By the same anecdotal measure I deal with dozens of people who are iPhone users and only some even know what jailbreaking is, and out of those none have been jailbreaking for some time now after they did it years back.
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Can you cite a source for this claim? I have rarely (if ever) heard a jailbreaker claim that they wanted to overclock their phone's CPU. What a lot of people do (including myself) is kill the animations, which isn't a drain on anything. Have you jailbroken an iPhone before?
You're just spreading FUD now.
And now we are no longer talking about the actual topic of the thread. It's clever how that kind of repetstive off-the-wall deflections work to change the subject.
The phones affected that I refer to would be iPhone 6's which were launched in 2014, when jailbreaking was still a thing.
Like the people you work with, I don't know anyone who jailbreaks either but it seems most (all) of the people complaining about the throttle have jailbroken their iPhone 6's, likely overclocked them as well. Coincidence? Perhaps. Or, perhaps not.
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My question was not directed at you. You don't even own an iPhone. You own an Android Hawaii Galaxy whatever.
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Disagree. We're on topic. "Has the throttling issue been blown out of proportion"? Yes. And we also explore who is complaining the most and what configuration their phones are and we get a sense that it's not the average iPhone buyer here. Based on the past three weeks of reading, first and foremost it's people with out-of-warranty iPhones, who know what Geekbench is, run an app to study their processor speed, and have batteries dying prematurely. Hmm. Curious. Interesting. That seems to fit the profile of the same type of person who liked to hack their iPhone's back in 2014 when their handsets were new.
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Having followed many long threads about it all I can't say that I've seen something of that sort. And this is among a community such as this one that would have a more significant percentage (although still a fairly small one) or people who at least even know what jailbreaking is (let alone do it), compared to the vast majority of typical users.
A lot of assumptions there, and fairly loose ones at that, which, even if they happen to coincidentally apply to some degre, might at best apply to an insignificant portion of a tiny group of affected users.
Precisely. And I'm a power user always in new iPhone's who likes as much processing horsepower as I can get but there are situations where it's late in the day and I'm down to 20% battery and the priorities shift from processing strength to just staying alive.
And all the iOS protocol is saying is, hmm, it's better to lower processor performance in this old iPhone with this old battery instead of letting the thing die here on this 20 degree winter day.
It's a good thing Apple is doing for its consumers, not a bad thing.
No, a good thing would be allowing control and giving that control to the user who knows what he wants and when much better than Cupertino. Doing what they are doing is wrong.
I agree completely.
In fact, it would be just like watching "It's A Wonderful Life". You know, the Christmas movie where George Bailey gets to see what his life would be like if he didn't exist. Let Apple allow people with old iPhone's running used up batteries on expired warranties see what life would be like without the throttle protocol. Spoiler: The iPhone's die at 2PM and can't be turned back on until they are plugged in for 10 minutes and then an hour later the same thing happens again.
"Get me back, Clarence. Get me back. I want to live again. I want to live again..."
and then they have a choice again, carry an external battery or have the existing one replaced.
So simple, isn't it?
I own 3 BMW's. One of them is 3 generations old, it's an E46 that my 18 year old drives. In last 2 years we have owned the car we have done the following:
Cooling system rebuilt
Radiator replaced
Starter replaced
Shock absorbers replaced
All season tires replaced
Rear spoiler reconditioned
Headlamp lenses reconditioned
Assorted hoses and wires replaced
Air Conditioner coolant replaced
There are millions of owners of this particular BMW and not a single one is complaining about the ~$4,000 in repair bills we've been hit with, there is no outrage, there are no class action lawsuits against the manufacturer.
Why?
It's an old car, that's why. It had a 3 year warranty when it was new, it's now 3 generations old and BMW has zero obligation to us other than safety recalls. All other repairs needed on the hardware or replacements needed for the consumables are expected to come from the pockets of its owners.
Mobile phones, same thing. Who said Apple has to stand behind its products beyond the warranty date? Who says Apple needs to maintain the same level of processor performance in 2018 on a phone designed in 2014? Those who hold onto old cars, old watches, old skis, old power tools...you name it...they run the risk that their old item will require repairs. iPhone, no different. No one is entitled to anything other than safety recalls on an old consumer electronic product out of warranty. Apple needs to wake up and enforce the rules.
Just the act of buying an iPhone means you are saying "I would rather have a more closed system that is carefully curated by Apple and I trust them to make the right choices to give me the best user experience". Which is exactly what they did here. They are preventing sudden phone shutdowns arising from excessive battery voltage drop when a battery is significantly degraded.
But now people are complaining. And suing. Apple can do no right. That's how it is, and how it will always be.
Frustrating and stupid.
But now people are complaining. And suing. Apple can do no right. That's how it is, and how it will always be.
Frustrating and stupid.
Exactly! You have a choice.
Simultaneously, you can expect Apple to remove that choice prematurely (well, you couldn't expect that because Apple never told you).
At that point (well not really yet) you'll need a new battery but you won't know it. Your phone will just seem sluggish.
There will be a new phone calling your name and you get it, not knowing you were duped. Why spend money on a battery for a slow phone (it's not that slow, just throttled).
Then Apple gets caught and you realize you may have been perfectly happy with your last phone (if you're a prudent buyer like me).
Repeat cycle (not really, now that the cat is out of the bag).
Apple's cash reserve approaches 1 trillion dollars (because the masses like being duped and say it's good for you).
Prove it. Please prove to everyone how all of the people who have complained, whether here or in all of social media combined, are jailbreakers. You're using overly broad generalizations about people who are interested in performance of their phones to infer that they must be jailbreakers and thus are deserving of having their phones crippled by apple. Every single 6, 6s, and 7 out there running that ios has been been slowed down per Apple's own admission. Not just jailbreakers. Jailbreaking makes up such a small percentage of overall iphone ownership. Even in the hayday of jailbreaking, it was nowhere near a significant percentage of iphone owners.
By that same token, I'd say that you must be a car modder. You were interested in your E46 performing in a fashion close to when it first rolled off the assembly line. You have replaced parts in excess of $4000 just to get back to a sense of performance and reliability close to what it was. Obviously since you did that, and since there are millions of people who modify their cars (mostly above and beyond what the warranty and manufacturer cover), you fit into that category. See how easy that is?
He's definitely a car modder. I've never modded a car, but I know one when I see one. They're all over the place.
So, please explain, why do Apple have a free replacement programme then for the 6S where they claim ‘faulty batteries’ are causing it to shutdown?
http://www.apple.com/uk/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/
Because on the one hand it’s a fault with the battery, and on the other it’s an accepted feature that Apple has so kindly ‘fixed’ by crippling your iPhones performance, according to you.
Apples faulty battery anknowledgement if anything adds more reason for them to be sued and find very heavily.
If your phone is shutting off at 20% it’s a fault as Apple accepted originally, because I have never had a device do that ever across the many devices I’ve owned including Apple ones, hell my 2010 MacBook Pro has its original battery that doesn’t last long and it STILL gets to ‘0%’ before shutting down! Not 20 or 30.
Apple has not "slowed" anything. Apple is doing two things:
1. Power Managing. Just as it's done successfully for 10 years with no one complaining.
2. Shutdown Protecting. Something new. Why? Because people are holding onto their old phones for longer periods and Apple decided that a protocol was needed to preserve battery and avoid shutting down completely.
As for Jailbreaking, even if it's as small as 1% of all iPhone's in existence that's 10 MILLION iPhone's that have been jailbroken. To put that in perspective, that is more Jailbroken iPhone owners than the Dallas Cowboys can fill in their football stadium for 8 games a year for 15 years.
So, yeah, I can see that a disproportionate amount of Jailbreakers are voicing displeasure and, yeah, I can see how only enthusiasts Jailbreak, and yes, I can see how this is an enthusiasts forum.
Clear?
And yet this has not been shown to be the case, or anywhere close to it.
Wait. You think that if you took 100 people from MR and then took 100 people at your local Walmart there would be the same amount of iPhone jailbreakers in both populations?
It's been mentioned in news articles and it was addressed by Apple themselves. Jailbreaking is a no-no. I get that not many people do it anymore, but they did in 2014 when the iPhone 6 was first released and perhaps those hens are now coming home to roost.
And none of that shows anything about what this thread is about being related to any of that, at least certainly not in any substantial/meaningful way.
This thread is still going on I see, and BJ is still cheerleading for Apple. How many jailbroken phones are we talking about? Out of millions of iPhones, the ever growing lawsuits, and it all comes down to a few jailbroken phones is the problem? Please give it a break.
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1. Has their previous power management efforts been known to slow their products? Was the public ever informed?
2. Where did you get this information? Is this you opinion or Apples official stance? Oh wait they are one in the same, never mind. I still don't believe it. Id like to wait for the lawsuits to have their day in court so we can actually learn the truth. Forum speculation and opinions are usually not very accurate.
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1. Has their previous power management efforts been known to slow their products? Was the public ever informed?
2. Where did you get this information? Is this you opinion or Apples official stance? Oh wait they are one in the same, never mind. I still don't believe it. Id like to wait for the lawsuits to have their day in court so we can actually learn the truth. Forum speculation and opinions are usually not very accurate.
No, actually, jailbroken phones aren't more than a small part of the issue. In fact, I don't even think there is an issue outside of a tiny subset of iPhone owners who have old hardware and never replaced their tired batteries 2 or 3 years past their warrantied lifespan and who allowed themselves to get all raged because some high school student found a few lines of code.
What's interesting is this phony outrage around "performance". Like "speed" is somehow paramount now. Some horsepower war like in notebooks in the 90's, like smartphones aren't all about battery life and just making it through the day in an efficient manner.
Snapchat will throttle an iPhone more than any power management tweak that Apple instituted but I don't see anyone going after them. Since when did a few numbers on a geek benchmarking app become the defacto happiness metric and thus causing this faux outrage?
I'm getting the feeling that a jailbreaker once stole his lunch money.