That is just ONE of the things I griped about.
And remember, one day (hopefully) Diablo 4 is going to come out.
You want to play Diablo 4 on your Mac right?
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That is just ONE of the things I griped about.
And remember, one day (hopefully) Diablo 4 is going to come out.
You want to play Diablo 4 on your Mac right?
Uh a $5,000 Dell workstation barely matches a 3060 in terms of performance. It uses NVIDIA Quadro which plays games poorly for the money. So no, not every computer in existence. How can we take you seriously when you say stuff like that? Can the Microsoft Surface match a 3090? So there you go - not every computer in the world can meet your standards on the Windows side either.
And what the heck is wrong with using a PS3? I think that attitude you showed points to you needing the ELITE of the ELITE gaming PC.
I don’t play video games.That is just ONE of the things I griped about.
And remember, one day (hopefully) Diablo 4 is going to come out.
You want to play Diablo 4 on your Mac right?
The issue is the 6 year old game, it was made for a different architecture, the new cutting edge game might actually perform better than that 6 years old because it will be made for its CPU.
You want a Ferrari to go off-road, it won't work no matter how expensive it is.
Apple solution is not buy a pc, but Apple does not make gaming computers.
Not gonna happen, I’m not sure anyone wants a 3 pound heat sink in a laptop. Also, just what kinds of things are you wanting to do with an M1 Ultra in a MacBook Pro anyway?! Especially things that aren’t addressed by the M1 Max already?
I really am starting to think that these complaints are mostly a matter of “the M1 Ultra exists, so it should totally be in a laptop!” Never mind that it’s literally twice as large as an M1 Max (because it’s literally two M1 Maxes) and, in the Mac Studio, apparently requires a heat sink that weighs just as much as Apple’s laptop offerings on its own. For the kinds of workflows Apple targets, workstation class laptops don’t make a lot of sense. And Apple would have to introduce a completely new design of laptop to target that audience (if just for the cooling demands), one smaller than the audience for the Mac Studio or the Mac Pro (since very few people NEED workstation grade laptops, especially given that it would probably be easier and faster to do that kind of heavy lifting on a remote machine anyway).
Would love to see the kinda stuff they would produce with that kinda hardware....if any.
Nope. I want to play it on my PS5 and big TV. Mac is my studio computer, not a toy.That is just ONE of the things I griped about.
And remember, one day (hopefully) Diablo 4 is going to come out.
You want to play Diablo 4 on your Mac right?
Not necessarily. I thought the general reputation of Diablo 3 was far less than Diablo 2, and it seems Blizzard has lost its magic anyway (so no high hopes for Diablo 4 here). Besides, Blizzard is being acquired by Microsoft, it’s very likely that Diablo 4 would have a period of exclusivity to Windows and XBox.That is just ONE of the things I griped about.
And remember, one day (hopefully) Diablo 4 is going to come out.
You want to play Diablo 4 on your Mac right?
But you really do seem to have your head fixated on gaming, as if that’s the only reason to spend more than $1500 on a computer. And, if you really are super into gaming, why not buy an Alienware computer or something else literally designed for gaming? Or build your own? And why does every game need to be at 8k? Actually, I strongly suspect that 5k is the most resolution you’ll ever need on a desktop computer at the distances people typically sit from their monitors. (Actually, I’m not even sure 8k makes much sense in the living room on anything that’s not Frank’s 2000” TV, or at least on < 100” TVs. 8k only makes sense on very large displays [of the kind that won’t fit in most homes] or on large displays [60” to 100”] at distances far closer than usual couch distance.)
Mac people do not buy RAM now because they have no option to, Apple killed this market for their own machines, I would not say it was diminishing in the Mac community and was a cheap and easy way to add life to an older machine.
You can pay Apple when you order your machine to upgrade your RAM, of course they charge. I will say RAM is probably not as important for most people these days as most machines are faster then what most people need for regularly daily life. The pro community is different though and people do upgrade and change, again because of Apples move away from this it does not happen in the Apple community anymore. Apple has stopped selling Pro desktop computers like the towers that were very popular with the G3's, G4's and G5's. RAM upgrades were easy, hard drive swapping just as easy, now basically not an option. Buy what you want at the beginning and when you need more get a whole new computer.
Storage is another thing, why would anyone want to pay forever to maintain their data in the cloud with hard drives being incredibly cheap? I use cloud storage for secondary backup, it is cheap for unlimited space but it is a offsite secondary backup of valuable and important content for me and not something I am needing to access regularly or work off of. Working off a cloud drive is not great and not something you do for pro use, files are too large and you would need some pretty amazing speeds to run anything out of the cloud. People fill up their computers with photos, movies and other things that they are now forced into the cloud or to pay a premium for hard drive space that costs next to nothing if it does not have Apple's name on it.
These things are all forced by Apple and their high prices for basic computer components. Yes they generally have better specs but not all pro users, maybe even most are not doing high end video work, or video work at all and not recording symphonies or mixing music. Specs are impressive, and are over kill for most people, pro or not.
I don't even know what a 3060 or 3090 is but I know you can buy a Windows gaming laptop for like $1000.
What is wrong with the PS3 is that it was discontinued in 2016.
Can you use it for spreadsheets or word processing? Or does Apple not make computers for that either?
Yes, apparently toys have better 3d graphics performance. LOL
Diablo on console = Nope for me but I get it
The games I play on the computer tend to be things like Civilization, World of Warcraft, Diablo, Command & Conquer, Pirates, Heroes of Might & Magic. Those types of games need some graphics power but not a decked out gaming system.
If I am playing something like Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Uncharted, Tomb Raider, Watchdogs, or Call of Duty/Battleground then the console is my choice.
Diablo 4 is well under way in terms of development and I don't see it being a Windows exclusive. (timed or otherwise) If it were then that would be sad especially since no Wintel VMs on M1 computers.
But the bottom line is I want to be able to do a little bit of everything on the desktop. I want it to be a jack of all trades even if it is a master of none.
The iMacs filled that role for a long time. Sadly they are dead as we know them.
I honestly use my iPad Pro more than anything at the current time. I have a magic keyboard and use it to "Jump" to the iMac from time to time but I still prefer a big screen, etc. for some tasks.
Well that is.....shocking for someone with your level of gameplay that doesn't even know what NVIDIA GPUs are.
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This Quadro GPU is not very good when it comes to gaming. Matches about the 3060 in terms of gaming performance. And this is OVER $5,000!
Workstation/business class systems are generally not good in gaming. Not just from Apple (which is focused in business space than gaming), but with Dell, HP, Lenovo and more.
I haven't researched video cards in a very very long time because I haven't had the need to buy one. I used to buy the better video cards in my iMacs via BTO but I quit doing that awhile back as I was replacing the iMac every few years and it was a waste to do that.
One of the reasons I switched to Mac back in 2005 is because I was tired of all the work associated with Windows PCs. I just wanted it to work without me having to screw with it all the time. I still feel that way.
I was running Catalina up until a few weeks ago.
Well from your responses it sounds like you are wanting to chase the 8K, Ray tracing, ULTRA settings aspect of gaming, because as I said, I can play Tomb Raider on my base M1 Mac mini. In that case, you need to look at the NVIDIA 3080 or 3090. Which a mid-range CPU and that GPU at MSRP would still be around $1,500. Apple Mac Studios are business class systems, just like that Dell I provided, which has a lot of markup and not good money for gaming. $5,000 Dell desktop that can be beaten by a $1,500 custom built at MSRP? Why get the Dell for gaming then?I haven't researched video cards in a very very long time because I haven't had the need to buy one. I used to buy the better video cards in my iMacs via BTO but I quit doing that awhile back as I was replacing the iMac every few years and it was a waste to do that.
One of the reasons I switched to Mac back in 2005 is because I was tired of all the work associated with Windows PCs. I just wanted it to work without me having to screw with it all the time. I still feel that way.
I was running Catalina up until a few weeks ago.
When ill you kids realize RAM on M1 is directly on processor connection! RAM on PC is long way from the processor, two different systems!
You are just trolling at this point.
It’s a Workstation not a Gaming Pc.
Sorry you do not get it.
You completely miss the point. I know it cannot be added now because of how Apple has designed these computers. They made the decision a while ago to go a different direction that gives the user less choice for more money and only through Apple.
From:
"On the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark, the RTX was also a solid 30 frames per second faster. Now, this is Apple gaming, of course, so Tomb Raider was not a perfect or even particularly good experience: there was substantial, noticeable micro stutter at every resolution we tried. This is not at all a computer that anyone would buy for gaming. But it does emphasize that if you’re running a computing load that relies primarily on a heavy-duty GPU, the Mac Studio is probably not the best choice."
The bolded comment is the only point I am trying to make.
Apple charts and graphs don't do a great job of making this clear.
Two things, the part you didn't bold says a lot. First, a game that is optimized to run on nvidia GPUs is running marginally better than an unoptimized version for M1 GPUs going through a translation layer. More importantly, perhaps, is that Shadow of the Tomb Raider has raytracing support, so both M1 and RTX cards will use what they have available. News-flash: M1 GPUs don't have hardware raytracing.From:
"On the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark, the RTX was also a solid 30 frames per second faster. Now, this is Apple gaming, of course, so Tomb Raider was not a perfect or even particularly good experience: there was substantial, noticeable micro stutter at every resolution we tried. This is not at all a computer that anyone would buy for gaming. But it does emphasize that if you’re running a computing load that relies primarily on a heavy-duty GPU, the Mac Studio is probably not the best choice."
The bolded comment is the only point I am trying to make.
Apple charts and graphs don't do a great job of making this clear.
If the point is literally boiling down to "hardware raytracing is better than no hardware ray tracing," then.... OK? Not all heavy-duty GPU computing loads are raytracing loads, so that statement doesn't stand in a vacuum. I don't think I've seen anyone make the argument that M1-family GPUs are beating other GPUs that have dedicated raytracing hardware at raytracing workloads.
If we take raytracing out of the picture (for now, as Apple's licensing with Imagination all but guarantees there is hardware RT coming in future M-series SoCs), then it seems that Apple's GPUs are very competitive in performance, and unbelievably triumphant in performance/watt.