Other Has the throttling issue been blown out of proportion?

[apolloa]

Thanks HAL, right these are my results with my battery nearly flat, interesting thing is it is at 20% in the First screenshots then I restarted my phone before running Geekbench and it dropped down to 7% hmm

I’ll do the same again later on when my phones fully charged.

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Enough proof for you?

Here you go, so that’s proof I’ve provided to prove my battery’s health is over 80% yet iOS is heavily throttling it’s performance.
The same test results with the battery fully charged:

So yeap I’d say my phones performance is glitchy in some apps. My phone as I said is just over a year old, now if I took my phone to an Apple store up till 2 weeks ago and requested a new battery, even to pay for it, they would refuse me to do that!
Leaves a bitter taste in the mouth for sure...

 

[DNichter]

An apology doesn't just make everything suddenly okay. The fix is partial but to those who already spend hundreds of dollars they didn't need to, it's no use at all.

You're right Apple doesn't care about their consumers and is all too happy to screw them over though. Doesn't mean people have to accept that.

I’ve asked the same question over and over, yet no one can answer it. What else would you like them to do that they haven’t already? But yes, the quicker people can accept they made a business decision, the better.

 

[apolloa]

Wrong, you agreed for them to update the software, one of the items of the update was the change. They do not list individual items in the ULA. By agreeing to the update you take it all good or bad. Each feature or change is not taken or agreed to à la carte.

Actually I think you’ll find I’m right, otherwise they will consider you to of given them legal permission to do what ever they want literally, if they wanted to force your screen to shut off after 30 seconds despite if your using the device, tough you agreed to that....
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People evidently want them to go back in time and never have done it in the first place.

Well, apart from Apple being slapped down a peg or two over their arrogance in this, which I fully believe they will be.
I want the throttling either removed entirely or a choice given. The Apple battery replacement programme existed for faulty batteries turning off at 20%:

http://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

Also interesting how it can be that the battery metre needs calibrating and that Apple also advise iOS users to, upgrade to the latest iOS version to improve battery health.....

http://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/

http://discussions.apple.com/thread/5286126

So if they still have a design flaw I want it to be proven in court and then get a free battery replacement, actually I think I should be entitled to that anyway considering the deceit they’ve been portraying for the last year!

Hardly earth shattering what I want is it?

 

[joeblow7777]

I’ve asked the same question over and over, yet no one can answer it. What else would you like them to do that they haven’t already? But yes, the quicker people can accept they made a business decision, the better.

People evidently want them to go back in time and never have done it in the first place.

 

[MH01]

There is no throttling issue. Only used iPhones and old batteries.

And iOS 10.2.1

At least get the facts right. Apple has acknowledged it. How can people not understand this ?

 

[boltjames]

An apology doesn't just make everything suddenly okay. The fix is partial but to those who already spend hundreds of dollars they didn't need to, it's no use at all.

Apple shouldn't have even apologized as they didn't do anything wrong. They've been power managing iPhone's for 10 years. Was just a matter of time before the sophisticated features in the OS overwhelmed older processors running weakened batteries in cold weather conditions. Apple's mistake was attempting to keep old iPhone's as part of the new iOS updates. The lesson learned here is that old phones and old processors should stick with their old, original iOS versions and not advance further.

You're right Apple doesn't care about their consumers and is all too happy to screw them over though. Doesn't mean people have to accept that.

Some of us (raises hand) have never been "screwed over by Apple" (your words) at all. I could name a dozen examples of my kids cracking their iPhone's/Watches, ripping their leather cases, one dropped his iPhone in a pool, another put his iPhone through a clothes wash. In each example, Apple helped me when they didn't need to, when I was in warranty they didn't give me a hard time justifying the issues and when I was out of warranty they only charged me a tiny fee and waived the rest.

And what is never said and needs repeating is that Apple brought more innovation and enjoyable products to the world than any other company since Edison invented the lightbulb. The ability to innovate hinges upon the ability to make mistakes. So if for every 5 years of awesome they have a hiccup here or there, that's not only to be expected it is to be encouraged.

 

[MH01]

My SE was 330 cycles and only about a year old and it was being throttled, most of the time running at 600-900mhz. The minute I changed the battery it jumped to 1800-1848mhz and phone is far more responsive now. So in my experience you can now expect throttling to kick in easily within 1-2 years of your $800-1200 iPhone purchase which to me is unacceptable.

On a positive, you can change the battery on an SE a lot easier than an X. There is no way im giving Apple £1350 and have a throttled x in two years that will depreciate very very fast as people buying second hand know about the throttling now, and the phone will be running at 1/2 speed. This really sucks

 

[boltjames]

And iOS 10.2.1

At least get the facts right. Apple has acknowledged it. How can people not understand this ?

iPhone X, iPhone 8, and iPhone 8+ have no issues with throttling.

Those issues are experienced with iPhone 6 (2014), iPhone 6S (2015), and rarely iPhone 7 (2016) all with older processors that are not optimized for iOS 11, some not even optimized for iOS 10 or 9. Apple has never deliberately slowed older phones. They created new iOS versions optimized for new phones. The mistake was trying to keep owners of old phones with crappy batteries in the newest features. That will stop now. That's the price to be paid for the whining so that this type of bad PR doesn't happen again. Apple will cut them loose, will let the used old iPhone people have used old iOS's as well.

 

[joeblow7777]

On a positive, you can change the battery on an SE a lot easier than an X. There is no way im giving Apple £1350 and have a throttled x in two years that will depreciate very very fast as people buying second hand know about the throttling now, and the phone will be running at 1/2 speed. This really sucks

As I’ve said in another thread, I don’t think that this will affect the second hand iPhone market all that much. I don’t think that it’s generally very techy people who are going to be concerned about benchmarks and throttling buying used iPhones. And if anything, people now know that a simple battery replacement may make an old second hand iPhone perform like new.

 

[MH01]

iPhone X, iPhone 8, and iPhone 8+ have no issues with throttling.

Those issues are experienced with iPhone 6 (2014), iPhone 6S (2015), and rarely iPhone 7 (2016) all with older processors that are not optimized for iOS 11, some not even optimized for iOS 10 or 9.

Apple has stated the 8 onwards will get the throttling.

You also stated throttling does not exist, yes it does , a "feature" we will see on all iPhones as per apple's plans.

And all iPhone 7s running the latest iOS have throttling installed, when, not if.
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As I’ve said in another thread, I don’t think that this will affect the second hand iPhone market all that much. I don’t think that it’s generally very techy people who are going to be concerned about benchmarks and throttling buying used iPhones. And if anything, people now know that a simple battery replacement may make an old second hand iPhone perform like new.

That depends what happens in 2018, when Apple goes back to barging $79, which I don't mind, what I do mind, is them telling me that they get to choose if I want to change the battery, it's this part of the whole story that I have major issues and lost my trust with Apple

 

[QuarterSwede]

On a positive, you can change the battery on an SE a lot easier than an X. There is no way im giving Apple £1350 and have a throttled x in two years that will depreciate very very fast as people buying second hand know about the throttling now, and the phone will be running at 1/2 speed. This really sucks

Agreed. My 6 Plus gets throttled full on from 1.4Ghz (only gets as high as 1.1Ghz now though) to 867MHz. That's just unacceptable because iOS 11 can't run reliably at all at that speed. Basically, it makes everything take 10-20 seconds longer or just crash. I just can't believe they think this is ok for an older device.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Blimey is this still going on and on. Seems to be the same few posting over and over again. Despite all the media attention over the quiet news period during the holidays most ordinary people don’t seem to be bothered by this. Can’t say I experience it on our SE, 6+, 7, 7+, nor X. I guess we are super lucky

 

[MH01]

Agreed. My 6 Plus gets throttled full on from 1.4Ghz (only gets as high as 1.1Ghz now though) to 867MHz. That's just unacceptable because iOS 11 can't run reliably at all at that speed. Basically, it makes everything take 10-20 seconds longer or just crash. I just can't believe they think this is ok for an older device.

And let's me honest , when batteries die on devices , we replace them, that is the norm. This throttling crap just makes the users think the phone overall has become slow and needs updating . Imagine having a MacBook Pro run at 1/2 speed instead of knowing the battery is the issue and to replace it .

I don't trust Apple on this one, cause Cook is all about greed, and he is missing in all this ...it's pathetic , the iPhone counts for 70% of revenue, and Apple needs us to upgrade. What seals it for me is that Apple would not replace batteries that passed thier test, and thier test is BS! My 5S which a kind genius replaced, for a green light on apple's battery test and yet the replacement phone battery lasted 40% more.

 

[trifid]

iPhone X, iPhone 8, and iPhone 8+ have no issues with throttling.

iPhone X, 8, 8+ will have throttling in about 1 year, like Apple is throttling iPhone 7, see Macrumor's news article below:

"In a statement issued December 20, Apple said it "plans to add support for other products in the future," and by that definition, the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X could eventually be affected."

 

[DNichter]

iPhone X, 8, 8+ will have throttling in about 1 year, like Apple is throttling iPhone 7, see Macrumor's news article below:

"In a statement issued December 20, Apple said it "plans to add support for other products in the future," and by that definition, the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X could eventually be affected."

See, this is why I speak up. Very soon? There are plenty of 6, 6s, and 7 phones without any issues at all. Yes, if they have a faulty battery (any iPhone), it will be throttled if it is at risk for random shutdowns. I totally get people being upset with Apple, they should have been transparent about the issue, but the nonsense about every iPhone being throttled any day now should probably stop.

 

[joeblow7777]

iPhone X, 8, 8+ will have throttling in about 1 year, like Apple is throttling iPhone 7, see Macrumor's news article below:

"In a statement issued December 20, Apple said it "plans to add support for other products in the future," and by that definition, the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X could eventually be affected."

See, this is why I speak up. Very soon? There are plenty of 6, 6s, and 7 phones without any issues at all. Yes, if they have a faulty battery (any iPhone), it will be throttled if it is at risk for random shutdowns. I totally get people being upset with Apple, they should have been transparent about the issue, but the nonsense about every iPhone being throttled any day now should probably stop.

Yeah, I honestly didn't notice any impaired performance on my 6, which was running iOS 11. If it was being throttled, it certainly wasn't "crippled" or rendered "unusable" as others have described it.

 

[trifid]

See, this is why I speak up. Very soon? There are plenty of 6, 6s, and 7 phones without any issues at all. Yes, if they have a faulty battery (any iPhone), it will be throttled if it is at risk for random shutdowns. I totally get people being upset with Apple, they should have been transparent about the issue, but the nonsense about every iPhone being throttled any day now should probably stop.

You are incorrect, it's not if you have "a faulty battery", according to Apple "All rechargeable batteries are consumable components that become less effective as they chemically age." hence they will all be throttled per their support document. In real life, many are showing that throttling is being triggered even before Apple's genius bar tool says the battery is degraded. In my case it only took about 330 cycles and about a year of use.

Furthermore, it seems Apple does much more than just throttle CPU:

"In cases that require more extreme forms of this power management, the user may notice effects such as:

• Longer app launch times
• Lower frame rates while scrolling
• Backlight dimming (which can be overridden in Control Center)
• Lower speaker volume by up to -3dB
• Gradual frame rate reductions in some apps
• During the most extreme cases, the camera flash will be disabled as visible in the camera UI
• Apps refreshing in background may require reloading upon launch"

Full article here:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387

EDIT: I'm saving Apple's document for posterity, some of the stuff there is gold, I think lawyers are having a field day with it.

 

[DNichter]

You are incorrect, it's not if you have "a faulty battery", according to Apple "All rechargeable batteries are consumable components that become less effective as they chemically age." hence they will all be throttled per their support document. In real life, many are showing that throttling is being triggered even before Apple's genius bar tool says the battery is degraded. In my case it only took about 330 cycles and about a year of use.

Furthermore, it seems Apple does much more than just throttle CPU:

"In cases that require more extreme forms of this power management, the user may notice effects such as:

• Longer app launch times
• Lower frame rates while scrolling
• Backlight dimming (which can be overridden in Control Center)
• Lower speaker volume by up to -3dB
• Gradual frame rate reductions in some apps
• During the most extreme cases, the camera flash will be disabled as visible in the camera UI
• Apps refreshing in background may require reloading upon launch"

Full article here:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387

Great. This doesn’t happen to every phone. Many people are just fine and experience no throttling. That was the only point of the post. I’m not arguing that some get throttled due to whatever issue you want to research.

 

[Act3]

Great. This doesn’t happen to every phone. Many people are just fine and experience no throttling. That was the only point of the post. I’m not arguing that some get throttled due to whatever issue you want to research.

in due time every 6,6s and 7 series iPhone that has upgraded to iOS 10.2.1 or 11.2 ( for 7's) will be throttled, unless the battery gets replaced on a regular basis.

 

[revenent]

Don't see what the big deal is. I am still on an iphone 4 and an iPhone 6. I don't see anything noticeable in terms of performance. I can still game on it. I think it only affects people who run benchmarks on them for score sake.

 

[cbreze]

I’ve asked the same question over and over, yet no one can answer it. What else would you like them to do that they haven’t already? But yes, the quicker people can accept they made a business decision, the better.

Rewrite the code to give people an option would be a step in the right direction. I guess from what I read my iPhone 7 has been infected with this code when I chose to update to 11.2
Id prefer to decide for myself but I'm sure Apple knows best

 

[DNichter]

Rewrite the code to give people an option would be a step in the right direction. I guess from what I read my iPhone 7 has been infected with this code when I chose to update to 11.2
Id prefer to decide for myself but I'm sure Apple knows best

They said they would be providing an update to iOS to be more transparent about battery health. Unless you are saying you want the option to either have the phone randomly shut off or slow down a little?

 

[boltjames]

Apple has stated the 8 onwards will get the throttling.

You also stated throttling does not exist, yes it does , a "feature" we will see on all iPhones as per apple's plans.

And all iPhone 7s running the latest iOS have throttling installed, when, not if.

It's not "throttling". It's "power management" and it's been going on in iPhones since 2007.

Woo hoo someone using geekbench discovered it. It's not new news. Phones get old, batteries die out, iOS advances to maximize newer processors, and the end result is a slowed iPhone experience for prior gen models.

It's a miracle the truthers got $50 out of Apple and a relaxing of the rules around battery strength tests. They should count their blessings, get their discounted new OEM batteries, and move on.
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I have major issues and lost my trust with Apple

There's an Android with your name on it if your actions are as big as your rhetoric.
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Agreed. My 6 Plus gets throttled full on. Basically, it makes everything take 10-20 seconds longer or just crash. I just can't believe they think this is ok for an older device.

Your iPhone 6 Plus is over 2 years old which is the expected life at full-performance a) per the Apple warranty you accepted at purchase and b) the terms and conditions of iOS 11 for which you hit the 'agree' button.

I'm not sure what you're upset about. Especially since you're getting a no-questions-asked OEM battery for $29.
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iPhone X, 8, 8+ will have throttling in about 1 year, like Apple is throttling iPhone 7, see Macrumor's news article below:

"In a statement issued December 20, Apple said it "plans to add support for other products in the future," and by that definition, the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X could eventually be affected."

I expect my iPhone X to be affected as I enter Year 3.

It's why I'll buy a new battery or a new iPhone on that date.

 

[ftaok]

Don't see what the big deal is. I am still on an iphone 4 and an iPhone 6. I don't see anything noticeable in terms of performance. I can still game on it. I think it only affects people who run benchmarks on them for score sake.

This is awesome. Discount the experiences that other have because you are not experiencing them. Fantastic.

Why can't it be that some people are experiencing significant throttling and other aren't. If you aren't, great. No need for you to get a new battery. Others are truly having issues that can be (or have been) solved with a new battery.

Believe me, if this weren't a real problem, Apple wouldn't be doing the $29 battery replacement. They would demonstrate that the phones aren't throttled or slowed down at all.

 

[cbreze]

They said they would be providing an update to iOS to be more transparent about battery health. Unless you are saying you want the option to either have the phone randomly shut off or slow down a little?

Well none of my iPhones ever randomly shut off previously and thats the way Id like it to stay no matter the battery health, I think a battery that;'s down to 80% effectiveness should still be able to power my phone as usual. We'll see how the upcoming update plays out.