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obeygiant

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That follows. You cannot accept being corrected by someone who has the proper training so you fall back to the only defense that your mind will allow you to support. Along with medicine, I feel you could benefit from the study of psychology.

And you would benefit from charm school. Aren't you neglecting your patients being here chatting and trying to be right in an exercise thread?
 

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You are welcome. If you have any questions about Altra shoes or running equipment etc., I will be glad to help any way I can.

6pm.com is another good shoe site that has good prices a lot of the time.

I really like the Paradigm 2.0. I can run 30+ miles in them, and my feet still feel relatively fresh. Altra Torin is also a good model for road running.
6pm.com is quite nice, they also carry sports clothing - I have been looking to buy cold weather running clothes so I can continue running in rain and snow here is Seattle. Thanks!
 
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Just bought two pair of Saucony Kinvara 7 running shoes, after trying them on and running around the store. These shoes feel like they were actually built around my feet! I've never spent more than $30 on a pair of shoes before but I'll be looking at shoe performance instead of cost from now on.
 
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Dick measuring contest aside, foam rolling is for myofascial release. It's a form of giving yourself a deep tissue massage, and yes, I'm painfully aware of how sexual this sounds when it's not remotely sexual. There's simply no words to describe it. I've never heard nor read claims of foam rolling being able to change the direction of muscle fibers or change their shape and or length.

I took it up on the recommendation from my GP, who went to Stanford if we want to continue this silly contest which I'm not a part of, thankfully. I'm not going to say I'm an old fogey, because I'm not, but it's certainly helped with what typical strain I experienced before doing it. It took several weeks before I noticed its impact. Strain you, as a man, would experience once you've passed your mid late thirties and aren't as limber.

It's done great things for my back. Also works great if you pull your back. A combination of tightness, heat and rolling alleviate a pulled back faster than sitting in bed or on the couch. GP recommending something called a rumble roller, but I don't fancy the look of them or the perceived pain-pleasure capability of them, akin to a human tenderizer.
 
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Foam rolling? I always remember this on shopping channels through the nights. It always looked cheesy.
 

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For you runners out there, are gel inserts worth buying? I tried one in a store yesterday, and it felt quite nice, but I'm not sure how long it would stand up to the beating that daily running would give it.
 

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Dick measuring contest aside, foam rolling is for myofascial release. It's a form of giving yourself a deep tissue massage, and yes, I'm painfully aware of how sexual this sounds when it's not remotely sexual. There's simply no words to describe it. I've never heard nor read claims of foam rolling being able to change the direction of muscle fibers or change their shape and or length.

I took it up on the recommendation from my GP, who went to Stanford if we want to continue this silly contest which I'm not a part of, thankfully. I'm not going to say I'm an old fogey, because I'm not, but it's certainly helped with what typical strain I experienced before doing it. It took several weeks before I noticed its impact. Strain you, as a man, would experience once you've passed your mid late thirties and aren't as limber.

It's done great things for my back. Also works great if you pull your back. A combination of tightness, heat and rolling alleviate a pulled back faster than sitting in bed or on the couch. GP recommending something called a rumble roller, but I don't fancy the look of them or the perceived pain-pleasure capability of them, akin to a human tenderizer.
This brings to mind the since passed, Bonnie Prudden, and her eventual development of Myotherapy.

This involves applying pressure to muscular trigger points both to alleviate pain and to improve mobility, so as to improve fitness. The concentrated pressure can be self-applied, with the assistance of a family member or by a practiced therapist. The application of the pressure does cause pain. How much depends upon how much the 'patient' can withstand. The tools of the trade include elbows, thumbs and some items for self-application that can be bought. It isn't necessary to buy the items; someone can use items commonly available or make what they need.

Ms. Prudden wrote a number of books on the subject. She's made life livable for many who experience chronic pain.
 
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obeygiant

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Dick measuring contest aside, foam rolling is for myofascial release. It's a form of giving yourself a deep tissue massage, and yes, I'm painfully aware of how sexual this sounds when it's not remotely sexual. There's simply no words to describe it. I've never heard nor read claims of foam rolling being able to change the direction of muscle fibers or change their shape and or length.

I took it up on the recommendation from my GP, who went to Stanford if we want to continue this silly contest which I'm not a part of, thankfully. I'm not going to say I'm an old fogey, because I'm not, but it's certainly helped with what typical strain I experienced before doing it. It took several weeks before I noticed its impact. Strain you, as a man, would experience once you've passed your mid late thirties and aren't as limber.

It's done great things for my back. Also works great if you pull your back. A combination of tightness, heat and rolling alleviate a pulled back faster than sitting in bed or on the couch. GP recommending something called a rumble roller, but I don't fancy the look of them or the perceived pain-pleasure capability of them, akin to a human tenderizer.

I certainly agree that it helps. I use one almost everyday before I run on my calves and quads. And it's a whole lot better than some stranger on the internet telling you its just placebo.
 
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I recently bought a running belt at Dick's Sporting Goods, it's from a company called Nathan. I was a little skeptical that this belt could keep everything in place during a run so I tried it today.

I love this thing! It's the perfect replacement for my old fanny pack and it does indeed keep everything in place while running - I had a wallet, keys and iPhone 6s and nothing moved during my 4 mile run today.

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Fanny pack, hah. That got a chuckle from me. I've seen something similar but as an across the chest strap, which makes more sense to me.
 
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Swimming Report- As someone who is 63 years young (actually, I have a hard time digesting, or accepting this fact), I've been swimming 50 laps, 3 times a week for 10 months. I can't say it's transformed me, but it has made me healthier. I've not lost much weight, about 8 pounds, I'm still overweight at about 210lbs, but I'm in better physical shape, my cholesterol is down, and swimming allows me to get a vigorous workout without hurting myself. It really is amazing. Yesterday, I brought the Christmas tree down from the attic and immediately my back was hurting. I can't lift weight like I used to but I can still swim. If not for swimming I doubt I'd have the discipline, or possibly even the ability to lift weights at the workout room.

My history is 4 decades of energetic running, followed by several years of walking. When I walk now, my back becomes tender which I attribute to digenerstive disk disease. For anyone who feels this part of their life (vigorous athletic activity) is slipping away, consider jumping in a pool!

Warning: ease into it. You can hurt yourself even when swimming due to repetitive motion injury. Listen to your body. When I over do it, I end up with things like a sore neck, shoulders, and elbows. There is a difference between sore muscles due to exercise versus strain, and it can be challenging to differentiate between the two types of hurt. Usually the strain for me is more persistent and long lasting than sore muscles.
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I recently bought a running belt at Dick's Sporting Goods, it's from a company called Nathan. I was a little skeptical that this belt could keep everything in place during a run so I tried it today.

I love this thing! It's the perfect replacement for my old fanny pack and it does indeed keep everything in place while running - I had a wallet, keys and iPhone 6s and nothing moved during my 4 mile run today.

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Fanny pack, hah. That got a chuckle from me. I've seen something similar but as an across the chest strap, which makes more sense to me.

I used to wear a fanny pack and my wife still makes fun of me whenever the subject comes up. :p
 
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I used to wear a fanny pack and my wife still makes fun of me whenever the subject comes up. :p
It means something completely different in other countries. The first time I heard it stateside I thought I heard the person who said it incorrectly. Personally, I think hip bags are much more modern.
 
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ardchoille50

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Warning: ease into it. You can hurt yourself even when swimming due to repetitive motion injury. Listen to your body. When I over do it, I end up with things like a sore neck, shoulders, and elbows. There is a difference between sore muscles due to exercise versus strain, and it can be challenging to differentiate between the two types of hurt. Usually the strain for me is more persistent and long lasting than sore muscles.
This! So many people don't do this.. and they end up with further injury.

Also, we need lots of protein and water. Our bodies break down protein into amino acids. Those aminos are then used to repair bone and tissue.
 
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Huntn

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This! So many people don't do this.. and they end up with further injury.

Also, we need lots of protein and water. Our bodies break protein down into amino acids. Those aminos are then used to repair bone and tissue.

I think for someone who does not have a history of exercise, it can be difficult judging when their muscles are sore cause they are out of shape versus damaging themselves. Even for me it can be a tricky, however I've always been suspicious of a sore neck. :)
 

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I think for someone who does not have a history of exercise, it can be difficult judging when their muscles are sore cause they are out of shape versus damaging themselves. Even for me it can be a tricky, however I've always been suspicious of a sore neck. :)
Actually, sore muscles are the result of damage. I'm a weight lifter and we suffer from what is known as DOMS, usually a day after lifting. DOMS, or Delay Onset Muscle Soreness, is the result of tiny injuries in the muscle fiber. Many bodybuilders welcome DOMS and will continue workouts, after a day of rest, despite the pain.

Pain is there to let us know that something is wrong, so being suspicious of pain is a good practice. The trick is to pay attention to the location of the pain - muscle pain usually lets us know that we are "overdoing it", while join pain can be indicative of serious injury that may require medical attention.
 
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Actually, sore muscles are the result of damage. I'm a weight lifter and we suffer from what is known as DOMS, usually a day after lifting. DOMS, or Delay Onset Muscle Soreness, is the result of tiny injuries in the muscle fiber. Many bodybuilders welcome DOMS and will continue workouts, after a day of rest, despite the pain.

Pain is there to let us know that something is wrong, so being suspicious of pain is a good practice. The trick is to pay attention to the location of the pain - muscle pain usually lets us know that we are "overdoing it", while join pain can be indicative of serious injury that may require medical attention.

I was keeping it simple. ;) The action of exercise, damages muscles, repairing and building them in response is your bodies reaction to it. :)
 
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It's been my experience that using a snorkel while swimming helps avoid neck pain that often occurs from having to otherwise turn your head to breathe. It also seems to help with shoulder pain since it can improve your stroke and enable you to swim more efficiently.
 
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Just bought two pair of Saucony Kinvara 7 running shoes, after trying them on and running around the store. These shoes feel like they were actually built around my feet! I've never spent more than $30 on a pair of shoes before but I'll be looking at shoe performance instead of cost from now on.

I hear you. I thought my days of spending $100 on shoes ended in high school. But after my wife bought me a pair of Saucony running shoes I realized that it really makes a difference. Totally did away many of the minor aches and pains I had after running.
 

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It's been my experience that using a snorkel while swimming helps avoid neck pain that often occurs from having to otherwise turn your head to breathe. It also seems to help with shoulder pain since it can improve your stroke and enable you to swim more efficiently.

I don't dispute this, while viewing those snorkel-users as cheaters. ;) The correct stroke technique has you rotate your torso on a breathing stroke to minimize nick strain, although I admit to still frequently having a tender neck, but I don't look silly wearing that apparatus. :)
 

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I don't dispute this, while viewing those snorkel-users as cheaters. ;) The correct stroke technique has you rotate your torso on a breathing stroke to minimize nick strain, although I admit to still frequently having a tender neck, but I don't look silly wearing that apparatus. :)
I don't care what others think about how I look when I swim. With a snorkel I can swim much longer and get a better workout with less shoulder and neck pain than without.
 
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I don't care what others think about how I look when I swim. With a snorkel I can swim much longer and get a better workout with less shoulder and neck pain than without.

Obviously it's a valid option, where practicality outweighs fashion. :) Do you swim regularly?
 

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You are welcome. If you have any questions about Altra shoes or running equipment etc., I will be glad to help any way I can.

6pm.com is another good shoe site that has good prices a lot of the time.

I really like the Paradigm 2.0. I can run 30+ miles in them, and my feet still feel relatively fresh. Altra Torin is also a good model for road running.

I ended up getting the Paradigm 2.0 and they are comfy! Bought another pair of Altras for casual wear. I like the wide toe box, my toes can wiggle!

I was finally able to test them out last weekand they were comfortable. No foot cramps! I ran about 3.6miles at the golf course, gently rolling pavement. It was my first time running on solid ground. Sometimes my feet cramp up (my right more than left) the first 15-30 minutes when I trail run (i wear Salomon and La Sportivas for trail running) but i did not experience any foot cramps with the Altras (wide toe box? maybe because I was running on the pavement?).

I worry about my knees running on pavement/harder surface vs trail running. It was nice to see a more consistent pace and cadence on my Garmin.
 
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