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Also at on point I woke up in the middle of the night very dehydrated, contributing to my headache. Normally that does not happen to me and I’m wondering if this has to do with kicking coffee?

Yes. Those are fairly normal symptoms of withdrawal. The time period varies between people.

Which fruits do you avoid? On a past calorie restriction routine I was munching on fresh leaf spinach from the salad secretion of the grocery store. I have a tough time with celery unless it’s go some peanut butter on it.
Watermelon, bananas, certain varieties of pears, certain mango varieties, etc. It isn't about calorie restriction for me. I just view it as a poor source of nutrition in comparison to the calories they pack in. There's a few notable exceptions such as fresh and dried figs.

You can blend the celery with some water and a slice or two of apple and drink up. Should keep you full for a few hours. And, let's face it, it'll help elsewhere, too.
 

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Yes. Those are fairly normal symptoms of withdrawal. The time period varies between people.


Watermelon, bananas, certain varieties of pears, certain mango varieties, etc. It isn't about calorie restriction for me. I just view it as a poor source of nutrition in comparison to the calories they pack in. There's a few notable exceptions such as fresh and dried figs.

You can blend the celery with some water and a slice or two of apple and drink up. Should keep you full for a few hours.
Thanks!
Bananas were mentioned in a Mayo Clinic article as a good source of potassium, to counter sodium (it’s effect on blood pressure) in your diet.
 

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Bananas were mentioned in a Mayo Clinic article as a good source of potassium, to counter sodium (it’s effect on blood pressure) in your diet.
There's a lot of food out there that has the same, a little less or more than a banana. I've probably had a banana less than four times since the new year. Yet we've bought multiple bunches.

Usually I prefer some yogurt, a baked or steamed sweet potato, steamed broccoli or something similar. I tend to opt for broccoli because I love broccoli.
 

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There's a lot of food out there that has the same, a little less or more than a banana. I've probably had a banana less than four times since the new year. Yet we've bought multiple bunches.

Usually I prefer some yogurt, a baked or steamed sweet potato, steamed broccoli or something similar. I tend to opt for broccoli because I love broccoli.
Thanks for the tip.
https://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/potassium-sources-and-benefits#2

Here’s how many milligrams (mg) of potassium you'll get from these potassium-rich foods:
  • Winter squash, cubed, 1 cup, cooked: 896 mg
  • Sweet potato, medium, baked with skin: 694 mg
  • Potato, medium, baked with skin: 610 mg
  • White beans, canned, drained, half cup: 595 mg
  • Yogurt, fat-free, 1 cup: 579 mg
  • Halibut, 3 ounces, cooked: 490 mg
  • 100% orange juice, 8 ounces: 496 mg
  • Broccoli, 1 cup, cooked: 457 mg
  • Cantaloupe, cubed, 1 cup: 431 mg
  • Banana, 1 medium: 422 mg
  • Pork tenderloin, 3 ounces, cooked: 382 mg
  • Lentils, half cup, cooked: 366 mg
  • Milk, 1% low fat, 8 ounces: 366 mg
  • Salmon, farmed Atlantic, 3 ounces, cooked: 326 mg
  • Pistachios, shelled, 1 ounce, dry roasted: 295 mg
  • Raisins, quarter cup: 250 mg
  • Chicken breast, 3 ounces, cooked: 218 mg
  • Tuna, light, canned, drained, 3 ounces: 201 mg
Source: U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)
 
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That list doesn't include brussels sprouts, which are delicious, too. There's a small issue with the daily requirements and how much you get from food. You'd have to eat a lot to get close to it. We're talking 5-7 servings of the foods at the top of that list. The FDA has a set restriction on OTC supplements containing potassium. This is where that salt substitute is useful. Though, like I said, check with your doc before using it. Too much potassium from any source can be bad for certain individuals with conditions or medication that reacts to too much potassium.
 
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More on coffee:

Pro coffee kinda, in an article about kicking caffeine:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/kick-your-caffeine-habit-_n_3732348.html
This is an article on kicking your caffeine habit, yet it says:
“In the right amount, coffee is actually a health food,” Dawn Jackson Blatner R.D., author of “The Flexitarian Diet,” tells The Huffington Post. “Sixteen ounces of coffee before noon not only can keep you alert, but also can prevent diseases like diabetes and Alzheimer’s.”

Critical of coffee:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...re/expert-answers/blood-pressure/faq-20058543
Caffeine can cause a short, but dramatic increase in your blood pressure, even if you don't have high blood pressure. It's unclear what causes this spike in blood pressure. Some researchers believe that caffeine could block a hormone that helps keep your arteries widened.

This from a company selling a herbal coffee substitute
, as I look at my bottle of Omeperazol.
http://teeccino.com/building_optimal_health/39183/Decaf-Coffee-And-Health.html

Many people have the popular misconception that caffeine will help them lose weight. Unfortunately, the opposite is true. Drinking caffeinated beverages or taking pills containing caffeine ultimately stimulates increased appetite for sweets and fatty foods. Caffeine triggers a roller coaster ride of elevated blood sugar and stress hormones that thwarts people's efforts on a diet to stick to their regime.

“Drinking decaf coffee rather than regular coffee does not lower a person's risk of heart attack. Whereas studies show that drinking green tea does lower the risk of heart attack, it seems that compounds in coffee other than caffeine contribute to increased risk of heart attack from coffee drinking.
  • Both decaf and regular coffee increase the release of gastrin, the hormone that stimulates the release of stomach acid.
  • Both decaf and regular coffee increase pressure on the esophageal sphincter, showing that other compounds in coffee besides caffeine are responsible for the acid reflux response after drinking coffee.
  • Both decaf and regular coffee cause minerals to be excreted in urine including calcium, magnesium and zinc. Loss of minerals combined with increased acidity can lead to bone loss and osteoporosis.
I’m going to purchase some of this from a local health store: http://teeccino.com/product/74/Maya-Chai-11-oz-Bag.html

Ingredients:
Any cautions from anyone? :)
 

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Anyone here quit drinking coffee? Tell me how you suffered. ;)

Last week it appeared both me and my spouse came down with the flu. I had a vaccine and my wife did not and I recovered faster than she did. We were miserable for most of a week. Now I stopped drinking coffee, related to my high blood pressure after I recovered from being sick, but I may still be overcoming that, but I’ve had significant headaches for the last couple of days. I though there be a couple hours of that not several days. Also at on point I woke up in the middle of the night very dehydrated, contributing to my headache. Normally that does not happen to me and I’m wondering if this has to do with kicking coffee?

I've never liked the taste of coffee, so it's always been soda for me, and too much of it at that. In the past week since I've started, I've had a headache almost every single day, but I'm not sure how much of that is from caffeine withdraw and how much of it is my body complaining about the new diet.

I've mostly quit the soda, but I've changed the caffeine delivery method to sugar-free red bull (the small one)--I know it's got its own list of problems.
 

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I've never liked the taste of coffee, so it's always been soda for me, and too much of it at that. In the past week since I've started, I've had a headache almost every single day, but I'm not sure how much of that is from caffeine withdraw and how much of it is my body complaining about the new diet.

I've mostly quit the soda, but I've changed the caffeine delivery method to sugar-free red bull (the small one)--I know it's got its own list of problems.
For the last 5 days I’ve been suffering periodic headaches, but not migraine type aches. I’ve also been getting dehydrated every day and have been drinking much more water than previously required, not that having to drink water is bad. I suspect this is part of the detox process.

I have since discovered some excellent herbal coffee, Teeccino Brand. It brews nice and dark and is chock full of healthy stuff. Two local health stores in my neighborhood sell it, but it can also be purchased on Amazon.
http://teeccino.com/faq.html#faq6280

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https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_3_4?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=teeccino+herbal+coffee&sprefix=Tecc,aps,182&crid=2N4D35UW99YMG&rh=i:aps,k:teeccino+herbal+coffee
 

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Love sprouts, and they need to be roasted, it's like a totally different veggie. Cut in half, light mist of some olive oil, a little [good] salt and pepper, delicious and healthy.

They're great like that, but I can only eat so many before I regret it later. :(
 

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They're great like that, but I can only eat so many before I regret it later. :(

Oh yeah, they can be a little, umm, "gas inducing" :D
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I've mostly quit the soda, but I've changed the caffeine delivery method to sugar-free red bull (the small one)--I know it's got its own list of problems.

Yikes, I mean, just Red Bull in general, lots of questionable ingredients, and the sugar free is loaded up with aspartame - you'd be much better off learning to like coffee or tea (I've found a lot of people who aren't fan of coffee really learn to enjoy tea). If you want a little perkiness to your other beverages, drink bubbly water, plain, or one of the decent flavored options (that contains just a little fruit flavor, but no sweeteners added), or even buy a bag of limes and/or lemons, a fresh squeeze over a plain bubbly water and ice is super refreshing, gives you the vibe of drinking a "drink", and is hydrating.
 

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Yikes, I mean, just Red Bull in general, lots of questionable ingredients, and the sugar free is loaded up with aspartame - you'd be much better off learning to like coffee or tea (I've found a lot of people who aren't fan of coffee really learn to enjoy tea). If you want a little perkiness to your other beverages, drink bubbly water, plain, or one of the decent flavored options (that contains just a little fruit flavor, but no sweeteners added), or even buy a bag of limes and/or lemons, a fresh squeeze over a plain bubbly water and ice is super refreshing, gives you the vibe of drinking a "drink", and is hydrating.

Agreed, which is why I'm trying to get away from it, but I might have one every few days. I've mostly switched to drinking *lots* of water, I don't mind the taste of plain water. I do like green tea and herbal tea. I see that you're in Florida, so you definitely understand that having a hot beverage during the spring/summer months is not fun. I'm a bad southerner--I can't stand black tea, sweet or unsweet. :D
 
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Agreed, which is why I'm trying to get away from it, but I might have one every few days. I've mostly switched to drinking *lots* of water, I don't mind the taste of plain water. I do like green tea and herbal tea. I see that you're in Florida, so you definitely understand that having a hot beverage during the spring/summer months is not fun. I'm a bad southerner--I can't stand black tea, sweet or unsweet. :D

Hahaha, right, nothing better than sitting on the deck in 105 degree temps sipping on a nice steaming hot cup of coffee ... :D

I'm definitely a coffee drinker, but it's mostly early-ish in the morning and that's it. Sometimes I'll do a tea in the evening as kind of a "desert" / after diner sort of treat, something like Pukka vanilla chai, little dab of honey (it's a nice strong flavored tea).

We do a, I guess you could call it, a "health sprint", Mon-Thu, with no alcohol, minimal carbs (complimented by a number of different workouts), and I get sort of a craving, not so much for the booze itself, but for a drink. I guess it's sort of a behavioral type thing, the process of making a drink, consuming it, so I like to do no-booze, low-no carbs bevs, kind of dress them up with lime, lemon, a little real ginger syrup, it's very satisfying vs. just flat water.
 

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Eating Healthy and Exercise are very important. I am thirty-five, and become fatter and fatter. It's hard to lose weight cause metabolism becomes slow. To keep fit, I need to eat healthy and do more exercise. Kind of sad.
 

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Tips for a good energy drink.
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Started to drink an iced Matcha Coconut-water drink replacing the espressos a lot of the time.
No lack of caffein in that, guaranteed.

I also mix in some BCCA (brain-chained amino-acids) to max it up.
Packed with health, minerals, electrolytes, caffein and aminos.
A pinch of stevia makes it less bitter too. Matcha as we'll as coffee can be that.

The spring is warm, the summer gets closer.
My new electric-racing-bike, is a good friend that gives a good dose of almost daily natural exercise, without too tough training when going shopping etc. Lots ups and downhills in this town.
Had 6 racing bikes earlier. But had to take a pause and hang up my 12-geared one a few years ago. Was too stressed out of a tough period in life & too hard training at the time.
So been driving a car for a awhile. Now happy to be back to biking :)
 
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Hahaha, right, nothing better than sitting on the deck in 105 degree temps sipping on a nice steaming hot cup of coffee ... :D

I'm definitely a coffee drinker, but it's mostly early-ish in the morning and that's it. Sometimes I'll do a tea in the evening as kind of a "desert" / after diner sort of treat, something like Pukka vanilla chai, little dab of honey (it's a nice strong flavored tea).

We do a, I guess you could call it, a "health sprint", Mon-Thu, with no alcohol, minimal carbs (complimented by a number of different workouts), and I get sort of a craving, not so much for the booze itself, but for a drink. I guess it's sort of a behavioral type thing, the process of making a drink, consuming it, so I like to do no-booze, low-no carbs bevs, kind of dress them up with lime, lemon, a little real ginger syrup, it's very satisfying vs. just flat water.
Ah, a fellow Pukka drinker. I don't use sugar much, and I definitely don't use honey unless I'm sick. I've found a lot of love for stevia extract or stevia leaves from the garden. It's very potent stuff. I don't see a point using sugar in drinks now unless you use a lot of it to taste the sweetness. Still use sugar in baked goods, though.

I'm not sure if Florida participates, but one of the weirder incidences I had in the South was the iced tea. The only iced tea I know of is unsweetened, maybe with a squeeze of lemon or lime. People will drink 5-10 glasses of that stuff a day. Speaking of lime and lemon, have you guys come across the True Citrus line of products? They're fantastic and I think you would enjoy them. I make a stiff vodka lime with two sachets of the dehydrated lime and just a small splash of regular club soda, La Croix lime or Spindrift in lemon flavor.

I'd check out the smaller packs of the True Citrus before you buy the 100 or 500 pack off of Amazon. They also make stevia and sugar combined lemonade pitcher packs. They make a lot of great products, and they've now fully transitioned towards non-GMO.
 
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I try and limit myself to two coffees a day, no more. I definitely have a bit of a dependency going on for it. I remember one day where I had to drive for a few hours, skipped my usual morning and afternoon coffees as a result, and ended up with such a banging headache it became virtually impossible to function. Yet one swiftly downed can of Coke (which I don’t normally drink) later and the headache evaporated within a few minutes.

Need to do something about that for sure.
 

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Started to drink an iced Matcha Coconut-water drink replacing the espressos a lot of the time.
No lack of caffein in that, guaranteed.

I also mix in some BCCA (brain-chained amino-acids) to max it up.
Packed with health, minerals, electrolytes, caffein and aminos.
A pinch of stevia makes it less bitter too. Matcha as we'll as coffee can be that.

The spring is warm, the summer gets closer.
My new electric-racing-bike, is a good friend that gives a good dose of almost daily natural exercise, without too tough training when going shopping etc. Lots ups and downhills in this town.
Had 6 racing bikes earlier. But had to take a pause and hang up my 12-geared one a few years ago. Was too stressed out of a tough period in life & too hard training at the time.
So been driving a car for a awhile. Now happy to be back to biking :)
I’ll look at this. Is it a powder or sold as a liquid?

Edit: just found this, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matcha. If has caffeine, I’ll pass.
Of note, since quitting coffee I’ve not had to take my acid reflux medicine, omeperazole. I hope that continues.
 
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I’ll look at this. Is it a powder or sold as a liquid?

Edit: just found this, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matcha. If has caffeine, I’ll pass.
Of note, since quitting coffee I’ve not had to take my acid reflux medicine, omeperazole. I hope that continues.
It has caffeine, but it also has L-theanine, with many benefits for relaxation and concentration etc.
So you don’t get the jittery feeling and high as in coffee. But still gets energized and relaxed at the same time.

You buy it as a powder and mix it btw. But if you don’t want the caffeine, so maybe not. Each to their own.
Just wanted to post it as it’s a great replacement for coffee as a energizier. With the benefit of no ‘crash’ after some time. But there are so much other wonderful stuff to explore.
 

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What's that herb South Americans drink from those shells? I don't believe that has caffeine in it.
 

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What's that herb South Americans drink from those shells? I don't believe that has caffeine in it.
You mean Yerba Mate?

I use that as one part of the green tea I use for making Kombucha.
I drink it too sometimes, very good.
No the caffeine is probably not very high, but it exist.
 

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It has caffeine, but it also has L-theanine, with many benefits for relaxation and concentration etc.
So you don’t get the jittery feeling and high as in coffee. But still gets energized and relaxed at the same time.

You buy it as a powder and mix it btw. But if you don’t want the caffeine, so maybe not. Each to their own.
Just wanted to post it as it’s a great replacement for coffee as a energizier. With the benefit of no ‘crash’ after some time. But there are so much other wonderful stuff to explore.
The concern is that caffeinated coffee may cause or contribute to high blood pressure, and that’s something new I’m dealing with, the original reason I abruptly quit coffee. My impression is it’s the caffeine.
 

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Caffeine is an easy target, but it may be multiple things causing your blood pressure to spike.
 

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Caffeine is an easy target, but it may be multiple things causing your blood pressure to spike.
I agree. I’m removing possibilities.

I just watched a video from http://cutyourcravings.com/, it’s very compelling. I acknowledge this (if you believe the video) respected doctor (Dr.Gundry) is peddling a pre biotic called Prebio Thrive (https://www.amazon.com/MD-PREBIOTHR...=1525967516&sr=8-5&keywords=gundry+prebiotics)

which provides food for the good microbes in your gut, and many of the things he said caught my attention. He says that the microbiotic in your stomach communicate directly with your brain. The bad bugs ask for junk food. The good bugs ask for healthier food.

Some of the points in this video:
  • Lectins are bad for your gut health- Tomatoes, eggplants peppers, beans, potatoes, cashews (although there are suggested ways to prep these items). For example peel potatoes, only eat the pulp of tomatoes.
  • Antiobiotics are a disaster- he claims there is a direct link to antibiotics that kill all the microorganisms in your stomach and obesity. After a week of antibiotics it could take two years to regain normal microbiotic chemistry in your stomach. He claims it’s part of the reason for elevated childhood and adult obesity.
  • Splenda kills good stomach microbes.
  • Yes to Dark Chocolate, wallnuts, pistachios, coffee, olive oil, almonds (ok).
  • No to grains, breads, brown breads, cashews, peanuts, Splenda, cut back on meat, most contain low level doses of anti-biotics.
Then there is:

I’m interested in what you all think about his diet suggestions and the idea of taking probiotics. Anyone have experience with this?
 
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