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ahurst

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First we thought that this was a joke from Apple.
We can easily use 40 TB SSD. It should have at least 16 TB SSD.
It would be great if it had a 40 TB SSD option, sure, but is that something that's even commercially available right now with comparable bandwidth to Apple's SSDs?

The closest I can find is the Samsung PM1643 SAS SSD, which is 30.72 TB, costs $8000-$10000 USD, and has a maximum read speed of ~2 TB/s (less than 1/3 of the Studio's 7.5 TB/s). There's also the 3.5" SATA ExaDrive SSDs, which let you buy up to 100 TB for $40k USD (!!!), but are limited to 0.5 TB/s read speeds. Is there anyone on the market offering what you were hoping for?

But nothing of this and not even the M1 Ultra chip is inside the 16-inch MacBook Pro. This is very bad. We have expected that Apple will do it better.
As cool as it would be, a chip like the Ultra just isn't going to fit within the thermal or power consumption profile of a 0.66" thick laptop. It's like being upset Lenovo isn't offering the top-of-the-like desktop 64-core Threadripper CPUs in its T-series ThinkPads.
 
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cmaier

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1. Make a modular-design tabletbooks, allowing for tablet/notebook mode
2. Make a hybrid system, that switches between tablet and pc modes when you remove screen from the base

LOL.

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JouniS

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It would be great if it had a 40 TB SSD option, sure, but is that something that's even commercially available right now with comparable bandwidth to Apple's SSDs?
If a 8 TB option exists, you get a 40 TB option by using five of them. That obviously requires some bandwidth, but proper workstation chips have plenty of PCIe lanes.
 

zebrasprite

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For comparison the M1 Ultra has 114 billion transistors, a 3090 has 28.3 billion.

It's almost more impressive that a tiny little 3090 is going to be able to keep up with the M1 Ultra. :p
Hehe, possibly so. It's cool to see processors and gpus get so powerful.
 

Darth Tulhu

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If you are in the apple ecosystem and are intending to stay in the Apple eco system then yes, its amazing. If you are open to shopping around though, then you need to start qualifying that statement. Its still good and it still has AMAZING efficiency but in terms of just raw performance it starts getting beat by some of the competition, unless you are only comparing m1 ultra and only concerned with MT, then yes it is in theory potentially unmatched for the moment.
If you're shopping around for PC vs Mac, I think that is another conversation entirely.

However, I'd love to hear of a $699 PC that goes toe to toe with the M1 Mini. For example:


Because really the argument stems on what amount of power you're getting per dollar.

And/or perhaps what amount of performance you're getting when compared to prior, even more expensive models.

People are complaining that Apple killed the 27" iMac/iMac Pro, but the thing is that the 2020(!) Mini kicks the pants off of those machines.

Now with the Studio Display, Apple has effectively "repackaged" and improved on the big iMacs in every way, even if the screen's the same. Smaller bezels, better camera, better sound, better ergonomics, and better connectivity (because it is offloaded to the computer).

That's why Apple put the M1 in the 24" iMacs (which themselves improve on the previous "smaller iMac"). They split the difference in size for the one and only Apple AIO.

The concept of splitting the 27" display off of the old iMac is fantastic: it gives Apple (and us) greater flexibility in attaching the wanted/needed power to said monitor. And you can even skip the monitor entirely for something cheaper, better, or already existing in your possession.

Thus, when it comes to power, Apple's "low end" is almost a misnomer. There isn't one.

ALL (M1-based) Apple's computers START at greater-than-iMac Pro levels of power.
 

oz_rkie

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If you're shopping around for PC vs Mac, I think that is another conversation entirely.

However, I'd love to hear of a $699 PC that goes toe to toe with the M1 Mini
Here - even a very low effort attempt, you can build something that is $100 cheaper with more RAM and can trade blows (similar ST, higher MT) - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zvDdXy with the added benefit of being infinitely more upgradeable. Want more RAM down the road, np. Want to add a GPU when the artificial crypto inflation pricing ends, go ahead, more storage, faster cpu, easy. You can also find similar prebuilts from dell, lenovo etc. which are often sold at pretty good sales bringing the price even lower (ex. - https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/des...desktop/spd/inspiron-3910-desktop/nd3910fifjs again $100 cheaper than $699 already even without a sale).

Now with the Studio Display, Apple has effectively "repackaged" and improved on the big iMacs in every way, even if the screen's the same. Smaller bezels, better camera, better sound, better ergonomics, and better connectivity (because it is offloaded to the computer).

The same guy you post to prove the great value of a mac mini (which is a good product btw) also says how terrible value the studio display is -
 
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oz_rkie

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It's almost like he is playing both sides so that he can get clicks and revenue for all the hot-button discussions. Buh nah, I'm sure it's not that.
Or maybe he can acknowledge when something is good value and concede when something is not? You know, like someone who is not a fanboi? ...Buh nah, I'm sure it's not that...
 

thettareddast

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First we thought that this was a joke from Apple.
We can easily use 40 TB SSD. It should have at least 16 TB SSD. The 128 GB RAM are good enough but of course 256 GB RAM would be better. But nothing of this and not even the M1 Ultra chip is inside the 16-inch MacBook Pro. This is very bad. We have expected that Apple will do it better.

So where else were you planning to buy a desktop with built-in 40TB SSD before waiting for the Mac announcement?
 

mi7chy

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So where else were you planning to buy a desktop with built-in 40TB SSD before waiting for the Mac announcement?

A lot of consumer motherboards have 4 x NVMe SSD slots so with currently largest available 8TB NVMe SSDs that's 32TB plus 8 x SATA at up to 100TB each so altogether 32TB + 800TB.
 

robgendreau

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It's almost like he is playing both sides so that he can get clicks and revenue for all the hot-button discussions. Buh nah, I'm sure it's not that.
It was one of the most idiotic comparsions I've seen. Basically he says it's the same as an 8 year old iMac 5k display...except for the 15 ways it's not the same. Like a Corolla is the same as a Lambo cuz they have four wheels. Or M1 chips are all the same because they say "M1" at the beginning.

If you don't want 5k, don't buy it. Sheesh. If you do, it's a decent value. And no, those speakers will be better than some Best Buy budget speakers...spend on comparable sound and add that to the price of a display? And BTW, has he priced out the cost of a hub the USB C ports and 87W charging? add that too. I think the LGs are $1300.

In short, he ought to compare apples to apples. Or just say buy a cheap monitor. You're never going to get 5k like that for 1080P prices. Sorry.
 
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kazmac

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Any place but here or there....
I both agree and disagree as far as prices and storage.

Yes, it’s Apple but I wish this Studio was available in 2020 when I bought the M1 MacBook Pro out of desperation. Spent almost $2500 for that and see the Max Studio as a much better value. Yes, more storage would be great at the intro price point, but it’s Apple.

I agree, the display and stands are overpriced and am bummed no portrait orientation exists unless you choose the VESA mount.
 

ikir

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LG Ultrafine 27”@5k=1.300€. Comes with height adjustment stand😉
PS: HDR?
You are right no HDR, but better webcam, sound, materials. I live the LG Ultrafines, but this one is better, still expensive but beside this there are next to zero good monitors with retina dpi and quality.
 
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ikir

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First we thought that this was a joke from Apple.
We can easily use 40 TB SSD. It should have at least 16 TB SSD. The 128 GB RAM are good enough but of course 256 GB RAM would be better. But nothing of this and not even the M1 Ultra chip is inside the 16-inch MacBook Pro. This is very bad. We have expected that Apple will do it better.
Are you high?
 
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SouthPalito

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If you're shopping around for PC vs Mac, I think that is another conversation entirely.

However, I'd love to hear of a $699 PC that goes toe to toe with the M1 Mini. For example:

I always 🤣 at the competition for the most hideous thumbnails in YouTube videos to get attention. It seems the formula is to post the ugliest possible face expression and some arrows or circles pointing at something.
 

cp1160

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Well I was going to purchase a new imac 27 this year.

Given apple has dumped this product (with zero communication to customers) I guess thats not going to happen.

I am sure as **** not spending twice the money for a Studio set up.

Mac minis are unreliable and I wont be buying another ...every one I have had have problems....Problems starting up the attached screen and keeping keyboard and mouse attached. Just annoying every day.

I started using mac back in the days of windows vista (truely rubbish)...but now W10 is vastly better and reliable. My W10 pcs with fabulous 32 inch screens never miss a beat.

Guess Apple is telling me I am not their type of client and I should *** off.
Would you really expect Apple to contact you to tell you that they are discontinuing a product you might want? I mean what are your expectations on telling you? They would prefer no leaks and letting them make announcements as appropriate. So far discontinuing is officially only a rumor (which is likely going to be true).

As to budget, clearly the Mac Studio has a limited audience. I fit in that audience but won't bite. My M1 Max laptop seems ideal at this point. As to fabulous screens, wouldn't the fabulous screens be just as fabulous connected to a Mac? Mine are.

As to Mini's being unreliable and keyboard detaching....I have that on a W10 machine...sure does not ruin my day.

But as to your experiences, if W10 is vastly superior for you, then migrate. I use W10, W11 and Mac OS and my results are not as good. Every operating system has issues and in my photo processing I have far more issues in W10 then I do on the Mac. But that is for me. Go with the one you want and be done with it.

Apple has not told you what to do, how to do it, and what to do procreationally inappropriate.
 
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Ethosik

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If a 8 TB option exists, you get a 40 TB option by using five of them. That obviously requires some bandwidth, but proper workstation chips have plenty of PCIe lanes.
You are looking at the wrong product here. 40TB is diving into the full blown Mac Pro territory. Apple is still updating that system you know right?
 

Ethosik

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I always 🤣 at the competition for the most hideous thumbnails in YouTube videos to get attention. It seems the formula is to post the ugliest possible face expression and some arrows or circles pointing at something.
Unfortunately that is the YouTube game these days. And its on YouTube, not on the creators. The creators are just doing what they need to do to remain relevant to the "algorithm of the day".
 
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