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Has Apple Silicon made you reconsider the Mac platform?
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Not just the terminal and window manager. Godot engine is way better on Linux than on MacOS as I already said. And I tend to use that engine a lot these days. Also, customizing OS for my own liking is an huge advantage. I'm not talking just about theming. So hardware, OS and software. What more do I need?
On desktop side I agree. I also don't need more ports than iMac and mac mini provide. It's good enough for me.
But on laptops? MBP is a joke when it comes to ports, keyboards and gimmicky touchbar. Those are the reasons I've left after so long.
And I never liked macs on desktops. I had multiple iMacs with dust and screen ghosting, and mac mini us way underpowered in GPU.
In desktop, I really like to build my own. Nothing can compete with that. Not just price wise, but on hardware side of things as well.
As always, Benchmarks have limited value, the M1 is good and it's fast, that does not mean it always makes it faster than an intel/AMD chip at specific tasks. Tasks you do can be done just as quickly on a 'slower' chip. And Lee Zavitz is an Apple guy, of course, he is impressed and replacing something with the M1.
M1 is more than impressive chip. It's by far the best chip in it's category.
But GPU is pretty lackluster. Apple will need to do much better when it comes to GPU. Current one in M1 is good for 13" MBA and MBP, but for 16"?
But GPU is pretty lackluster. Apple will need to do much better when it comes to GPU. Current one in M1 is good for 13" MBA and MBP, but for 16"?
The M1 Mac Mini supports the following so I don't see it being an issue just driving the 16" MBP display. It's the GPU accelerated stuff where it falls behind discrete GPUs.
Video Support
- Simultaneously supports up to two displays:
One display with up to 6K resolution at 60Hz connected via Thunderbolt and one display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz connected via HDMI 2.0 - Thunderbolt 3 digital video output supports
Native DisplayPort output over USB‑C
Thunderbolt 2, DVI, and VGA output supported using adapters (sold separately) - HDMI 2.0 display video output
Support for one display with up to 4K resolution at 60Hz
DVI output using HDMI to DVI Adapter (sold separately)
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I was thinking about raw GPU power. It's lacking even when compared to low end dedicated GPU.
But even on supporting monitors it's lacking when compared to Intel based macs. But it's a 1st gen product, so I'm not taking that as a major flaw since I do believe Apple will fix it asap.
I was thinking about raw GPU power. It's lacking even when compared to low end dedicated GPU.
But even on supporting monitors it's lacking when compared to Intel based macs. But it's a 1st gen product, so I'm not taking that as a major flaw since I do believe Apple will fix it asap.
Huh? The Intel integrated graphics is pretty crappy. M1 GPU is much better than that in terms of raw performance.
Bandwidth and compatibility is where M1's limited.
Apple M1 Geekbench 5 OpenCL is 18,305
Intel Iris Xe 14,875
I've heard that AMD's latest APU beats the M1 but I don't have a link to the article handy.
I have a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti in my i7-10700 desktop and it scores 21,961. This is considered high-low-end or low-midrange. My son has a GeForce GTX 1650 which is probably middle of the midrange with a score of 38,329. My daughter has a GeForce GTX 1660 Ti which scores 60,285 - maybe high in the midrange models.
The current top score is the GeForce RTX 3090 at 203,458. The high for AMD is the Radeo RX 6900 XT at 168,231. Apple would have to increase its performance by over ten times to top nVidia's best.
Intel Integrated on the Mac Mini 2018 supports 3x4k monitors. So, yes, Intel Integrated wins on display support. But raw processing power is lower than M1 by quite a bit. The 11th Generation Tiger Lake closes the gap in terms of processing performance.
Yes, I know M1 is below discrete GPU (to be expected). However, I really don't see why it would have any issues powering a 16" MacBook display for typical user tasks when the M1 Mac Mini already supports the same resolution. I actually would want a 16" MacBook "Air".
The 16 inch can power 4x4k. AND the internal display.
I call that Pro. At least for the current era.
Saw somewhere that they will scale it up to 128 GPU cores. So like 16 times faster, would be interesting if Apple really pulled that off.
I think that they'd have to go off the SoC to do that.
AMD applied for a patent for GPU Chiplets last year. This will allow them to modularly build up GPUs to make them as large as they want to. One difference in the GPU market is that there are three players (Intel, nVidia, AMD) instead of two, and they don't have the architectural limitations of x86.
AMD and nVidia have been in active competition on GPUs for some time now.
In my post I already said dedicated GPUs.
Current one is good enough for MBP 13" and MBA, as I've already stated.
But MBP 16 comes with a dedicated GPU. And that one (all of them, 5300, 5500, 5600) can eat M1 GPU and then some. So I was referring to that Apple need way better GPU performance in bigger laptops, and iMacs for example.
They also need to fix just one external display on macbook part. That's way too limited. But since this is their 1st gen product, I'm not overly critical. I just hope that by 3rd gen all these issues are resolved. Because people who need high end GPU power won't purchase current M1 macs, because they are really lagging behind, no matter how good the CPU part is.
My point is the M1 GPU can drive the 16" display just fine. It doesn't need to be faster just for the built-in display. Case in point: M1 Mac Mini being used with 4K-5K monitors.
Of course, with the 16" MBP being at a more premium price point, there are other, higher expectations that the M1 does not meet.
As a (hopefully temporary) workaround for the Bluetooth issues, has anyone tried a cheap dongle?
I’m on my first trip with M1. I had a bold plan to take only this one with me, but after spending two days trying to copy 4TB to encrypted AFPS external NVMe drive from SMB share I took a Razer also.
Screw me, I have like a half dozen of usb-c or thunderbolt hubs and it was failing one way or another on each of them. You know what worked - recalled old Pluggable usb-c hub that was causing 15’’ MBP to cycle AC/DC forever works perfectly fine with M1. And connecting NVMe to USB 3.0 port, with regular USB plug.
It’s like your girlfriend insists on taking her pink Tesla for vacation, but you put it on a trailer behind your diesel powered truck just to make sure it gets where it is supposed to go.
Screw me, I have like a half dozen of usb-c or thunderbolt hubs and it was failing one way or another on each of them. You know what worked - recalled old Pluggable usb-c hub that was causing 15’’ MBP to cycle AC/DC forever works perfectly fine with M1. And connecting NVMe to USB 3.0 port, with regular USB plug.
It’s like your girlfriend insists on taking her pink Tesla for vacation, but you put it on a trailer behind your diesel powered truck just to make sure it gets where it is supposed to go.
There was a glimmer of hope here in the UK that we would get back out and about so with that prospect I ordered a new M1 MBA. Just cancelled the order. in full lockdown until Mid-Feb at the moment but no real expectation that they will start to ease this lockdown until March at the earliest. The M1 MM will suffice for now.
I honestly don't see me getting back to the office until heading into Q4.
I honestly don't see me getting back to the office until heading into Q4.
I never claimed it can't run 16" screen. Of course it can.
But GPUs purpose isn't just driving a single or dual screen. It goes way beyond that. And current one is really lacking behind. There is a reason Apple doesn't sell MBP 16" with just iGPU. But even that would work for some, because you could use eGPU. On M1 macs eGPU is not an option.
GPUs have a variety of purposes and you can get some that are great for architectural and engineering work that are terrible for games. You can get GPUs which have support for several high-resolution monitors for office work but they're not that useful for other functions that require specific GPU performance areas.
The MacBook Pro 16 is Apple's flagship. The M1 is Apple's low-end Mac chip and it will be the slowest of all of the Apple Silicon chips. It does certain things well but not the things that make the current MBP 16 "Pro".
Apple is helping Microsoft for arm ...in 3 years my surface pro x didnt changed until....almost everyone jumped into native arm after Apple release the new macs