Yeah, the thing is that Windows approach is not perfect.. you get lots of blurry apps, etc. but it’s at least completely smooth. I’m certain that the newer Apple chips won’t change anything because the software needs to be radically better.
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Has Apple lost their mind? March 8th Event Disappointment
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I made no qualifications on price. I simply stated that this computer isn't for most people with respect to performance. I'm sure there are some professionals that need an M1 Ultra but what percent of the market is that? I think even an M1 Max is too much for the majority of people.
I know from my personal experience that an M1 is sufficient for me and probably the vast majority of users as well. All it needed was more GPU cores and better external monitor support. I think the M1 Pro is the best processor in the entire line up.
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I would have to agree with that statement about DPI scaling with Windows 10/11. Windows is a victim of backwards compatibility, and many programs are still not HiDPI aware, and can render way too small on a display. When I had a 4K laptop display, I had to use the Windows magnifier for way too many programs. On the flipside, while Apple's handling of HiDPI "just works
", for some displays their method greatly limits usable screen space. It was for this reason I had to upgrade to the 15" MacBook Pro, as the 13" (which is the size I preferred) had a usable display area of 800X600 effectively (2012 - 2015). While it looked nice, it greatly cramped my XCode work space. These days, they use varying scalers, so even the 13" models have more usable screen space than the older ones. Regardless, it is hard to argue that Apple did not do a great job with hiDPI displays! Does anyone even make anything yet that hits up against 40GB? Most SSD's seem to be topping out around 8GB/s.
If it was a software thing, I and other new MBP owners would be seeing the issue given that the 14" is pushing 3024x1964 at 120 Hz (712.6 million pixels/second) and the 16" is pushing 926.5 million px/s, whereas a 60 Hz 4K monitor is only pushing 497m px/s at native resolution or 884.7m px/s if scaling is set to render at 5K and downscale to 4K. It sounds like there might be a bug that affects specific high-res external monitors, but that's not a low-level issue with the speed of the OS since it's not affecting internal displays the same way.
Just to be absolutely sure, is there any chance your 4K monitor got automatically set to 30Hz under macOS? I've heard of other people having mis-detection like that, where the OS unexpectedly kicks the refresh rate down on a reconnect.
I am not sure the price really is that high relative to the LG which costs about $1300. The extra $300 gets you a better web cam, speaker system and microphones. It turns your Mac Mini or Mac Studio into an iMac.
Its also much better looking and while the LG does include an adjustable stand, it is not that stable.
Sure people want things as inexpensively as possible, and Apple's upgrades do cost a lot relatively speaking, but we could have extrapolated the cost based on the MBPs, so let's look at the base Studio with 1TB drive. Im using 1TB because that's the smallest offered on the M1-Max MBPs.
The 16/1TB M1 Mini is 1299.
The M1 Pro, if offered, would probably be $100-200 more 1399/1499
Upgrading the MBP from 16/1TB M1Pro to the 32/1TB M1-Max is 800 = 2199/2299
The base 32/1TB Mac Studio is 2199.
The base Studio costs exactly what you would expect the Mac Mini Pro would cost.
I’m not so sure about that. On another thread, a poster pointed out that the Pro vs. Consumer delineation is much clearer now on the Mac than it has been in years. The Studio and the larger MacBook Pros are clearly on the “Pro” side, while the iMac is now firmly on the “consumer” side, as is the MacBook Air. We’ll see if the 13“ Pro survives as a “Pro” brand when it is updated later this year. It could just become a MacBook.
Agreed. The 27" iMac was the thing I was waiting on. With the comment just one more to go, that is the Apple way for telling everyone it's dead. Disappointing. I ranted for a good hour over it.
You and many other people. This is Apple trying to jack us for a few extra $1000 for the same thing, basically.
Yes, I was actually stunned ?!
What happened to the all in one dependable iMac 27 inch? The one everyone was anticipating, not one word. At least I didn’t hear anything about it. Did you hear any info on the 27” iMac Apple Silicon? Asked the same question on Apple’s own community Forum, and they jumped all over me saying you’re not allowed to talk about possible devices on their forum. It’s a support forum only. I said I was asking for a support. I have a 2020 iMac 27 inch from Costco my wife bought for my birthday a couple weeks ago and wondering if I should return for a refund and wait for a future 27 inch iMac with Apple Silicon. Got a few nasty responses from the forum Masters/gurus as they believe themselves to be, They took down my post and sent me a verbal warning by email threatening to delete my account if there were further posts That “violated” their “rules“. WTF! Got the impression it’s run by a few self-important idiots. I supported Macintosh, which was the name back in the 80s and 90s, Who won the beginning and during their dark ties when they almost failed. Apples own support forum and you have to be careful what you ask?
I’ll be looking elsewhere, like here, for assistance in the future. One can say as they your please and ask as one pleases, without worrying to being censored. Unbelievable!
Tab key let me know if you hear any information on mutual topic of interest. Best, Seth
Really think they all in one iMac 27 inch is no more? We are only going to make a 4:3 ratio Apple Silicon iMac? Bad decision if so.
I am not surprised by Apple's pricing any more.
The products (Mac Studio and the display) look good.
But, the prices are absurd.
The products (Mac Studio and the display) look good.
But, the prices are absurd.
My 2010 MacBook Pro with a SATA SSD runs better and smoother than my 2020 HP Professional line Laptop. I'm not being snarky, I'm serious.
Agree it's not really surprising, Apple will charge absolutely as much as they possibly can for any given product (doubtless backed up by huge amounts of market research) and seemingly with less and less holistic thought put into the product offerings as a whole. What did raise a bit of an eyebrow for me is that the Mac Studio + Studio Display is seemingly positioned as a replacement for the 27" iMac, which, however you cut it was a drastically less expensive computer. The Apple Silicon products really seem to accelerate a trend of squeezing out the middle. You're either getting an entry level vanilla M1 product, with very limited actual choices for these machines, or paying a small fortune to get into the higher end stuff.
Except I really just wwanted the screen. I don't buy a monitor for the speakers and, while the camera is nice to have, it also locks me into a 12mp camera.
You actually read the 27 inch iMac Apple Silicon is not going to be a reality?
Looking on eBay there is such a plethora of 27 inch IMAX people are trying to sell in anticipation I am sure for this product that has been anticipated for the past two years, almost! There’s this one fella that had several hundred claiming open boxes and the price went from 1500 down to $999 for the entry-level 2020 iMac 27 inch, which Apple still sells for $1799 as does Best Buy, as does Costco. Are used to work Best Buy in the way way you could sell an Apple product below the MSRP was if one was returned or an open box, so they call it. I suspect all you need to do is take a new iMac break the seal on the box, as they have two round white seals one must disrupt, and that makes it an open box. Those didn’t last long at Best Buy, great majority of customers were employees! Oh yeah, really, you actually read there’s not going to be a 27 inch iMac Apple Silicon? It’s gonna be this stupid grant Mac mini was a super expensive 27 inch screen or display as they call it, with a whopping three configurations, and has three US VA, not USB she connectors and one thunderbolt four, to connect to phone in large Mac me, or whatever else is the host.
X-ray that this was implied to throw people off and get them to pay the $4000 plus, because that’s what it becomes at the entry level if you get the matching keyboard and mouse which are $300 between the two. Where are you disappointed. Why would a keyboard cost $200 in a mouse $100? And now they’re rechargeable so you can’t replace the batteries. That means they have a lifespan of a point they’re garbage!
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One more question. Did you determine if the RAM is soldered or can one configure it themselves? The way things are going I’m sure it’s a sealed device with no owner serviceable parts. One has to pay the price for Apple‘s ram? In the late 90s Apple came out with a few desktop computers that you could not upgrade, and they were essentially trash in my office after a year and a half. macOS upgrade made them useless as there was none of memory to do anything and in an office with one minute space for a workstation you don’t want a bunch of hard drives sitting around everywhere. What a profit margin on that little accessory, yes?
Is it actually heartbreaking to see. You think Steve would approve of this behavior? Now that they’ve got such a big share of the market and users knowing how to use the devices, we are hooked END users with no choices except their choices. They know this and abusing it. This is really a sad day. I never thought Macintosh/now Apple would stoop to such tactics, just like everyone else. There’s nowhere else to go, and I refuse to be a PC user at home, although it has been crossing my mind of late. The last few hours at least.
Tab key out Tab key out of curiosity, what will be the course of action as far as purchases will be for the folks here for the most part? Best, Seth
What are you specifically referencing as slow about the MacOS? Specific feature? Surely not bootup time. My MacBook M1 Max boots up cold in about 13.5 seconds and my best Windows 10 laptop boots up in about 45 seconds. Sure, one can play great games, while the other creates great videos and photos and does not break a sweat doing it.
You provide no context to your clickbait statement which was likely the goal of the post.
The external monitor situation is still an absolute mess with m1 based devices. I have 2 m1 airs and as good as they are in most other aspects, I have contemplated getting rid of them simply due to how bad m1 has been with (some) external monitors. Insane issues like constant flickering, vertical lines/bands and even image retention issues. No fix from day 1 until now. Possibly hardware level issue with the m1s.
See for examples - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/m1-air-ghosting-flickering-with-external-display.2271670/
45 seconds?? Are you running it on a spinning hard drive lol. I have a 9900k and a samsung pro ssd which I am 100% sure is much slower than the macbook SSDs and my cold boot times into desktop are sub 10s.
Mother of mercy...really? Too much caffeine? Are you going to buy one anyway? Are you in the intended audience?
Keep your M1 Mini it seems to do all you want and won't cost anything additional.
What time value do you have? For me, a render going from 15 minutes to 7.5 minutes is a big deal. Is going from 5 minutes to 2.5 minutes just as big a deal? No, so I likely don't need such a system.
But to lambast it as not "new" enough is disturbing. How old is the M1 Max? What other technologies are you looking at that would allow this level of performance?