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@unagimiyagi for the first time I shared a post from Macrumors on my social media accounts. You have written just the perfect words which all users face.

It's never about the hardware specs, neither benchmarks. Neither how you feel about the device on your first day.. but how good it is in the long run (give it a month) iOS always wins in the end. For a person who has got a taste of the reliability of iOS, it is very hard to remain satisfied in Androidland.
 

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Bottom line: maybe I'm picky and I'm not considering bang for the buck that android provides. But what I totally did not realize is this about the galaxy s7 compared to the 6s:

Why I left (what I thought I was missing):
--better battery
--better camera
--better screen
--notification light
--more customization/hackability
--cheaper, way less expensive real world prices
--more "open"

What I think most people don't know or simply for some reason do not care about which is beyond me:

--the battery life is not much better, if at all a week or two later. Why? Because you will download apps that will somehow be leeching battery juice, yes, even after doze on android 6.0. All that backgrounding does take a toll, those android services. the standby time is way better than it used to be, but it still is not like the iphone, where fully loaded up with apps, the battery barely moves overnight.
--the camera on the s7 is NOT better than the 6s. The color balance matters, and it's yellow. The raw hardware is better, but the final result, is not. It's oversharpened, by a noticeable amount. And the pro mode is not that "pro" as there is no shutter priority. Get an app for that. I did. The apps don't support Android 6 yet, and the picture quality has dramatically worse quality than the Samsung camera app. There is some image processing that the apps do not have access to or whatever it is, the picture is terrible. So yes I can customize but the end result is worse than the Samsung default camera app. In the end the iphone camera is easily better to me and more reliable. But the Samsung focuses faster. Low light was not a night and day difference to me, especially since I didn't realize how much the yellow color cast would bother me. Yup it's brighter but everything looks yellow. Not a clear win to me, which surprised me.
--screen is not as peak bright as 6s, but it's not a bad screen, very good but the superhigh res did not matter to me. sunlight legibility was not better than the 6s, which many reviews said it was. It just makes the contrast very milky etc and it's not clear that this is more legible.
--notification light I thought would be great a la blackberry days . But oddly enough the notifications coming in bothered me (not the light), because I kept having to press "clear" "clear" "clear". Apps would install themselves with a ad banner type bar, or a weather app would install itself in the notification bar, and it was annoying to see these what I'd consider unwanted adware in the notiification bar.
--the amazing number of ads in apps. It's immediately noticeable. Ads everywhere and very reminiscent of windows laptops vs macs.
--the app quality, no matter what, is always always always always better on ios. I think it's not just as simple as the money trail. Have you tried to develop for android vs ios? ios is just so much faster. Android development is very bloated and the compatibility libraries and subtle differences between devices make for least common denominator apps with more bugs...or the devs just don't care as much. The app quality is easily poorer for all but the big huge billion dollar companies.
--UI lag. You've got 8 cores but it's immediately, patently obvious that the way android is designed just is not smooth in the way ios is. Chrome for crying out loud lags when scrolling, or it will after a week. Transitions are jerky at times, etc. Pulling up a context menu, etc. This is immediately apparent to any average ios user. It just doesn't feel "smooth".
--Unsensible defaults. When I press play on a video link, I get a small tiny window, rather than Safari giving you full attention and turning the video fullscreen. On a device this small, I'd think safari's fullscreen by default, give all your attention to the video, makes sense for most. And right now there's no way to turn this to the default option on my s7.
--The font system is also off: either too big or too small when adjusting font size in many apps such as chrome, gmail, etc. It seems odd but despite bigger screens, the information being presented is less than the iphone. Or if more than the iphone, the text is too small. Seems to be no middle ground here.
--Swipe from top of screen to toggle quick controls is not user friendly. Bottom would be better, but that may be for google now.
--Privacy. Wow. No idea what Google is tracking and why, there's just no confidence there. I think this is a huge bet that only Apple has wagered correctly on. I tried to get ad blocking to work and figured you can't on Chrome, makes sense....that's how Google makes money. But then it seemed odd to have to download an entire separate adblocker browser. Again the sensible default where you add a content filter to Safari. It was effortless.
--Lack of updates--I have no confidence these bugs will ever get fixed.
--Better headphone audio quality in iPhone. Music sounds better.
--there is no such thing as just use it out of the box and go with Android. No way. You've got to tinker and mess with settings and there's constant fiddling around to get the perfect setup. With iPhone it's all works sensibly with default options . I feel strongly that this is not just a familiarity bias. I was with the G1 at the very beginning and iphone was always better in this way.

I believe there are fundamental, deep problems with android that are not going to be solved unless there is a complete rewrite of the core and a rethinking of the philosophy. I'm really bullish on ios' future simply because the core features, like watching media, reading a website, listening to music, making phone calls, scrolling, etc are all highly intuitive and solid in a way that I do not believe android due to its fragmentation and mindset about the way apps are built are ever going to catch up to. It's open yes, but it's clear this openness is not the path towards quality. And if quality wins out in the end, ios is very safe. Android is simply not a quality product to the degree that ios is. Everyone knows this because as soon as people can afford one, they move to an iPhone. Rarely are there switchers to android.
Oh my...

The opinions I respect, everyone is entitled to theirs. But the exaggerated claims are misleading your fellow smartphone users.

To think, those who've never owned a current Android might actually believe what's written here.

I own Both Phones, they're both excellent, each in their own way. Never before have the two platforms been so similar. Samsung's hardware and build quality is every bit as good as Apple.

The misleading way you've claimed Android apps have so many ads is quite imaginative.

A rather different viewpoint you have...
 
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NickHunt7

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Sorry to jump on the bandwagon here but I agree with everything said in the OP, barring the camera argument because that comes down to what kind of image processing you prefer, but the word Android needs to be swapped with Samsung in that post. I'm an Apple user who wouldn't mind trying Android if the Nexus 6P was actually sold in my country I would jump for a chance to try it out because in my opinion Vanilla Android is more optimized than any other OEM can do Android on their phone which makes sense to a degree. See it's not that Apple users hate Android we just don't want to use a phone with TouchWizz, toned down or not, it's not anywhere near the best Android experience you can get on a smartphone
 

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--the camera on the s7 is NOT better than the 6s.
This is false. Go read the reviews on the camera sites.

but it's not a bad screen
The Samsung flagship AMOLED screens blow all other smartphone screens out of the water.

Bottom line
Sounds like you just couldn't deal with change and get used to a different OS. The S7/S7 Edge are the best smartphones hardware wise out there. You just prefer the iPhone software. That is fine but to try to justify that preference by claiming the iPhone 6s has better hardware is ludicrous

The Note series devices are the best Samsung devices. I can't wait to get my hands on a Note 6.
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Samsung's hardware and build quality is every bit as good as Apple.
Since the S6 and Note 5 yes, prior to that no. Samsung really stepped up their game starting with the S6.
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I dislike Android for the fact that it's UI looks unfinished, it's icons are generally ugly and there seems to be an overall lack of consistency in UI design.
Dude, you can make Android look like whatever you want using themes and launchers. Try that with an unjailbroken iPhone.

You just lack the technical smarts to know how to do it, which is crazy since it is as simple as downloading Nova launcher, lol!
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excrementitious Touchwiz
Samsung has really toned down touchwiz and the addition of themes is fantastic for customizing your UI.
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That said, I still love my iPhone 6s. It is a great consumer phone - just don't expect to do any serious work on it.
iPhones are for people who are scared of technology. They are good basic devices though.
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In fairness, the Galaxy S7 was launched a few months ago. The 6S launched a year ago. I would hope the S7 has better camera equipment going against the year old 6S.
It does. Way better. That is why OP's post is a joke.
 
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I can not adjust to iOS because I really can't adjust it to my liking.

Nova Launcher Prime (gesture shortcuts)
KingRoot = awesome app. Just used it today.
MX Player far better video player than iOS
QuickPic
SwiftKey way better than iOS version
CM Browser
Wakeup Touch Nexus
Textra
TubeMate
Flud
Disable Services
Greenify
Screen Off and Lock
ES File Explorer
Moon+ Reader Pro
Can sideload apps
Double tap to wake screen
Can move media without iTunes

MX Player can play mkv and avi files. Can play the audio in the background. Any iOS device is so restrictive at handling media. I have shortcuts hidden in my homescreen. I can go on and on. Most talking about Android here are either newbies and repeating the same things I heard from 2008-2012 when Android wasn't mature yet. I was just like the poster back in 2011 thinking the same way. BTW, I get very little batt % drop overnight. A rooted Android with Greenify and Disable Services is the key. KingRoot makes it too easy to root.

No phone is safe. Go YouTube and there is a 60 Minute segment of hackers hacking into ANY phone. Phones and online was built to spy on us. You would be too gullible to think iOS is anymore safe than Android.
 

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because as soon as people can afford one, they move to an iPhone.
Samsung flagships are priced in line with iPhones.

I have so much disposable income that I buy every new phone that comes out that I want, usually 3 new flagships a year for myself alone. But none are iPhones.

I buy iPhones for my relatives - the old people who can't figure out technology and the younger liberal arts majors who can't figure out technology. With the exception of the jailbreak community, that is the market for iPhones - technologically ignorant people.
 

NickHunt7

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I can not adjust to iOS because I really can't adjust it to my liking.

Nova Launcher Prime (gesture shortcuts)
KingRoot = awesome app. Just used it today.
MX Player far better video player than iOS
QuickPic
SwiftKey way better than iOS version
CM Browser
Wakeup Touch Nexus
Textra
TubeMate
Flud
Disable Services
Greenify
Screen Off and Lock
ES File Explorer
Moon+ Reader Pro
Can sideload apps
Double tap to wake screen
Can move media without iTunes

MX Player can play mkv and avi files. Can play the audio in the background. Any iOS device is so restrictive at handling media. I have shortcuts hidden in my homescreen. I can go on and on. Most talking about Android here are either newbies and repeating the same things I heard from 2008-2012 when Android wasn't mature yet. I was just like the poster back in 2011 thinking the same way. BTW, I get very little batt % drop overnight. A rooted Android with Greenify and Disable Services is the key. KingRoot makes it too easy to root.

No phone is safe. Go YouTube and there is a 60 Minute segment of hackers hacking into ANY phone. Phones and online was built to spy on us. You would be too gullible to think iOS is anymore safe than Android.

The fact you need that many apps installed just enjoy doing basic **** on your phone is astounding
 

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I have an S7 edge (wanted note but no stock when I upgraded).

It is great.

camera is very good but under some indoor lights yes bit yellow tint.
my battery last longer than my previous phone (note 3).

I installed 360 anti virus which also has ability to prevent apps starting up therefore prelong battery life.
The S7 edge came with a boost charger, charges at 9v to 90% then drops down to the usual 5v again.

I dont not like apple phones.
don't like the icons (look like kids toy icons) and do not like the layout of the settings menu.

I do have an ipod touch.
The last model with the large 30 pin connector.

It sees very little use.

I do think apple put alot of thought into their device and it is a good device.
I do not slag off apple just coz I dont like the phones.

We all have our own preferences and that is what make our world what it is.
 

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Other cool things I like from Android -

Many can adjust the data limit on it. I get a reminder when I get close to my limit.

Developer Option lets you adjust animation speed. Mine is at 0.5x and Nova Launcher Prime is set to FAST. It has been set like this since 2013. Lag generally goes away. Or just turn off all animations if it is still there.

Developer Option also lets me turn on the Internet speed which I see on top. I like seeing my network speed near my battery %.

Screen ON Time usage is measured better on Android. Unlike iOS which counts audio as usage.

Mass delete files. Select ALL. Delete. iOS can only do it one at a time. I still have to sync to iTunes to do it. Apple still hasn't got this right in NINE YEARS.

I forgot to mention widgets but I stopped using it and live wallpapers awhile back. Nova Launcher Prime alone is why I prefer Android over iOS. I wouldn't have a clean homescreen and drawer without the ability to hide apps. I wouldn't be able to double tap to Greenify Hibernate. Or swipe up to Screen Off and Lock with Z animation. Notification Toggles is another great app I've used for years.
 

NickHunt7

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I have an S7 edge (wanted note but no stock when I upgraded).

It is great.

camera is very good but under some indoor lights yes bit yellow tint.
my battery last longer than my previous phone (note 3).

I installed 360 anti virus which also has ability to prevent apps starting up therefore prelong battery life.
The S7 edge came with a boost charger, charges at 9v to 90% then drops down to the usual 5v again.

I dont not like apple phones.
don't like the icons (look like kids toy icons) and do not like the layout of the settings menu.

I do have an ipod touch.
The last model with the large 30 pin connector.

It sees very little use.

I do think apple put alot of thought into their device and it is a good device.
I do not slag off apple just coz I dont like the phones.

We all have our own preferences and that is what make our world what it is.

You say you do not slag apple off yet you just did by saying their icons look like kids toy icons??? I feel the exact same way about Android it looks too cartoony for my taste
 

NickHunt7

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Other cool things I like from Android -

Many can adjust the data limit on it. I get a reminder when I get close to my limit.

Developer Option lets you adjust animation speed. Mine is at 0.5x and Nova Launcher Prime is set to FAST. It has been set like this since 2013. Lag generally goes away. Or just turn off all animations if it is still there.

Developer Option also lets me turn on the Internet speed which I see on top. I like seeing my network speed near my battery %.

Screen ON Time usage is measured better on Android. Unlike iOS which counts audio as usage.

Mass delete files. Select ALL. Delete. iOS can only do it one at a time. I still have to sync to iTunes to do it. Apple still hasn't got this right in NINE YEARS.

I forgot to mention widgets but I stopped using it and live wallpapers awhile back. Nova Launcher Prime alone is why I prefer Android over iOS. I wouldn't have a clean homescreen and drawer without the ability to hide apps. I wouldn't be able to double tap to Greenify Hibernate. Or swipe up to Screen Off and Lock with Z animation. Notification Toggles is another great app I've used for years.

You realize all those things you just mentioned are not things all phones need to do right? Like that's your preference and doesn't make Android flat out better than iOS... It just makes it better for you and that's about it. All that stuff you mentioned I know a lot of people who use Android who don't bother with any of it at all.

All depends on how you want to use your phone and what you need your phone for at the end of the day
 

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You say you do not slag apple off yet you just did by saying their icons look like kids toy icons??? I feel the exact same way about Android it looks too cartoony for my taste

I only say looks kids like but that's not really slag off.
Its a good device and well made.
And I have recommended apple tabs over android to people as it better suits their needs.

many apple owners said same thing when an update changed the icons.
I cannot remember the IOS update which did it.

My work mate has an apple and he did not like the change in icons but still has an apple.

I do agree with some above that the samsung touchwiz can be little too invasive compared to a stock android.
But all my android devices are samsung it is something I live with.
 

NickHunt7

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I only say looks kids like but that's not really slag off.
Its a good device and well made.
And I have recommended apple tabs over android to people as it better suits their needs.

many apple owners said same thing when an update changed the icons.
I cannot remember the IOS update which did it.

My work mate has an apple and he did not like the change in icons but still has an apple.

I do agree with some above that the samsung touchwiz can be little too invasive compared to a stock android.
But all my android devices are samsung it is something I live with.

As long as you enjoy it and are happy with it than I can't judge you at all or say anything because that's what matters in the end.

Yeah it was iOS 7 that did the massive UI change that specific update looked a bit childish in terms of design etc but it's been matured over the years. And now it looks like all we're getting from a UI change perspective in 10 is dark mode which yes is years late but there was no need before because Dark Colors on an LCD don't pop as much as they do on AMOLED for example so Apple could get away with not having it
 

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I wouldn't go that far it's just they don't look as good as the iOS icons in my opinion and that's all it is for me. Some people enjoy the look of the icons clearly and that's perfectly fine
Those icons are very big part of how you perceive it and i would like it better if the damn UI was more consistent with nice icons.
 

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If apple would bring USB and MHL support then I might be tempted to swap to iphone but big one like a plus as like big screen phones.
 

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If apple would bring USB and MHL support then I might be tempted to swap to iphone but big one like a plus as like big screen phones.

Doubt that ever happens to be honest they would literally need to close down iTunes if it did as that would be useless. Thing is with my iPhone I just look at iTunes as the device opening as a USB maybe because on a Mac the software works a bit better than the Windows version of it
 

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You say you do not slag apple off yet you just did by saying their icons look like kids toy icons??? I feel the exact same way about Android it looks too cartoony for my taste
But the beauty of android is that you can change the icons if you don't like them. You aren't grasping that simple concept.
 
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I believe there are fundamental, deep problems with android

Android is simply not a quality product to the degree that ios is. Everyone knows this because as soon as people can afford one, they move to an iPhone. Rarely are there switchers to android.

I think it's always interesting to hear other's opinions on things, but these two statements made me question your opinions.

The fundamental, deep problems are only problems that you have. As an Android user (and someone who started on iPhone and even bought an iPhone 6S a few months ago only to return it), I feel Android is better than iOS. It's just personal preference.

As for people rarely switching from iOS to Android, in my experience that's nonsense. Especially in the last couple of years, a large number of my friends and colleagues have decided to switch to Android. And in many cases, I very much doubt it has to do with cost - the Samsung S7 isn't exactly cheap.
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I dislike Android for the fact that it's UI looks unfinished, it's icons are generally ugly

This, however, I do agree with. No amount of fiddling makes the homescreen look tidy, organised and fluid.
 
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But the beauty of android is that you can change the icons if you don't like them. You aren't grasping that simple concept.
Have you seen themes that are available for touchwiz? They are worse than horrible. If you want some decent theme ,that covers the UI deeper, to install you have to root the phone as far as i know. Installing launchers? No thank you.

From that point it's not hard to just jailbreak an iPhone.
 

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I'm a designer by trade, look for and notice perfection. Apple has it, Samsung is trying and is close but not there yet.
Are you telling me that Apple interfaces (yes plural)are to be considered perfetions?
On iOS is a little better but on mac... iTunes is different from the Finder....from iMovie....from final cut.... quicktime... No consistency at all all app look different from one another (even the icon ...some are flat others are 3d....).

Yes the icon are all similar (as in shape in iOS), but it ends.
Any designer would tell you that even Apple is not that consistent....heck they don't even follow the GUI guidelines they publish!!
 
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