Agreed, not going to knock them for what they have done so far, someone has woken up at Apple. The suggestion that the new 14/16 MBP coming soon will see Magsafe returned, maybe even an old USB port. I am confused as much as happy at the way they are moving.
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Has Apple Silicon made you reconsider the Mac platform?
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I still hope for a powerful surface competitor. Would probably buy it immediately for my personal use.
It's coming, although I rather infer that not needing Dongles is just Apple speak for more ports not greater port diversity LOL. I for one know that USB C only is frequently more a liability than any benefit, as the reliance on Dongle's remains remains a bad joke...
Fact is the world doesn't change to suit Apple, rather more Apple's Pro users and for that matter casual users get "hamstrung" by an abundant lack of common sense. Bottom line is that the vast majority of Mac users are casual and that's why why we arrived here in the first place, as they likely don't utilise the ports.
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Had a time to test it out - Upper base Air with 8/8/512gb.
Short story: this is impressive.
M1 chews through Lightroom CC - works like an ios app on iphone, smooth and fast. While for some reasons it was lagging bad on Lenovo 10750h/1660ti laptop with 16gb ram.
Lightroom Classic - works fast, no way to tell that it is Rosetta. My presets installed correctly, given that i had only installer pkg from 1 year ago.
DaVinci Resolve 17 - UI of it felt little laggier on M1 than on Win laptop, but the actual playback(4k60 se2) with color edit was much smoother than 7 pounds 17inch monster with power brick weight equal to Air(almost, 2 lbs brick). Maybe UI was lagging a bit because i used external 2k monitor.
All of my old/bad written software worked seamlessly on M1, despite being written for Intel long time ago.
All in all this a good universal laptop. I feel only limited in terms of games, but everything else feels much better on Air.
Short story: this is impressive.
M1 chews through Lightroom CC - works like an ios app on iphone, smooth and fast. While for some reasons it was lagging bad on Lenovo 10750h/1660ti laptop with 16gb ram.
Lightroom Classic - works fast, no way to tell that it is Rosetta. My presets installed correctly, given that i had only installer pkg from 1 year ago.
DaVinci Resolve 17 - UI of it felt little laggier on M1 than on Win laptop, but the actual playback(4k60 se2) with color edit was much smoother than 7 pounds 17inch monster with power brick weight equal to Air(almost, 2 lbs brick). Maybe UI was lagging a bit because i used external 2k monitor.
All of my old/bad written software worked seamlessly on M1, despite being written for Intel long time ago.
All in all this a good universal laptop. I feel only limited in terms of games, but everything else feels much better on Air.
I am conflicted about it. I love the idea of Apple going back to a vertically integrated hardware product optimized with their software and the return to RISC. I have a little bit of nostalgia for the pre-iPod Apple plus SGI and Sun. But I need a laptop that can be used in my career field: engineering, project management, and manufacturing.
The M1 Macs were a huge disappointment towards that. Sure, great processing performance compared to their predecessors, but with I/O and architecture decisions that moved further away from broad usage in my corporate environment. The recent rumors about the 16 inch regaining ports has brought a touch of renewed hope that Apple is considering a customer base broader than the audio-visual crowd.
Software developers need to know that enough customers will actually buy the hardware before they commit to porting their products.
My company has some Mac users and supports them, but it’s a joke. Between running only a fraction of the software needed to dongles for everything, the only people who use them are VPs and the like. Yet for the very reason that we have the infrastructure and decision makers using Macs, we’re primed to go if the product ever became viable. I even have the choice of a MacBook Pro when I get computer refreshes, but go with a Dell instead because it is a better tool even though my personal computer is a Mac.
The M1 Macs were a huge disappointment towards that. Sure, great processing performance compared to their predecessors, but with I/O and architecture decisions that moved further away from broad usage in my corporate environment. The recent rumors about the 16 inch regaining ports has brought a touch of renewed hope that Apple is considering a customer base broader than the audio-visual crowd.
Software developers need to know that enough customers will actually buy the hardware before they commit to porting their products.
My company has some Mac users and supports them, but it’s a joke. Between running only a fraction of the software needed to dongles for everything, the only people who use them are VPs and the like. Yet for the very reason that we have the infrastructure and decision makers using Macs, we’re primed to go if the product ever became viable. I even have the choice of a MacBook Pro when I get computer refreshes, but go with a Dell instead because it is a better tool even though my personal computer is a Mac.
I suspect the M1 is a bit of red herring as it were. Somewhat classic Apple. They push out a couple of options as proof of just how good their ARM offering is vs previous models but keep it in the existing familiar body. People, buy, rave about just how good it is and their marketing of ARM is done.
But what the M1 is not, is a reflection of how much more capable the next chips in the roadmap are which combined with a redesign of devices will offer a much more interesting package.
And unfortunately, that is something that may not change, if it does don't expect it to be soon.
The M1 is a pimped iPad Pro chip from 2 years ago. It was only the beginning. It's a platform change and will take some time, but if they do it right it will be glorious for lots of users.
Certainly not overnight, no. The only way it could happen quickly is if Apple bought out PTC or AutoDesk (they have cash reserves to afford both at the same time) and threw some money at Microsoft to port software.
But my bar was actually a little lower. I was just looking for signs that Apple was considering corporate customers, engineering or not. But it was the continuation of a trend... On chip RAM maxed at 16GB and a decrease in physical ports were a bad omen. It prompted, “What is Apple going to do on the higher models?” The M1 Macs replaced other Macs with integrated graphics so an on chip 8 core GPU is acceptable in that application. But a Quadro T2000, which is used in similarly priced thin thin/light workstations, has 1024 cores. Then the processor also needs more cores. And RAM needs to be higher. Basically, everything needs to be more on the 16 inch model, but the M1 architecture has a less obvious path for growth because it’s all crammed on one piece of silicon. Look how much space the 8 core GPU takes, now imagine even a 128 core version (which would have to be 8x more powerful per core to match the T2000).
Will they handicap performance of the higher models to stay SOC? There’s a whole other discussion to be had about total ownership cost of SOC and soldered storage affects corporate decision making. That the 16 inch might have more ports is a small hopeful indication that Apple is starting to think outside of a narrow customer base. Same with the return of the Mac Pro tower and rumored mini tower. I am more hopeful based on recent rumors than at M1 introduction, but I was hopeful about OS X and the x86 transition too. It’s down to whether Apple wants to or not.
I think it is not quite fair to compare Dell Precision like laptops with any of the Apple laptop offerings. They are priced higher than average Mac laptop.
Apple reminds me of a Porsche - Porsche is not the fastest on quarter straight line drag, it doesn't have the most horsepowers, it doesn't have the most maximum speed, its' SUVs will be rivaled by any Wrangler or Toyota truck. BUT on average Porsche does the things like no one else: it is fastest on real race tracks due to handling, acceleration, braking and overall tuning. On top of that, this thing can be used as your daily driver. SUVs can go fast and also do some off-roading, while BMW could be faster but it is no offroader. Wrangler could be more offroader but it is not fast like Porsche SUVs.
Just don't expect miracle out of nowhere: M1 Mac's GPU is fast but only due to built-in encoders/decoders and all that extra stuff like faster ram, RISK and etc.
Apple is about making money. I highly doubt that they will offer something to please quadro T1000-T5000 owners, because they are minority.
A 16” MacBook Pro starts at $2399. A Lenovo Thinkpad P1 with T1000 starts at $1700. And a P1 is similar in size/weight, so I’m not picking a full fledged dedicated workstation. The MacBook Pro is supposed to be a work laptop and if Apple wants to charge that kind of money for the eventual laptop, the comparisons can be fairly made. However, my point in looking at the GPU was not to directly compare MacBook Air M1 graphics to the Quadros, but the difficulty in scaling the M1 for the 16” model to be competitive. Similar comparisons could be made with consumer or gaming laptops in that price range. The chip becomes very large as a system on a chip (SOC) if they scale up everything. My concern is that Apple will stick to SOC and sacrifice core count, GPU, and RAM.
And as I said, I am hopeful that AS means Apple could move into the workstation market. Even as recently as a few years ago if someone told me that they were running UNIX on a RISC processor I would have assumed it was a workstation. The two have gone together like that for decades.
They may use a chiplet approach for scaling up performance cores. Even Intel is going this route for the 12th generation chips.
I think that they are going to have to go off the SoC for graphics on something like the MBP 16. 2xM1 graphics would be okay for the 14 inch as the current standard is Intel Integrated and 2xM1 would give you about 2xIntel Integrated.
I generally don't do graphics-intensive work and my CPU needs would be more than met with 2xM1.
I'm... Considering it as I'm currently running memtest and trying to figure out a freezing problem on my mint 20 Linux box, a low end test box I built to see if I'd like Linux. I'm almost ready to dump it. Software is not there, I'm not Linux capable like I thought I was, I think the experiment has run it's course for a while.
There is my windows 10 box I'm about ready to crawl back to since it'll pretty much do what I want... And what it wants as well while it's peering at my doings when on.
It's got a few bugs, it's also annoying, reminding me daily there is a problem with my account (I think it's trying to sync the email address for the crappy MS account I shouldn't have set up, didn't know better at the time.
I need to change to a local account.
But I'm a bit curious about the new M1s, thought about one as a digital darkroom and perhaps general web browsing but not sure. Never really been a Mac user
There is my windows 10 box I'm about ready to crawl back to since it'll pretty much do what I want... And what it wants as well while it's peering at my doings when on.
It's got a few bugs, it's also annoying, reminding me daily there is a problem with my account (I think it's trying to sync the email address for the crappy MS account I shouldn't have set up, didn't know better at the time.
I need to change to a local account.
But I'm a bit curious about the new M1s, thought about one as a digital darkroom and perhaps general web browsing but not sure. Never really been a Mac user
I just offloaded my M1 Mac Mini on eBay for a good price. Not that I was not happy with it, as I have said a few times, it was great, really was, but I needed to see for myself.
But, I am pretty confident that way better things are just around the corner. New MBP 14" and 16", new iMacs and the potential for a Mac Pro Mini.
Whatever we see next it will have to be a pretty significant jump over the M1, especially when it comes to the 16" inch MBP and the iMacs if it is going to convince the users that want 'Pro' performance.
If the rumours are true at 12 or 16 CPU cores matched with the same GPU cores then that will be impressive and worth holding out for.
But, I am pretty confident that way better things are just around the corner. New MBP 14" and 16", new iMacs and the potential for a Mac Pro Mini.
Whatever we see next it will have to be a pretty significant jump over the M1, especially when it comes to the 16" inch MBP and the iMacs if it is going to convince the users that want 'Pro' performance.
If the rumours are true at 12 or 16 CPU cores matched with the same GPU cores then that will be impressive and worth holding out for.
No.
And not because of M1, but because of how goddamn inconvenient MacOS is. After using Windows for a while, you start noticing the millions of features missing - sleep schedules, snapping windows, window previews in the bottom bar, having "x" actually close a program instead of pretending to do it, built-in pause for copying files and so on.
And not because of M1, but because of how goddamn inconvenient MacOS is. After using Windows for a while, you start noticing the millions of features missing - sleep schedules, snapping windows, window previews in the bottom bar, having "x" actually close a program instead of pretending to do it, built-in pause for copying files and so on.
To be fair, I agree. When I went back to Windows it was initially a case of 'macOS was better at this task' but after a while, it was a case of either 'Windows does this better' or 'macOS does not even have this'.
Not knocking macOS, still prefer it overall in terms of UX/UI but it's not all bad on Windows.
In the end, we just have to stick with what fulfills the most of our requirements, whether it be Win or Mac.
Win10, Mac OS, Linux... They all do the same basic stuff. Just use what's best for your own needs.
I'm the lucky one. 99% of my workflow works on either of those 3 OS. I'm not using any apps that Linux for example doesn't have. I was rather happy on MacOS/OSX, now I'm happy linux camper.
Maybe I will change my OS in future as well. If so, I will again be happy.
Just use what works for you. OS debates are ok, but cheering for one OS over another is being childish.
I'm the lucky one. 99% of my workflow works on either of those 3 OS. I'm not using any apps that Linux for example doesn't have. I was rather happy on MacOS/OSX, now I'm happy linux camper.
Maybe I will change my OS in future as well. If so, I will again be happy.
Just use what works for you. OS debates are ok, but cheering for one OS over another is being childish.
Same exact thing can be said of MacOS, and Linux. As others have stated, use what you prefer. All operating systems have their positives and negatives. One OS is not inherently better then the other, but rather what meets your needs and preferences the best.
Nevermind, I'm an idiot
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I think you may have misread @Pangalactic 's post; they were referring to these features missing from macOS, not Windows.As for those specific missing features, hate to break it to you, but windows does have them: Want to schedule sleep, you can, snapping windows, you can. Previews in the taskbar, they're there. X closing windows, not even MacOS is consistent with that. Pausing file operations - yup its there
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LOL, I must have, I really thought he was saying windows was missing these - my bad
I'll go slink back into the corner and not saying else
Anyone who is putting a computer together, or anything....is not an idiot.LOL, I must have, I really thought he was saying windows was missing these - my bad
I'll go slink back into the corner and not saying else
i occasionally read things wrong and eat some feet, uaualy mine!
You're took kind, but even putting the computer together, I'm asking myself, "why did I do that?", LOL
I'm reconsidering the Mac platform - but as a Mac user contemplating leaving.
I'm not sold on the idea of a 100% proprietary built computer. It's also likely we will see less and less expandability and upgradeability with these machines. What you buy, is what you get.
So I've been doing research into custom builds. Ideally an AMD Ryzen 9 CPU and I'd stick with my RX580. macOS is easier to virtualize now so I can still get in if I need it - plus this opens up the world of PC gaming.
This is the analogy that runs in my head: Do I buy a 100% custom car (M1) that requires special repair and use that is blisteringly fast, or do I buy a car that isn't as fast but has parts at my local shop (custom build) that I can get anytime? This is where I'm at now.
I'm not sold on the idea of a 100% proprietary built computer. It's also likely we will see less and less expandability and upgradeability with these machines. What you buy, is what you get.
So I've been doing research into custom builds. Ideally an AMD Ryzen 9 CPU and I'd stick with my RX580. macOS is easier to virtualize now so I can still get in if I need it - plus this opens up the world of PC gaming.
This is the analogy that runs in my head: Do I buy a 100% custom car (M1) that requires special repair and use that is blisteringly fast, or do I buy a car that isn't as fast but has parts at my local shop (custom build) that I can get anytime? This is where I'm at now.
We will find out when M1X systems ship.
They've been bringing back a lot of user-requested features in terms of ports on the MacBooks.
Maybe they'll bring back user-expandability too.
I run a Mojave VM on my Windows 10700 System. It runs well though expect video artifacts. There is a way to integrate the video for much better video performance - it involves running QEMU-KVM and I'm not really sure how to go about doing that. It can be done on WSL 2 as well and I'd love to get that working but I looked at the directions and didn't bother trying.