My 2021 IPP will likely have OLED in 2+ more years, and my iPhone which is due next year will be a huge upgrade over the 11Pro.
Matter of perspective I guess. I don’t know what you expect.
It’s been slowly brewing and I feel like this year they finally pushed it too far, especially in Europe.
Ironically, all the penny pinching and squeezing makes the brand seem cheaper. Why? Because I am losing trust in Apple.
Ironically, all the penny pinching and squeezing makes the brand seem cheaper. Why? Because I am losing trust in Apple.
I agree. It's harder to justify upgrading, especially when there aren't compelling new features. It's just better to stick with what you have until it breaks down. As for things getting back to normal, the past few years have taught us things will never return to the way they used to be. Apple, as with all companies, will have to adapt to the new consumer mindset. People will be less inclined to run out and buy something just because it's new. Companies will have to provide substantially better products at reasonable prices. Fortunately, innovations in technology can help companies to do that.
Just to add to this thread.....
Whyyyyy do you get a charger (not that I am knocking this) with the £369 iPad, but not with a £1k+ iPhone.....?
What is the logic....
Whyyyyy do you get a charger (not that I am knocking this) with the £369 iPad, but not with a £1k+ iPhone.....?
What is the logic....
Being a long time Apple user since 2008, I see a clearly down trend since 2012.
I was an $AAPL shareholder, but now I have sold them all.
I was an $AAPL shareholder, but now I have sold them all.
I used to always buy the latest and greatest even if I didn’t need to because it was my hobby and loved new products but this year is the first I’m keeping old stuff minus iPhone; because the series 8 and iPad Pro were both useless updates this isn’t the Apple I know but my guess is the staff they hire are not being hired because they are the best people for the job that’s why it’s not been the same recently the team isn’t the same
I’m yet to commit to anything from the 2022 line and as I only bought my MacBook Pros in June I can’t see that being a purchase either. I do need a new second phone, but am seriously thinking I’ll buy a 13 pro from a market place like eBay at this point. I can’t justify the extra expense of the 14 pro range especially with all the price hikes here in the UK. I may or may not buy an Apple Watch Ultra. At this point I am thinking I’ll just buy another Series 7
It is easy to switch
You are going to be stuck in an ecosystem no matter what you do unless you use Linux then you won't have an ecosystem.
I run parallel systems. I have a M2 MBA and iPhone Pro Max 13 and iPad air 5th gen. I also have a Windows Laptop recent with 12th gen Intel, Samsung S22 plus and Samsung Tab s8. I need Windows for Office docs and Samsung phone for some banking apps.
So I am in both ecosystems. From a purely cost focused perspective the Windows/Android Ecosystem is cheaper up front. I have a nice Windows laptop I got from a sale on BestBuy for under $600 with tax, I traded in old devices and had a promotion for my S22 plus and tab S8 which both cost me around $630. So for under the cost of my M2 MBA I have a laptop, tablet and phone all running the latest hardware and software. I can do everything in my Windows/Android ecosystem I can do in the Mac/iOS ecosystem including receiving calls and texts from all of my devices. I can use streaming software and music and books on all devices.
So if I had to choose based on upfront cost Windows/Android is a clear winner. There is no loss of functionality.
The trade off is how well all those devices work together. Apple just does a better job of interoperability. With one exception I can mirror my phone screen on my PC and use the apps on my phone from my PC which I think is pretty cool.
Longevity. Windows updates for a long time. However driver support from OEM's is usually not great past two years. Android on Samsung gets 5 years total OS support. So lets just say for everything that is 5 years of pretty much guaranteed support. Not bad for the investment.
On the flip side my Apple system was considerably more expensive with discounts. I paid including discounts around $1349 for my Mac, $449 for my iPad and around $300 for my iPhone with a trade in. However it is not such a huge difference like double the cost.
For that extra cost I get one of the fastest ultrabooks with the best battery life, I get one of the fastest phones, and one of the fastest tablets you can get. Everything just works well together with minimal effort on my part. Support on all these devices should be at least 6 years from apple but my last a lot longer. Everything from Apple with exception of the iPad has better battery life with stellar performance. The iPad doesn't last as long as the Tab S8.
Software experience on Windows really hasn't changed much in 20 plus years. Skins come and go but underneath it still feels the same. I will say Windows is a lot more secure and stable than ever before. There is more software available for Windows and for an office environment it is easier to transfer documents and resume's etc. But a lot of things feel inconsistent and redundant.
As far as hardware is concerned it is kind of a crapshoot on the Windows/Android side of things. In some ways the choice is better but in some ways OEM's don't really seem to care beyond selling the latest device every year.
And Google is crazy. One minute they come out with some new device only to kill it a year or two later. I used to LOVE Pixel phones until their software updates killed the experience. I had a Google Chrome Tablet 2 in One and the hardware was excellent then they discontinued it a year later. So I don't trust Google on the hardware or software side of things.
Honestly the grass is always greener on the other side of the software fence.
I would have to say overall Apple is still my preference. A lot of things annoy the heck out of me about always upselling features that are available on Android and Windows devices but overall Apple is better for now. I like the interoperability of their devices better. I like Apple silicon better. I like MacOS better. I like iOS better and iPadOS better. But it is not by a huge margin and Google and OEM's could improve things to a point where I don't feel this way. Intel/AMD/Mediatek/Qualcomm could improve their chips to a point where Apple Silicon is not as big a deal as it is now. But that may or may not happen and for now Apple is better generally speaking on the software and hardware side no matter how much they shoot themselves in the foot. The other guys shoot themselves in the foot too.
But again if you are just looking at short term and up front cost generally Windows/Android is better if you can get good discounts and trade in values. Otherwise the cost difference is not as big a deal as in the past and then Apple is a better choice if cost is very close.
I think the iPad Air 3 might be the last iPad I buy. I'll run this one until software updates end. Aside from processor and RAM upgrades, this new iPad is a downgrade in screen quality. The only advantage is USB C which the majority of my devices run.
Why it’s very hard to be an Apple fanboy in Eastern Europe, I’ll explain: My country is part of EU and take very hard hit from latest price increase from Apple. If one would like to buy latest iPhone, it’s two monthly salaries worth. And after so much effort to buy your dream new iphone - half the features simply are missing. We waited ten years for our language to appear in an Apple product, Siri - perhaps never, CarPlay - not officially supported, Apple news - no, more than half of Maps features - absent, Apple store - none, support from Apple - zero, right to return after purchase - you must be kidding.
I left the Mac after the switch to Apple silicone in favor of Dell XPS. But I will remain loyal Apple fanboy - I bought iPhone 14 pro and today I preordered iPad Pro 11 M2 to replace my 2018 iPP. For Apple I’m a third world citizen who’s living in a bin, but I still love their products.
I left the Mac after the switch to Apple silicone in favor of Dell XPS. But I will remain loyal Apple fanboy - I bought iPhone 14 pro and today I preordered iPad Pro 11 M2 to replace my 2018 iPP. For Apple I’m a third world citizen who’s living in a bin, but I still love their products.
I'd imagine it's getting really hard to be an Apple diehard if you're an 'international customer' (i.e. outside of US/Canada)
Price increases on older products retroactively up to a year old and for 100+ is just absurdity!
EDIT: stole the words from me ! we posted at same time the bolded part! how funny
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but if you already got a device thats 'fine enough' the upgrades are less and less compelling. especially the more time goes on, it becomes a badge of honor to have old hardware that still works fine.
Price increases on older products retroactively up to a year old and for 100+ is just absurdity!
EDIT: stole the words from me ! we posted at same time the bolded part! how funny
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but if you already got a device thats 'fine enough' the upgrades are less and less compelling. especially the more time goes on, it becomes a badge of honor to have old hardware that still works fine.
I’ve tried switching a few times… and came back to iPad every time. It just wasn’t a very joyful experience for me. Having said that, I would say: give it a go yourself, but find a retailer with a good return policy!
I really don't understand this mindset . . . at all. If you don't like the pricing of their newest products, then don't buy them. You don't need to dump all your existing Apple products 🤷🏼♂️ Just wait until used/refurbished ones show up and save money that way instead.
But for some reason, some people on this forum take everything Apple does very personally/emotionally. They're a business, not your lover, lol!
But for some reason, some people on this forum take everything Apple does very personally/emotionally. They're a business, not your lover, lol!
Interesting - what didn't you like about the experience? Just not as responsive/fluid compared to iOS?
Yeah, I think some people just need a place to vent and see that people agree with what they are feeling.
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Neither the OP nor I mentioned selling Apple stock. I was talking about him wanting to replace his Apple products just because he doesn't like the pricing of some of the new products.
How tricky to leave the ecosystem?
someone is stuck in the in 2010.
I completely left the apple ecosystem using my S9and an old pc.
you can simply buy watches, work out gadgets, home automation, services, music, video, apps headphones and whatever else that work on android and apple OS’es.
mostly it’s apple products that don’t work well on android Platforms.
Who is apple pissin off? Techies Perhaps.
Surely, not my non-techie wife who was happier than a clam with an iPhone 8 until I upgraded her to the 13pro. She would have lived very happy with the 8, her Apple Watch series 4 and her 2017 iPad.
work in an apple store and the non-techie person ratio will easily be 100:1
if apple is losing anything it’s there turning back on walk in support for their products. Now they want you to call support.
someone is stuck in the in 2010.
I completely left the apple ecosystem using my S9and an old pc.
you can simply buy watches, work out gadgets, home automation, services, music, video, apps headphones and whatever else that work on android and apple OS’es.
mostly it’s apple products that don’t work well on android Platforms.
Who is apple pissin off? Techies Perhaps.
Surely, not my non-techie wife who was happier than a clam with an iPhone 8 until I upgraded her to the 13pro. She would have lived very happy with the 8, her Apple Watch series 4 and her 2017 iPad.
work in an apple store and the non-techie person ratio will easily be 100:1
if apple is losing anything it’s there turning back on walk in support for their products. Now they want you to call support.
Maturity of apps, weird bugs, crashes, apps not scaling to tablet size, the lack of OS updates, battery life, security concerns… a long list of mostly little things that made me rethink my decision to try out android tablets. I don’t mind pure Android (I have a Pixel as backup phone, it’s fine), but the tablets simply felt immature. I tried a few brands, with Samsung leading the way in disappointment. Last attempt was in 2020 as a way to beat boredom during Covid lockdowns.
“Jumped the shark”, I believe the saying goes … 😄
Personally I would rather consolidate than leave right now at least for hardware. You would be surprised what you can do with just an iPhone and MacBook. I’m over all the Intel vs AMD and plastic build quality of most Windows laptops.
At the moment, the only real competitor to Apple is the used Apple market. 2nd hand Apple products still work perfectly, at lower price points. And at least it's not giving Apple money for their new crap.
If you have recent-ish Apple hardware. I would just wait it out. That’s what I currently do. The devices I own should be good for the next 5-6 years if necessary, and a lot can happen in that time in terms of Apple line-up, and also it gives more time to save up some money.