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A huge percentage of the needed proteins in the human body are found in animal meat.

Whilst 100% of the needed proteins in the human body are found outside of animal meat products.
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Sounds like you know a lot about this, I'll pass on your professional insight!

You can easily check for yourself, just go to cronometer.com and fill in your daily food intake, you'll see exactly the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, carbs, protein, fat, etc., that you ingested and whether it fits your daily requirements.
 
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You can easily check for yourself, just go to cronometer.com and fill in your daily food intake, you'll see exactly the nutrients, vitamins, minerals, carbs, protein, fat, etc., that you ingested and whether it fits your daily requirements.

I'll definitely do that, because I'm really uninformed about this topic!





Hmm, so I guess after this 3rd attempt I should go ahead and clarify:


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I see no reason telling other people what they should eat, it's an ignorant behavior.
That only show how little knowledge people have.
I don't really trust anything that comes from that kind of communication.

Believe it or not, we all needs different amount and type of nutritions.
Also our needs differs extremely widely in different times of our lives.
Depending on many factors.

We absorb and burn more differently, then what can be explained.
It's complicated.
If it was easy, and all people were steeped in the same form, there would be no diseases on earth.:)
Information about, and sharing what we eat and why, is great.
But I hope people can show maturity and not think they know what's best for someone else.

It reminds me of fanatic religious people, who think their truth is the only truth.;)
 
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D.T.

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I'm on a burn for about 45 days, I'm working out even more intensely, and I'm eating - and eating a lot, but no carbs/sugars, no artificial sweeteners, no dairy, and we've completely curtailed alcohol consumption. 2000 calories of lean protein, fiber, veggies, proper fats, nuts (restricted diet isn't for the full duration). I'm down ~8lbs, I'm never hungry and my strength/stamina/cardio has had a dramatic increase.

I think the only downside is that your max exertion lifts will be slightly weaker, although that also depends on your lifting level. Still, keto is the way to go for quick weight loss for most people. It's just so easy to stick to!

I'm down about 5lbs since Saturday, just going with a simple 40/30/30 C/P/F 2000kcal daily goal. I might increase it a little bit depending on how I feel though since I'll be working out 5 times per week and I don't wanna burn out too quickly. Counting calories/macros also helps a lot with sticking to your diet/goals.

So I've done a couple of cuts, some intense training, I'm back at a pretty stout fighting weight :D My bench, deadlifts are way up, staying with HIIT + kickboxing + strength + yoga, controlled eating, loose on the weekend (basically following the burn plan Mon - Thu). Working on a final 10lbs or so, pulled out my low-weight clothes from a few years ago (when I was doing some insane training for IM level events), I'm close!

Feel great, summer starting we're out on the SUPs, two trips planned to The Keys for some free diving, feel like I'll have _way_ better range and stamina.
 
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I think a skill people think they know but don't is eating when you're actually hungry. And knowing when to stop or how much they should eat in relation to their daily expenditure.

So I've done a couple of cuts, some intense training, I'm back at a pretty stout fighting weight :D My bench, deadlifts are way up, staying with HIIT + kickboxing + strength + yoga, controlled eating, loose on the weekend (basically following the burn plan Mon - Thu). Working on a final 10lbs or so, pulled out my low-weight clothes from a few years ago (when I was doing some insane training for IM level events), I'm close!

Feel great, summer starting we're out on the SUPs, two trips planned to The Keys for some free diving, feel like I'll have _way_ better range and stamina.
IM? SUP?

Your post is a little confusing, but I'm guessing you used to be an amateur boxer?
 

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I think a skill people think they know but don't is eating when you're actually hungry. And knowing when to stop or how much they should eat in relation to their daily expenditure.


IM? SUP?

Your post is a little confusing, but I'm guessing you used to be an amateur boxer?
My wife who is a bit overweight frequently says she’s stuffed. I tell he she over ate. I don’t think she appreciates it, but the truth never hurts, right? Accept me... :p
 

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I think a skill people think they know but don't is eating when you're actually hungry. And knowing when to stop or how much they should eat in relation to their daily expenditure.


IM? SUP?

Your post is a little confusing, but I'm guessing you used to be an amateur boxer?

Oh let's see (guess I missed this[?]): IM == Iron Man (Tri), SUP == Stand Up Paddleboard, I have done some boxing training, a decent amount of a few MAs, never in any kind of competitive scenario.
 
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Those are fun!
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My wife who is a bit overweight frequently says she’s stuffed. I tell he she over ate. I don’t think she appreciates it, but the truth never hurts, right? Accept me... :p
Brave man. There's a two-pronged approach to that. Volume and energy density.
 
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They clearly haven’t evolved as much as Human Beings so...
I thought you were talking about the body as a whole. You mean intelligence? Are meat eaters "more evolved" (whatever that means) than us? for example, lions?

Evolution depends on context. Both gorilas and lions are indeed more evolved than humans in many aspects.
 
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I thought you were talking about the body as a whole. You mean intelligence? Are meat eaters "more evolved" (whatever that means) than us? for example, lions?

Evolution depends on context. Both gorilas and lions are indeed more evolved than humans in many aspects.
The Human body clearly evolved more than Gorilas so that was my point.
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Darwinism is a lie.
Good for you. Moving on...
 

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High Blood Pressure
I’ve always exercised, always had low blood pressure till now. I’m 65, 5’ 9”, 214lbs. For two years I’ve been swimming 3 times a week, 1hr15 min a session. The Fitbit says I am burning 1500 calories a week swimming.

But, now that I have what is considered high blood pressure, (135/85), did some reading and it has suddenly dawned on me that I need to make adjustments to my diet, so i’m going to hold off taking my newly subscribed blood pressure medicine for 2 weeks while I experiment, by cutting out the 32 oz of caffeinated coffee I drink daily and instead drink water and cut down on sodium in my diet. Stop salting my food, try eating some salads, and unfortunately not fix the chorizo I had purchased for breakfast today. I’ve already taken 2 Alieve in anticipation of my caffeine withdrawal headache. :)

@A.Goldberg, in the Ailement thread, you expressed curiosity about the blood pressure medicine my family doctor prescribed me. Along with my revelation about diet, I realize he has dissapointed me because he did not give me a lecture about my diet. He never asked about my diet. Just said oh, high blood pressure, I’ll fix you up. I’ll be looking for a new doctor I think. Or do you think talking to him might help? My wife flies to Minnesota every 2 months to visit grandkids and to see our old doctor who is excellent. I just can’t bring myself to do that, 6 hrs of flying total to see the doctor.

To anyone reading, what have you done to lower your blood pressure, besides meds?
Thanks!

Interesting articles:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...re/expert-answers/blood-pressure/faq-20058543

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...ure/in-depth/high-blood-pressure/art-20046974

https://www.livestrong.com/article/429912-is-chorizo-bad-if-you-are-on-a-diet/
 
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eltoslightfoot

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I see no reason telling other people what they should eat, it's an ignorant behavior.
That only show how little knowledge people have.
I don't really trust anything that comes from that kind of communication.

Believe it or not, we all needs different amount and type of nutritions.
Also our needs differs extremely widely in different times of our lives.
Depending on many factors.

We absorb and burn more differently, then what can be explained.
It's complicated.
If it was easy, and all people were steeped in the same form, there would be no diseases on earth.:)
Information about, and sharing what we eat and why, is great.
But I hope people can show maturity and not think they know what's best for someone else.

It reminds me of fanatic religious people, who think their truth is the only truth.;)

This! Moreover, everything is a balance. We are quite literally designed to be omnivores. Now people can choose to be plant-based, and if it is done correctly, they can be healthy. Me? I choose to be sensible. I eat meat. I also eat veggies. I try to limit carbs. I also work out and have lost weight with this sensible, sustainable diet.

But the most important part of the equation here is this works. FOR ME. I am not fond of fruits. I do not like a lot of vegetables. So I do what works FOR ME. If eating only eggs and asparagus works for you, then go for it (I would also consult a nutritionist or doctor on that one though)...
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High Blood Pressure
I’ve always exercised, always had low blood pressure till now. I’m 65, 5’ 9”, 214lbs. For two years I’ve been swimming 3 times a week, 1hr15 min a session. The Fitbit says I am burning 1500 calories a week swimming.

But, now that I have what is considered high blood pressure, (135/85), did some reading and it has suddenly dawned on me that I need to make adjustments to my diet, so i’m going to hold off taking my newly subscribed blood pressure medicine for 2 weeks while I experiment, by cutting out the 32 oz of caffeinated coffee I drink daily and instead drink water and cut down on sodium in my diet. Stop salting my food, try eating some salads, and unfortunately not fix the chorizo I had purchased for breakfast today. I’ve already taken 2 Alieve in anticipation of my caffeine withdrawal headache. :)

@A.Goldberg, in the Ailement thread, you expressed curiosity about the blood pressure medicine my family doctor prescribed me. Along with my revelation about diet, I realize he has dissapointed me because he did not give me a lecture about my diet. He never asked about my diet. Just said oh, high blood pressure, I’ll fix you up. I’ll be looking for a new doctor I think. Or do you think talking to him might help? My wife flies to Minnesota every 2 months to visit grandkids and to see our old doctor who is excellent. I just can’t bring myself to do that, 6 hrs of flying total to see the doctor.

To anyone reading, what have you done to lower your blood pressure, besides meds?
Thanks!

Interesting articles:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...re/expert-answers/blood-pressure/faq-20058543

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...ure/in-depth/high-blood-pressure/art-20046974

https://www.livestrong.com/article/429912-is-chorizo-bad-if-you-are-on-a-diet/

135/85 isn't that high is it? How many times has it been measured?
 

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This! Moreover, everything is a balance. We are quite literally designed to be omnivores. Now people can choose to be plant-based, and if it is done correctly, they can be healthy. Me? I choose to be sensible. I eat meat. I also eat veggies. I try to limit carbs. I also work out and have lost weight with this sensible, sustainable diet.

But the most important part of the equation here is this works. FOR ME. I am not fond of fruits. I do not like a lot of vegetables. So I do what works FOR ME. If eating only eggs and asparagus works for you, then go for it (I would also consult a nutritionist or doctor on that one though)...
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135/85 isn't that high is it? How many times has it been measured?
Several. According to the doctor new guidelines have been issued that say anything over 130 should be medicated. I’m looking at this as an opportunity to make some adjustments and possibly avoid taking another medication. I currently take simvistatin for cholesterol, which I might also benefit by making these adjustments. (I think I already knew this, but was not previously motivated to do much about it :oops:), and ompererazole for acid reflux.
 
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Several. According to the doctor new guidelines have been issued that say anything over 130 should be medicated. I’m looking at this as an opportunity to make some adjustments and possibly avoid taking another medication. I currently take simvistatin for cholesterol, which I might also benefit by making these adjustments. (I think I already knew this, but was not previously motivated to do much about it :oops:), and ompererazole for acid reflux.

Good luck! I have been pretty lucky on those fronts so far. Is it omeprazole that has the long term bone health issues? I can't remember. I used to get heartburn pretty bad. I got c-diff, and after I got rid of that, I take probiotics with 10 strains, and have much less issue with heartburn years later...not exactly a good way to get rid of it...
 

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Good luck! I have been pretty lucky on those fronts so far. Is it omeprazole that has the long term bone health issues? I can't remember. I used to get heartburn pretty bad. I got c-diff, and after I got rid of that, I take probiotics with 10 strains, and have much less issue with heartburn years later...not exactly a good way to get rid of it...
I’m not familiar with probiotics with 10 strains. I’m not sure about omeperazole.

For lowering blood pressure the following stand out, and I will moderate these for starters:
  • Stay hydrated, if dehydrated your body tries to hang onto water which may raise your blood pressure. I have tended to allow myself to be dehydrated.
  • Cut out caffeine, it may block an emzyne (or was it a protein?) that allows your arteries to open up, reducing blood pressure. Good bye coffee.
  • Eat a banana or 2 daily. The added potassium may reduce blood pressure.
  • Lower sodium intake. I salt things heavily. No added salt.
  • Eat more salads. I did when I was young. Since moving to Texas 7 years ago, increased beef consumption greatly, have not been eating salads. That has to be reveresed.
  • Alcohol, 1 drink per day for women, 2 for men can significantly lower blood pressure. That is an increase in drinking for myself. :p

 
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If I may add to your post. I myself do not suffer from high blood pressure. I would recommend checking out a product called "NoSalt," which is used by those with sodium restrictions. It's made from potassium chloride. Check with your doctor in case potassium may react with your medication(s).

I'd recommend romaine and celery as a snack. They have little to no natural sugars and are packed with water. I know you're not dieting, but these are a great way to increase fiber without resorting to something like psyllium. I do hear you on the beef intake. Whenever I fly into Texas on business, I find myself ordering steak or large amounts of meat in general. I can't blame you. Don't even get me started on hatch chili season.

As a rule I've always followed, I tend to avoid certain fruits because they hold little nutrition compared to the amount of calories they pack on. I tend to have 1-2 apples a day, though. Whole. I spit out the seeds or otherwise eat them. You're not supposed to eat them but I've been doing it for most of my life and I'm still fine. I love granny smith apples. The tartness is refreshing.
 
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Anyone here quit drinking coffee? Tell me how you suffered. ;)

Last week it appeared both me and my spouse came down with the flu. I had a vaccine and my wife did not and I recovered faster than she did. We were miserable for most of a week. Now I stopped drinking coffee, related to my high blood pressure after I recovered from being sick, but I may still be overcoming that, but I’ve had significant headaches for the last couple of days. I though there be a couple hours of that not several days. Also at on point I woke up in the middle of the night very dehydrated, contributing to my headache. Normally that does not happen to me and I’m wondering if this has to do with kicking coffee?

If I may add to your post. I myself do not suffer from high blood pressure. I would recommend checking out a product called "NoSalt," which is used by those with sodium restrictions. It's made from potassium chloride. Check with your doctor in case potassium may react with your medication(s).

I'd recommend romaine and celery as a snack. They have little to no natural sugars and are packed with water. I know you're not dieting, but these are a great way to increase fiber without resorting to something like psyllium. I do hear you on the beef intake. Whenever I fly into Texas on business, I find myself ordering steak or large amounts of meat in general. I can't blame you. Don't even get me started on hatch chili season.

As a rule I've always followed, I tend to avoid certain fruits because they hold little nutrition compared to the amount of calories they pack on. I tend to have 1-2 apples a day, though. Whole. I spit out the seeds or otherwise eat them. You're not supposed to eat them but I've been doing it for most of my life and I'm still fine. I love granny smith apples. The tartness is refreshing.
Which fruits do you avoid? On a past calorie restriction routine I was munching on fresh leaf spinach from the salad secretion of the grocery store. I have a tough time with celery unless it’s go some peanut butter on it.
 
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