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Apple_Robert

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Did the hill repeats and trail running on the weekends and it's made such a huge difference in my performace. Summited my 2nd 14er this summer. Felt stronger and more coordinated. Plan to continue trail running on the weekends, lets me cover more ground in a shorter period of time vs. hiking. Thanks for the advice
Thanks for posting a follow-up. It is great to read that the hill repeats and trail running has made a huge difference for you. Great job.
 
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There's lovely mountain trails to be used. Of course, you have to be careful with some unless you enjoy tumbling down a mountainside. Going with SBG's lead from many months ago, I've been reading reviews on ellipticals. I've narrowed it down to three brands; Sole, Proform and a brand called Octane Fitness. All three are incredibly pricey for an elliptical but they come with high reviews and incredible warranties. I simply need to test them out somehow before committing.

Though I may simply buy a rowing machine and use that instead. It would weigh less, be less of a pain to get it into the house and move it to my office. That and I won't feel like an old fogey worrying about his joints.
 
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Huntn

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There's lovely mountain trails to be used. Of course, you have to be careful with some unless you enjoy tumbling down a mountainside. Going with SBG's lead from many months ago, I've been reading reviews on ellipticals. I've narrowed it down to three brands; Sole, Proform and a brand called Octane Fitness. All three are incredibly pricey for an elliptical but they come with high reviews and incredible warranties. I simply need to test them out somehow before committing.

Though I may simply buy a rowing machine and use that instead. It would weigh less, be less of a pain to get it into the house and move it to my office. That and I won't feel like an old fogey worrying about his joints.

Over the decades, I've had a Nordic Track, treadmill, and elipitical. I've used rowers often, and think those may be hard on your back. If you like them, Nordic Track style machines are good, elipiticals are great from the impact standpoint. Treadmills have lesser impact then concrete, but my vote is for elliptical. Can a good elipitical be found for under a $800?
 

D.T.

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Trailing running is a win, win situation, good exercise and great scenery.

Yeah, hit a couple of great trails with a buddy of mine when I was in SF, it's a totally different running experience.
[doublepost=1474730105][/doublepost]Hahaha, got wrecked at Cross Fit yesterday, so good, went a little long, lots of squats (and sprints/burpees/pushups/you-name-it). I don't really post in here much, but that's our standard Friday morning workout. Apple Watch reported 670 calories using 'Other', no idea about the accuracy, but I can tell you it was physically pretty challenging :D
 

Apple_Robert

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Did an 18 mile run along the river, an easy run very little hills. Temperatures in the 50s. A lot of fishermen fishing for fall Chinook.
Way to go, James. Nothing like the long run to top off the day.

I go in a 24 mile run this morning with very little hills as well. Met some very nice people along the way, who were interested in my running.
 

Badagri

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Though I did take it further and bought new scales to get more readings what is going on.

Body Weight 179.0lbs other scales were .2 out. 2nd target is 168lbs.
Body Water 61.6%
Body Fat 15.8%
BMI 26.5
BMR(KCAL) 2178.0kcal
Muscle Mass 126.2lbs
Bone Mass 6.0lbs
Visceral Fat 11

I need to get my visceral fat down to 9 or below. I'm in the slightly high 10 - 14 bracket.

Slowly getting there. Lost 10lbs within the last 4 weeks.

Weight 175.2lbs
Body Water 62.4%
Body Fat 14.7%
BMI 26.0
BMR(KCAL) 2174.0kcal
Muscle Mass 124.2lbs (Sadly lost 2lbs of muscle.) :/
Bone Mass 6.0lbs
Visceral Fat 10 (Nearly in the safe zone 9.)
 
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JamesMike

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Slowly getting there. Lost 10lbs within the last 4 weeks.

Weight 175.2lbs
Body Water 62.4%
Body Fat 14.7%
BMI 26.0
BMR(KCAL) 2174.0kcal
Muscle Mass 124.2lbs (Sadly lost 2lbs of muscle.) :/
Bone Mass 6.0lbs
Visceral Fat 10 (Nearly in the safe zone 9.)

Keep up the good work.
 

Apple_Robert

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Ran 15 miles yesterday and today. Both runs were negative split sessions. On mile 15 today, I set a new PR (personal record) for the mile (6:31). I am really proud of myself. I have been working really hard and it is starting to show. If it had been a lot cooler, (instead of 86) I think I could have done even better time wise.
 
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Ran 15 miles yesterday and today. Both runs were negative split sessions. On mile 15 today, I set a new PR (personal record) for the mile (6:31). I am really proud of myself. I have been working really hard and it is starting to show. If it had been a lot cooler, (instead of 86) I think I could have done even better time wise.

Are you getting to doing your ultra?
 

AppleDApp

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Thanks! Now down to 168.8lbs/76.5kg today. Next and final target 154lbs.

First target was 182lbs, second 168lbs, final 154lbs. Will always be working out once I achieve the final.

Started 235lbs July 2015. 183lbs August 31 2016, 168.8lbs November 13 2016.


Was originally 40"/38" jeans in past years now down to 32" jeans.
How tall are you?
 

A.Goldberg

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I'm currently eating pretty healthy, that's never been an issue. Swimming avg 3200 yards per day, 4-5 days a week. Last week I $@&!'ed my knee up pretty good after two brawling patients fell ontop of me. I think I'm 85% recovered from that injury.

I wish I had taken my bike out a bit more this summer- it was just so god awful hot here. Spring and Fall don't really exist here in New England anymore. It's almost like you jump from Summer straight to Winter back to Summer.

What I do need to work on is SLEEP. A lack of sleep is clearly not healthy. I've never been a good sleeper, even as a small child, (at best 5-6hrs). Thankfully I'm usually not very tired throughout the day. Last night I slept 3hrs. Tonight I went to sleep and woke up fully rested 1.5hrs later.

Daylight savings time always throws off my circadian rhythm way more than you'd think it could. So that doesn't help either.
 
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ardchoille50

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It is 45 degrees F and raining here in Seattle.. I just finished a 3 mile run. I feel so good! I don't know what causes this post-run "high", but I like it :)
 
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A.Goldberg

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There's the feeling of accomplishment and there's the chemicals - endorphins and endocannabanoids. Saw this article awhile back in Runner's World: http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/how-to-achieve-a-runners-high

I've been seeing similar articles around for a little while now. Without getting too technical I think the idea of the "runners high" is very over simplified. Honesty it almost seems to be an attempt of conflating smoking pot with a natural runners high. There's no question endocanibinoids have an important role in our bodies- but how this information is presented annoys me.

First off, seems these articles also conflate the pharmakokinetics of THC with endogenous cannibinoids. THC does not naturally exist in the body and manifests itself quite differently. The effect of a ligand on a Receptor not only involved the class of molecule- but the selectivity, binding affinity, half life, etc. Location of receptors in different parts of the body and brain also have completely different functions.

The thing the article has against endorphins are that they are not lipid solvable and therefore cannot cross the blood brain barrier. That does not take into account that endorphins are also created within the central nervous system.

Another gripe I have with this theory is that people who exercise a lot tend to have better working memory than people who do not. It is well known activation of the endocanibinoid system impairs memory formation and is even hypothesized to be a factor in memory extinction. We also know that canibinoid stimulation usually mellows people out, that doesn't exactly fit with people continuing to want to run. Endogenous endorphins (both peripherally and centerally) also explain analgesia while under intense exercise better than cannibinoids for the type of pains we're generally talking about.

The current medical consensus is a combination of multiple endogenous euphorsnts, which probably at some level includes endocanibinoids, but also endorphins and phenylethylamine (amphetamine-like substance). I would presume the ultimate effect is caused by a surge in dopamine in the NAc of the hypothalmus creating euphoria and reinforcing the activity of running (many people do feel to some degree "addicted" to running).

Yes Marijuana/THC is fun and exciting but it's not the explanatory basis for everything in medicine. The human body, especially the brain is incredibly complex. The same substance in different places can have opposing effects. Everything is connected in opposing feedback loops. Affecting 1 thing can change 10 others.
 

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I've been seeing similar articles around for a little while now. Without getting too technical I think the idea of the "runners high" is very over simplified. Honesty it almost seems to be an attempt of conflating smoking pot with a natural runners high. There's no question endocanibinoids have an important role in our bodies- but how this information is presented annoys me.

First off, seems these articles also conflate the pharmakokinetics of THC with endogenous cannibinoids. THC does not naturally exist in the body and manifests itself quite differently. The effect of a ligand on a Receptor not only involved the class of molecule- but the selectivity, binding affinity, half life, etc. Location of receptors in different parts of the body and brain also have completely different functions.

The thing the article has against endorphins are that they are not lipid solvable and therefore cannot cross the blood brain barrier. That does not take into account that endorphins are also created within the central nervous system.

Another gripe I have with this theory is that people who exercise a lot tend to have better working memory than people who do not. It is well known activation of the endocanibinoid system impairs memory formation and is even hypothesized to be a factor in memory extinction. We also know that canibinoid stimulation usually mellows people out, that doesn't exactly fit with people continuing to want to run. Endogenous endorphins (both peripherally and centerally) also explain analgesia while under intense exercise better than cannibinoids for the type of pains we're generally talking about.

The current medical consensus is a combination of multiple endogenous euphorsnts, which probably at some level includes endocanibinoids, but also endorphins and phenylethylamine (amphetamine-like substance). I would presume the ultimate effect is caused by a surge in dopamine in the NAc of the hypothalmus creating euphoria and reinforcing the activity of running (many people do feel to some degree "addicted" to running).

Yes Marijuana/THC is fun and exciting but it's not the explanatory basis for everything in medicine. The human body, especially the brain is incredibly complex. The same substance in different places can have opposing effects. Everything is connected in opposing feedback loops. Affecting 1 thing can change 10 others.
Your knowledge about the subject dwarfs my own by big bunches. I can see now (on my layman's level) how you'd think the article (and the many others that echo it) is intellectually irresponsible with its reference to, and equation of, Marijuana's effects to the "runner's high". These type of articles are necessarily written in a simplistic way as an act of consideration for their audience. But, simplistic doesn't have to be equal to trivializing the subject matter. Your input is appreciated.

For analysis purposes, a distinction must be made between phytocannabanoids (PCs) and endocannabanoids (ECs) as to discovering whatever possible role cannabanoids (Cs) may have on producing the "runner's high". ECs, as you point out, are part of a complex whole we don't fully understand.

Regarding memory -- Are ECs THE faulting system for memory loss or are their beneficial effects being hindered by an overabundance of A-beta which is affecting pyramidal cells? Article. Paper. Again, the distinction between PCs and ECs is important to note. This isn't an invitation to use in-the-wild PCs as an attempt to ameliorate the effects of Alzheimer's. It's thought that such an attempt would be a failing one because of their non-discriminatory pathways, and because they would likely promote a tolerance response, which could in turn inhibit ECs' beneficial actions. Could be other reasons, as well.

As to your -- "Without getting too technical". Thank goodness you didn't. My head nearly exploded trying to have a bit of understanding of the not too technical that followed, haha. Just kidding. Thanks. I welcome any additions and corrections you might have.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. :)
 

xthine

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Going to feast on Thanksgiving brunch buffet tomorow! Fuel for strenuous hike Black Friday and usual trail running. Happy Thanksgivng everyone :)
 

Badagri

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Eating healthy and exercise maybe ignored for this week. :p

Aye, "cheat meals" will take on a whole new meaning over the coming weeks ;)

What I was amazed from last Christmas/New Year I lost weight. Going to see if I can do it again and will keep working out during the holiday break.

I always eat lots of organic apples and lots of bannanas when feeling something sweet or peckish. Kills it stone dead.

 
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