You know you're a nerd when that all sounds exciting. 🤓
Then again, the simplicity and performance of an M1 Mac is enticing. But like you said, there are a lot of interesting rumors right now. Especially around a smaller Mac Pro.
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Has Apple Silicon made you reconsider the Mac platform?
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You know you're a nerd when that all sounds exciting. 🤓
Then again, the simplicity and performance of an M1 Mac is enticing. But like you said, there are a lot of interesting rumors right now. Especially around a smaller Mac Pro.
My 10700 system has 5 TB of storage and 64 GB of RAM and it's still quite expandable. It drives 3x4k displays as well and outperforms the M1 systems except for single-core performance. I do not like the 16 GB RAM limitation nor the 2 display (with the Mini) limitation. A lot of people on these forums bought an M1 (we have one too) to kick the tires but will be getting Pro systems when they come out.
I have thought about ordering parts for a small Windows or Linux system to try to get QEMU-KVM working. But I don't like to pay high prices for just playing around. The M1X might make all of this x86 stuff moot as well.
That last bit is what I'm worried about - spending $1000 or more on a x86 PC and Apple Silicon just takes off.
Minor nit. There are rumors that a future MacBook product will bring back some ports. Apple have not yet done anything like this in reality. Until then, it's just rumors. I worry that the community is once again setting themselves up for disappointment and frustration when the eventual product launch doesn't achieve all the grand concepts and plans which have been discussed on forums but have never actually been a product commitment from Apple.
Could happen. I hope it does. But let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I'm just waiting. Nothing to win, nothing to lose.
Apple does know the power of nostalgia.
You can run MacOS in WSL 2? I have to look that up, sounds wild
SnazzyLabs and Linus have a bunch of videos on YouTube that you should check out. It's pretty wild.
It is and it can handle video correctly which a lot of other approaches can't. But wait until you see the instructions for getting it to run. It looks like two days of work.
That's all nice and dandy, but your CPU is 65W, and at load goes to 125W. Not really comparable.
First gen M1 chips are like beta chips. That's why there are some strange and stupid limits, like only one external monitors for laptops, or only 16GB RAM. Apple will fix those soon enough.
I have a Ryzen setup. PopOS installed. I really don't need or want MacOS on my desktop.
But on mobile part, sure, in a few years when AS matures, maybe. But only if Apple doesn't lock down MacOS any further. I have no interest in locked down OS. At All.
What I'm saying is that the M1 doesn't meet my needs.
The Ryzen chips I wanted weren't available when I was looking - well, they weren't available at MSRP.
I have a pretty heavy duty cooling system so it runs fast, cool and quiet and that's what I wanted.
So Ryzen: not available. M1X: not available. Intel: available.
If Apple puts desktop i7 10700 performance in its next laptop, I am likely never leaving Mac then.
good news. 11.2 adds custom kernel support, this is how the M1 got Ubuntu running.
Lots of potentially interesting things coming. Shouldn't be too long before we see the new MBP 16 and the iMacs. That will show us with a lot more clarity where Apple is heading longer term. Then I will decide whether or not to put the Mac back into my tech bag.
This is the struggle for many I assume. M1 is great, but M1x / M2 will be fantastic.
Like I've said above - I'm weighing between selling my 4,1 and builing a Ryzen/Linux build / Selling it and going M1 / Keep it as a server and use my 12.9" iPad Pro.
The last option may be interesting. I can do most of my computing on my iPad Pro and with a processor upgrade (I'm 1/3 on delidding..) I'll be able to better virtualize and run docker. I'm thinking Plex and OwnCloud for storage purposes. And I'll have a desktop OS if needed.
Been there, done that and thinking about replacing my Macbook Air M1 with another Lenovo Yoga 6 which is on sale again for $550 (was $500 on Cyber Monday). Full x86-64 compatibility with AMD Ryzen 4650U for Windows/Linux/Hackintosh, excellent multi-day battery life, fanless for general use and only comes on under heavier loads, touch screen input, pen input with optional pen, fingerprint login, two USB-C and two USB-A ports, etc. Was going to upgrade to bigger SSD on current one for multi-boot but buying a second isn't much more for dedicated Linux/Hackintosh.
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Yep! I run BSD and Windows (for games) on my Ryzen powered desktop, but still enjoy my 2015 MBP for couch surfing and on the go use. The M1 is cool and all, but none of it matters if Apple locks down their OS. I'm kind of surprised (in a good way) they didn't do it for the switch to ARM. I still feel we're headed in that direction unfortunately, and once they do I'll be done with the Mac.
What have they locked down that you consider it locked down? Don't read this is attacking, I'm uninformed.
Oh, I might not have been clear - I don't consider it locked down yet. I'm just worried for the day they make macOS like iOS - where all apps need to come from the App Store. I don't care much about my phone or tablet since they're essentially media consumption devices, but on an actual computer I prefer to have more control.
Well, there are indications of what's on the horizon: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/01/15/m1-macs-sideloading-ios-apps-no-longer-possible/
It won't be for a while, but I think macOS will eventually switch to a full App Store model. I love this wording: "This application cannot be installed because the developer did not intend for it to run on this platform."
Uh, well, the developer didn't intend for me to run the Android version of Sky Go on Windows either, but neither Microsoft or Bluestacks care if I do...
Might be just a trick to calm down developers. In fact they reversed changes in the news on Jan 19, so now you can install ios apps.
The difference here is that apple is native developer of loading ios apps on laptop, while Bluestacks is a 3rd party.
The real difference is that Bluestacks doesn't have that much of a liability to offer you a seamless service.
I remember back in the days Bluestacks was lagging worse than Android Phones before Android 4.0.
Right now, my mobile banking works well on M1, i figured out that i can see transactions, but i can't change limits. While i can change limits using my iphone. If i were the majority of people, who buys these devices, i would run and ask my money back, write bad reviews about both M1 and my banking app. The truth is that it is not fully compatible (ios app under M1), so nobody wants to take liability on them.
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You also have CrossOver to run Win programs on M1, which is similar to your Bluestacks scenario.
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Agree with all your post. In ref to the above, it's good they reverted it...but why do it in the first place? This line in the MR article is the key point: "Apple this week implemented a server side blocking mechanism"
It's yet another example of Apple control creeping in, worryingly to the Mac platform. Even if they reversed it, there's nothing stopping them doing it again. Only techies are going to be messing around with side loading apps anyway, it's nothing the average person would even have a clue about, so why flick the kill switch?
I dunno. I think it just warrants pause for thought. iOS has always been a platform where you can only do what Apple deems fit and proper (good luck torrenting or using an alternative YouTube app, for example) and it seems like with the total control of the entire hardware stack on Apple Silicon, it's only a matter of time before macOS starts heading that way.
It is not. iOS is very different from macOS in that regard. Plus Apple stated on various occasions they do not plan „Appstore Only“ on the Mac.
So far I see no reason not to trust them. Plus locking macOS would not make sense at all
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It makes sense if you consider Apple's moves to be financially motivated. I definitely can see a day where apple will require apps to go through the app store, so they can get a cut of the action.
It makes no sense from a development perspective. It's Unix which has a completely different philsophy and macOS is use a lot as a development platform in a lot of companies. With a wide variety of development tools. The ability to write a program quickly and then try it out is part of the history of Unix.
Well... question is if a move like this would drive away customers. My guess would be: Hell, yes.
In other words: question is if the money earned in the App Store is going to outweigh the lost revenue due to lost customers.
Of course speculation: I don‘t think it will. And I assume Apple thinks the same, hence their comment on not intending to lock down macOS
Yet I linked to an example of Apple preventing users doing something on macOS for no logical reason. Why stop enthusiasts from sideloading apps they have legally bought/downloaded on a platform that now supports them?
How many, though? Apple may have already crunched the numbers and concluded the vast majority of their customer base wouldn't budge. After all, they didn't care about ending the ability to run x86 VMs and the customers lost as a result.