iPad Has lack of iPadOS innovation changed your future iPad buying decisions…

[mrLucas]

I’m saying much like the Mac is a completely unique experience in comparison to the iPhone, and the iPhone is a completely unique experience to the Watch, the iPad just isn’t that unique experience which personally I think it needs.

So you just want a novel experience for the heck of it. Not for usability but for fun.

Rather than just being an upscaled and more powerful iPhone it needs its own unique software which actually takes advantage of the hardware.

I don’t want the iPad to replace the Mac, much like I don’t want it to replace the iPhone, but I do want the software to take full advantage of the hardware that is housing it.

What are you talking about? Theres plenty of software that take advantage of iPad hardware? Let me list a few : Shapr3D, LumaFusion, Lightroom, Afinity Designer, Afinity Photo, The one and only Procreate, Cadmio, Nomad, BimX, Concepts, Photoshop, Illustrator, Cubase, SketchUp is comeing, and again the basic ones that you profit from the big screen like Pages, Keynote, Numbers, or ms versions Word, Excell, Powerpoint, theres stuff like iMovie, GarageBand, threres OmniFocus, OmniPlan, theres apps like Coursera or GoogleDrive, Nextcloud and so on, and than a few text editors and IDEs like Pythonista, Koder, stuff like iSH linux emulator, or iDOS, or Terminus or stuff like iDJing Mix and so on…

Do you even know what you are talking about? Half of theese apps are very powerfull and demanding software, half of them are pro apps that take advantage of the big screen.

 

[mrLucas]

Do you want more of them? Sure! I do to. More is always better. On a Mac too.
But to say iPad is just like a blown up iPhone and has no custom software for it - you must know nothing about iPads.

Do you even have one?

 

[NewUsername]

Back when iPhones had 3.5" screens and MacBooks were bulky devices with DVD drives, the iPad was a perfect new product category. But now, my iPhone has a decent screen size and my MacBook Air is super-portable.

Until last year, you could argue to buy a desktop Mac and an iPad instead of a desktop Mac and a MacBook, if you needed the power of a desktop machine and didn’t use your laptop that often. But since Apple Silicon, there is no real difference anymore between laptop and desktop performance, so you can just get a MacBook and use it in clamshell mode.

For sure, there are still usage cases in which an iPad would be a better device than either an iPhone or a MacBook Air. But for most people (myself included), there just seem to be too many better things to spend money on than an iPad.

 

[mrLucas]

Back when iPhones had 3.5" screens and MacBooks were bulky devices with DVD drives, the iPad was a perfect new product category. But now, my iPhone has a decent screen size and my MacBook Air is super-portable.

Until last year, you could argue to buy a desktop Mac and an iPad instead of a desktop Mac and a MacBook, if you needed the power of a desktop machine and didn’t use your laptop that often. But since Apple Silicon, there is no real difference anymore between laptop and desktop performance, so you can just get a MacBook and use it in clamshell mode.

For sure, there are still usage cases in which an iPad would be a better device than either an iPhone or a MacBook Air. But for most people (myself included), there just seem to be too many better things to spend money on than an iPad.

man your opinions are so clueless ? in fact im pretty sure you are a samsung shill. but to each his own. I’m happy you find your digital combo good for you, even thou you come off quite shallow in understanding the needs of people, and think youe needs match everyone elses needs, which, sorry to say - is not the case.

for more education read my upper post, you‘ll learn a thing or two about modern iPads! if you care about that sort of stuff and want to grow and expand your mindset offcourse. If you are happy not growing and expanding, againg fine have a nice day

 

[NewUsername]

man your opinions are so clueless ? in fact im pretty sure you are a samsung shill. but to each his own. I’m happy you find your digital combo good for you, even thou you come off quite shallow in understanding the needs of people, and think youe needs match everyone elses needs, which, sorry to say - is not the case.

for more education read my upper post, you‘ll learn a thing or two about modern iPads! if you care about that sort of stuff and want to grow and expand your mindset offcourse. If you are happy not growing and expanding, againg fine have a nice day

Ermm… I did have an iPad in the past and I used it a lot back then, but I sold it without replacing it because I used it so rarely. And I know a lot of people who did the same. As I said, I know it’s a great product for some usage cases and for some people, and it is actually priced very reasonably (especially to Apple standards).

Don’t know what Samsung has to do with all of that.

 

[yitwail]

I think a distinction that should be made in this discussion is between users who use apps that are optimized for the Apple Pencil, and those who don't. For the former, iPads are undoubtedly superior devices; for the latter, it's unclear that anyone with a smartphone and a laptop would benefit greatly from an iPad. This would be largely moot if Apple included a pencil with their Pro iPads, instead of or in addition to features like lidar and 2 camera lenses, which most people would seldom use with a tablet. Samsung & Lenovo include pens with their tablets, so why not Apple?

 

[sparksd]

I think a distinction that should be made in this discussion is between users who use apps that are optimized for the Apple Pencil, and those who don't. For the former, iPads are undoubtedly superior devices; for the latter, it's unclear that anyone with a smartphone and a laptop would benefit greatly from an iPad. This would be largely moot if Apple included a pencil with their Pro iPads, instead of or in addition to features like lidar and 2 camera lenses, which most people would seldom use with a tablet. Samsung & Lenovo include pens with their tablets, so why not Apple?

I rarely use my pencil and don't use the phone for too much due to the small screen. And sometimes I want a tablet form factor in lieu of my laptop so I feel I benefit greatly from my iPad.

 

[rui no onna]

I think a distinction that should be made in this discussion is between users who use apps that are optimized for the Apple Pencil, and those who don't. For the former, iPads are undoubtedly superior devices; for the latter, it's unclear that anyone with a smartphone and a laptop would benefit greatly from an iPad.

I rarely use the Pencil but I still prefer the iPad over the smartphone and laptop.

Smartphone displays are just too small for me.

As for the laptop, I've never been a fan of clamshells. I greatly prefer using a desktop setup for work.

For reading and web, to me the iPad just feels more natural to use than a laptop. It's almost appliance-like in its simplicity - no muss, no fuss.

 

[HaddockW]

I think a distinction that should be made in this discussion is between users who use apps that are optimized for the Apple Pencil, and those who don't. For the former, iPads are undoubtedly superior devices; for the latter, it's unclear that anyone with a smartphone and a laptop would benefit greatly from an iPad. This would be largely moot if Apple included a pencil with their Pro iPads, instead of or in addition to features like lidar and 2 camera lenses, which most people would seldom use with a tablet. Samsung & Lenovo include pens with their tablets, so why not Apple?

Lidar is a big selling point for me.

I got heavily involved in 3D printing last year. The fact I can scan an object, then use the Apple Pencil to fix/touch up the scan, then export a .STL file that I can put into my 3D printer is pretty amazing. You can scan with an iPhone, but you can't edit or create new 3D models. That is where the iPad shines for this use case.

And as far as penciles with Lenovo/Samsung. Those don't have pressure sensitivity. If the Apple Pencil is too pricey, there are many $20 alternatives on Amazon. Real pencils minus the pressure sensitivity which is where the price premium comes in.

 

[secretk]

I rarely use my pencil and don't use the phone for too much due to the small screen. And sometimes I want a tablet form factor in lieu of my laptop so I feel I benefit greatly from my iPad.

This is a good point. I personally do not use that much my phone either. My average screen time is around 30-40 minutes a day. I have increased screen time when I use my iPhone as a camera but this happens once a month or even less. For the most part I do not interact with the phone a lot. The screen is small for me for content consumption and I do not enjoy using on screen keyboard for texting.

At home I do use my laptop but when I travel or even go to a coffee shop I prefer to use my 11 inch iPad. It is more portable compared to the laptop, has big enough screen for me for reading or content consumption in general and I have hooked a hardware keyboard for texting and typing in general.

I rarely use the Pencil but I still prefer the iPad over the smartphone and laptop.

Smartphone displays are just too small for me.

As for the laptop, I've never been a fan of clamshells. I greatly prefer using a desktop setup for work.

For reading and web, to me the iPad just feels more natural to use than a laptop. It's almost appliance-like in its simplicity - no muss, no fuss.

Same about smartphones. Laptops - different. I enjoy my laptop a lot.

I do use the Pencil for reading though. I like to annotate and highlight stuff when I read though. And I have to say that I do use the iPad for listening to podcasts while falling asleep .

 

[ScanTheNavian]

Lidar is a big selling point for me.

I got heavily involved in 3D printing last year. The fact I can scan an object, then use the Apple Pencil to fix/touch up the scan, then export a .STL file that I can put into my 3D printer is pretty amazing. You can scan with an iPhone, but you can't edit or create new 3D models. That is where the iPad shines for this use case.

What app would you say is the best for scanning objects like that?

 

[adamlbiscuit]

For me, the iPad with Apple Pencil is the ultimate digital artist’s companion. It’s unmatched. I always used to use an iMac and a Wacom stylus for my digital art needs, but since the iPad Pro (and more specifically, the Apple Pencil) came along, that is my first choice. Unless that changes, the iPad will always be one of the most important parts of my workflow. I’m likely to always go with the Pro line as well given the massive benefits of ProMotion when you’re drawing.

 

[mrLucas]

For me, the iPad with Apple Pencil is the ultimate digital artist’s companion. It’s unmatched. I always used to use an iMac and a Wacom stylus for my digital art needs, but since the iPad Pro (and more specifically, the Apple Pencil) came along, that is my first choice. Unless that changes, the iPad will always be one of the most important parts of my workflow. I’m likely to always go with the Pro line as well given the massive benefits of ProMotion when you’re drawing.

Interesting you mention promotion being important for drawing. First time hearing it from you but makes perfect sence! When I bought my newest iPad, i was actually buying a Pen first, and iPad second ? hahah it was literally a Procreate device ?? What I am saying is Procreate sold the iPad to me. And the pen. iPad is the accessory to the pen, and iPadOS is just a container for procreate ?

haha but, even thou I am actually NOT joking at all - I bought a device JUST so I could use Apple Pen and Procreate. Truth is, iPad delivered multiple times for me. I use it as my main computer now, but that was never hte intention. Its actually a digital companion. Thats a good term to describe iPad. A perfect digital companion.

 

[capathy21]

Unfortunately the iPad just isn’t doing that right now and considering some of the iPad line up is more expensive than some MacBooks, it’s quite embarrassing.

Apple truly need to develop a completely unique OS which is developed specifically for the iPad line up (specifically the pro line up) because at the moment it using an OS for a phone with a few extra bells and whistles nothing more.

It’s all in what the user values. For me, my 12.9 IPP is far more valuable than my M1 MacBook Air. It accomplishes most of what I would use the Macbook for plus so much more. A better display, touchscreen, Apple Pencil, better speakers, etc. The Macbook feels dated and limited. It has one function, a laptop. The IPP has several functions. Laptop replacement, tablet, drawing device, entertainment device, etc. Outside of those who need specific software for work that is only available on a Mac or Windows machine, I will continue to push back on the idea that you cannot accomplish “real work” or most tasks on an iPad. It is a different workflow, many times accomplished easier than the task would be on a Mac. Again it’s all in what the user values. But the idea that, because an ipad resembles the os of an iPhone, it is somehow less than, or not enough for many is wrong. iOS is perfect for the vast majority of users. The limitations literally lie in the size of the iPhone display. It is the main limiting factor in accomplishing tasks. The ultimate dream is to have a phone than can morph into a larger computer when needed. For me, that is literally what the IPP 12.9 is. I would argue that the biggest appeal to the ipad is the iOS like interface.

 

[James Godfrey]

So you just want a novel experience for the heck of it. Not for usability but for fun.


What are you talking about? Theres plenty of software that take advantage of iPad hardware? Let me list a few : Shapr3D, LumaFusion, Lightroom, Afinity Designer, Afinity Photo, The one and only Procreate, Cadmio, Nomad, BimX, Concepts, Photoshop, Illustrator, Cubase, SketchUp is comeing, and again the basic ones that you profit from the big screen like Pages, Keynote, Numbers, or ms versions Word, Excell, Powerpoint, theres stuff like iMovie, GarageBand, threres OmniFocus, OmniPlan, theres apps like Coursera or GoogleDrive, Nextcloud and so on, and than a few text editors and IDEs like Pythonista, Koder, stuff like iSH linux emulator, or iDOS, or Terminus or stuff like iDJing Mix and so on…

Do you even know what you are talking about? Half of theese apps are very powerfull and demanding software, half of them are pro apps that take advantage of the big screen.

What I am talking about is that much like Apple developed unique software for the watch, the iPhone and the mac, the iPad is literally the black sheep which is still piggy backing off iOS (a PHONE OS).

All of the apps you mention will work perfectly fine on the iPad, iPad mini, Air and Pro. None of them require the power of the Pro iPad line which makes the higher end pros redundant, except maybe the 12.9” but at a $1099 price excluding accessories that is an extremely expensive tablet, especially when a MBA is only $999 with the M1.

 

[MBAir2010]

i woulds buys the news iPad if the Mojave ran that!
so
tis feeble person will continue applying thine artists skills and utilize the portability
that my career demands upon the 2017 G5 32GB iPad,
yes sireeee!

 

[mrLucas]

What I am talking about is that much like Apple developed unique software for the watch, the iPhone and the mac, the iPad is literally the black sheep which is still piggy backing off iOS (a PHONE OS).

All of the apps you mention will work perfectly fine on the iPad, iPad mini, Air and Pro. None of them require the power of the Pro iPad line which makes the higher end pros redundant, except maybe the 12.9” but at a $1099 price excluding accessories that is an extremely expensive tablet, especially when a MBA is only $999 with the M1.

you obviously dont know what you are talking about
the apps I listed are the most demanding apps on ANY device. they are demanding for a PC too. one of the apps is actually a rendering engine. Working with complex models, graphics, or layered drawings, photo edits, videos, or big raw files are the most taxing tasks for any PC of today - and - still by today - computers are underpowered to perform theese tasks. My AMD 3950x with 64Gigs of ram and a Nvme2 1TB disk is underpowered.

But you obviously have your ideas, far from reality…

 

[akash.nu]

Yes, this. There is no easy way to test how your app behaves in multitasking mode. So I as a Developer or QA would be frustrated. I would also be frustrated as Product Manager because what would happen is that DEV teams would reject 80 % of my feature ideas because of not enough RAM. Honestly such situation would not motivate me to write powerful apps.

Lol. You’re still in a much better situation compared to building for Android or even the connected devices such as Samsung and LG TVs.

 

[secretk]

Lol. You’re still in a much better situation compared to building for Android or even the connected devices such as Samsung and LG TVs.

For TVs indeed I have no experience. I would assume that it is not easy.

In terms of Android and RAM management well it depends. I personally have never had issues with RAM management on Android. I do suffer on iOS. Google and Apple follow different strategy when it comes to RAM management. Apple does not allow Developers to control the RAM management in relation to their apps (at least in the past), Google does. As a result as an end user you will see less often forced reloads on Android device than iOS. On Android you will feel general slowness and lag (more compared to iOS) but tabs and apps reload far less often compared to iOS.

Granted my experience is with Sony so this RAM management might vastly depend on the brand phone you have. It could be the case that Sony had different strategy compared to other brands for their custom ROMs.

Android devices also have more RAM and updates are for no more than 2-3 years. As a result the devices fragmentation in terms of RAM is less of a challenge for Android than iOS.

 

[akash.nu]

Android devices also have more RAM and updates are for no more than 2-3 years. As a result the devices fragmentation in terms of RAM is less of a challenge for Android than iOS.

This entirely depends on the project though. Like some still support Android 5.5 and above. Ask me, I’m cursed with having to deal with one of them right now! Nightmare is an understatement!

 

[secretk]

This entirely depends on the project though. Like some still support Android 5.5 and above. Ask me, I’m cursed with having to deal with one of them right now! Nightmare is an understatement!

Ah it must suck for you! How do you decide when you stop supporting certain Android version? Like can you potentially gather statistics on number of users per Android version and decide to drop certain one because of low usage? Or this is something you cannot afford?

 

[akash.nu]

Ah it must suck for you! How do you decide when you stop supporting certain Android version? Like can you potentially gather statistics on number of users per Android version and decide to drop certain one because of low usage? Or this is something you cannot afford?

Yep number of users is what we normally go with but the platform is global and in eastern and South American countries we still have users on super low versions of Android. Percentage wise it’s not much but when you convert that percentage into actual numbers it trembles the product team.

 

[secretk]

Yep number of users is what we normally go with but the platform is global and in eastern and South American countries we still have users on super low versions of Android. Percentage wise it’s not much but when you convert that percentage into actual numbers it trembles the product team.

I can see how it frustrates you but I can also understand how product team do not want to take the plunge. Maybe you guys need to provide them data on how much efforts (capacity) you spend on making it work for Android 5.5. You have to wonder if it is worth it if you spend a lot of time on maintenance and support around those older versions.

Interesting that there are enough people that use so low Android versions. I am honestly surprised. I thought that with Android devices being less supported than new ones, people upgrade more often and thus use newer versions.

 

[Abazigal]

I’m saying much like the Mac is a completely unique experience in comparison to the iPhone, and the iPhone is a completely unique experience to the Watch, the iPad just isn’t that unique experience which personally I think it needs.

Rather than just being an upscaled and more powerful iPhone it needs its own unique software which actually takes advantage of the hardware.

I don’t want the iPad to replace the Mac, much like I don’t want it to replace the iPhone, but I do want the software to take full advantage of the hardware that is housing it.

Unfortunately the iPad just isn’t doing that right now and considering some of the iPad line up is more expensive than some MacBooks, it’s quite embarrassing.

Apple truly need to develop a completely unique OS which is developed specifically for the iPad line up (specifically the pro line up) because at the moment it using an OS for a phone with a few extra bells and whistles nothing more.

I still feel that this issue is on the developers. I feel like this is what Catalyst is meant to address, but maybe it will take time before more developers hop on board and we see the benefits. If ever.

 

[James Godfrey]

you obviously dont know what you are talking about
the apps I listed are the most demanding apps on ANY device. they are demanding for a PC too. one of the apps is actually a rendering engine. Working with complex models, graphics, or layered drawings, photo edits, videos, or big raw files are the most taxing tasks for any PC of today - and - still by today - computers are underpowered to perform theese tasks. My AMD 3950x with 64Gigs of ram and a Nvme2 1TB disk is underpowered.

But you obviously have your ideas, far from reality…

Ok, genuinely interested, which of the apps you listed won’t work on an iPad Air? Or the $329 base line iPad?

Just wondering as the last I heard every iPad app in the App Store will work across all iPad devices… unless something has changed recently?