Here's why I can not adjust to android

[Klyster]

You shouldn't need to change it that's the point I'm making. A lot of Android users don't do the whole customization thing they use the phone out the box.

Themes.....I like being able to change icons straight out of the box..

I like wireless charging too.


It's great being able to try things and choose other options if they're not to our taste.

 

[bufffilm]

Its not as black and white as that, but in this case the Camera on the S7 is widely regarded as being better then the 6s. The OP stated it like it was a fact the 6s has the better camera, simply not true and therefore i was not compelled to read the rest of the post.

Actually, although the s7 camera is clearly better than Apple's in low light conditions, quite a few reviews have remarked that the former does also too much pre-processing on photos in certain cases.

And that in some cases, it's preferable to have the Apple photos, even if they're not quite as detailed, for purposes of raw editing.

I'm not anywhere close to that level of sophistication when it comes to pictures.

The 'best' camera would be a cross between the two. Both brands still have some work to do with this.

 

[NickHunt7]

Themes.....I like being able to change icons straight out of the box..

I like wireless charging too.


It's great being able to try things and choose other options if they're not to our taste.

My point again is some people literally take the phone out the box and don't change a thing. They just use it as a phone and that's where we are saying its ugly because people don't want to have to download a theme or add a launcher just to make it look nice. They need to look nice from the word go without customization

 

[elf69]

Agree with you there NickHunt

 

[M. Gustave]

...that is the market for iPhones - technologically ignorant people.

Yet you join, read, and post on their forums. Got it. So what does that make you?
[doublepost=1465384447][/doublepost]OP doesn't like Android, macrumors rages.

Hilarious.

 

[Klyster]

Well looking nice is subjective and what you find to be the grandest out there, may be considered not that pretty by many others.

So yeah, in a world where everyone loves the same look of things, having no option to change would be fine and dandy.

But the world isn't like that so......

 

[NickHunt7]

Well looking nice is subjective and what you find to be the grandest out there, may be considered not that pretty by many others.

So yeah, in a world where everyone loves the same look of things, having no option to change would be fine and dandy.

But the world isn't like that so......

Yeah if only the world could understand this. It doesn't matter what you like because somebody else is not going to like it.

Use what you want to use and done deal

 

[martint235]

As someone who is new to the Apple world having used Android since the beginning and stuff like UIQ before that, threads like this are interesting. You get people from both sides who will maintain that their view of the world is better than others but if you read carefully there are some people actually debating the issues.

These issues are entirely subjective but from the OP dragging down from the top for settings is instinctive for me and I don't understand why you think swiping up is better. It's just a swipe. Subjective though.

The one thing I don't get on with on Apple is the lack of an app drawer. I thought my main issue would be lack of proper widgets, eg being able to have one screen showing my calendar and todo list but it's having to have an icon for all my apps somewhere on my homescreens (yes I know about folders, Android does them too). Could we please have an app drawer?

 

[NickHunt7]

As someone who is new to the Apple world having used Android since the beginning and stuff like UIQ before that, threads like this are interesting. You get people from both sides who will maintain that their view of the world is better than others but if you read carefully there are some people actually debating the issues.

These issues are entirely subjective but from the OP dragging down from the top for settings is instinctive for me and I don't understand why you think swiping up is better. It's just a swipe. Subjective though.

The one thing I don't get on with on Apple is the lack of an app drawer. I thought my main issue would be lack of proper widgets, eg being able to have one screen showing my calendar and todo list but it's having to have an icon for all my apps somewhere on my homescreens (yes I know about folders, Android does them too). Could we please have an app drawer?

I've created my own "app drawer" by using a folder that puts apps I don't use often in alphabetical order. The apps I use stay on my other pages and that one folder with all the not so used apps is in my app dock on the bottom so it functions like one. It's a workaround but feels the same to an extent.

Widgets I agree with would be nice on the homepage.

I've made iOS work for me the way I need it to. Also the widgets they have in the Notification Center do a good enough job for me

 

[NickHunt7]

As someone who is new to the Apple world having used Android since the beginning and stuff like UIQ before that, threads like this are interesting. You get people from both sides who will maintain that their view of the world is better than others but if you read carefully there are some people actually debating the issues.

These issues are entirely subjective but from the OP dragging down from the top for settings is instinctive for me and I don't understand why you think swiping up is better. It's just a swipe. Subjective though.

The one thing I don't get on with on Apple is the lack of an app drawer. I thought my main issue would be lack of proper widgets, eg being able to have one screen showing my calendar and todo list but it's having to have an icon for all my apps somewhere on my homescreens (yes I know about folders, Android does them too). Could we please have an app drawer?

I've created my own "app drawer" by using a folder that puts apps I don't use often in alphabetical order. The apps I use stay on my other pages and that one folder with all the not so used apps is in my app dock on the bottom so it functions like one. It's a workaround but feels the same to an extent.

Widgets I agree with would be nice on the homepage.

I've made iOS work for me the way I need it to. Also the widgets they have in the Notification Center do a good enough job for me

 

[martint235]

I've created my own "app drawer" by using a folder that puts apps I don't use often in alphabetical order. The apps I use stay on my other pages and that one folder with all the not so used apps is in my app dock on the bottom so it functions like one. It's a workaround but feels the same to an extent.

Widgets I agree with would be nice on the homepage.

I've made iOS work for me the way I need it to. Also the widgets they have in the Notification Center do a good enough job for me

Ok this is me being new to Apple again, what's the app dock? The stuff at the bottom (swipe up) I've only really used for music control and turning WiFi on and off. I've just noticed there's a camera link and torch link in there, how do I edit what appears?

I'm kind of making Apple work for me (and to be fair I had to make Android work for me too). The primary reason for going to Apple was a decently powered small factor device (the SE) and remains valid so I have no regrets (although I do seem to have spent a lot of money trying to find an email app that does just what I want)

 

[Channan]

The fact you need that many apps installed just enjoy doing basic **** on your phone is astounding

Lol what kind of logic is this? He doesn't need all of those apps to enjoy "basic" **** on his phone. He's fully taking advantage of his phone which is awesome. The fact that you pay $650+ for a phone just to do basic **** that phones half the price can do is astounding.

 

[NickHunt7]

Ok this is me being new to Apple again, what's the app dock? The stuff at the bottom (swipe up) I've only really used for music control and turning WiFi on and off. I've just noticed there's a camera link and torch link in there, how do I edit what appears?

I'm kind of making Apple work for me (and to be fair I had to make Android work for me too). The primary reason for going to Apple was a decently powered small factor device (the SE) and remains valid so I have no regrets (although I do seem to have spent a lot of money trying to find an email app that does just what I want)

It's the area at the bottom of your screen where there's usually 4 apps I think default is phone music and 2 others but it's the area underneath the page dots below your icons

You will see in the image mine has whatsapp, a folder, Instagram and Music

 

[NickHunt7]

Lol what kind of logic is this? He doesn't need all of those apps to enjoy "basic" **** on his phone. He's fully taking advantage of his phone which is awesome. The fact that you pay $650+ for a phone just to do basic **** that phones half the price can do is astounding.

It is very basic stuff that he's doing though again he uses the phone that way and some people use it a different way and can still do everything he's doing

 

[NickHunt7]

Ok this is me being new to Apple again, what's the app dock? The stuff at the bottom (swipe up) I've only really used for music control and turning WiFi on and off. I've just noticed there's a camera link and torch link in there, how do I edit what appears?

I'm kind of making Apple work for me (and to be fair I had to make Android work for me too). The primary reason for going to Apple was a decently powered small factor device (the SE) and remains valid so I have no regrets (although I do seem to have spent a lot of money trying to find an email app that does just what I want)

We can't change things in the swipe up area yet, rumors for iOS 10 suggest it may be so but we'll see next Monday, and a good email app I would suggest AirMail as I know it does quite a bit but it depends what you want your mailing app to do. I for one just the new version of gmail called Inbox it manages stuff quite nicely.

 

[martint235]

It's the area at the bottom of your screen where there's usually 4 apps I think default is phone music and 2 others but it's the area underneath the page dots below your icons

You will see in the image mine has whatsapp, a folder, Instagram and Music

Ah ok. Not in the swipe up bit. Those 4 are already in use for my really need to get to quickly stuff (Phone, messages, email and calendar). Will give it some thought though.
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We can't change things in the swipe up area yet, rumors for iOS 10 suggest it may be so but we'll see next Monday, and a good email app I would suggest AirMail as I know it does quite a bit but it depends what you want your mailing app to do. I for one just the new version of gmail called Inbox it manages stuff quite nicely.

Thanks again. Strangely enough I have settled on Airmail. Tried inbox, paid for Dispatch (didn't really get on with it) and tried and paid for various others.

I don't want to turn this into a tutorial thread for me though so I'll leave it there apart from this has just raised another issue: a lot of Apple apps you have to buy rather than try then buy but hey ho.

 

[bufffilm]

As someone who is new to the Apple world having used Android since the beginning and stuff like UIQ before that, threads like this are interesting. You get people from both sides who will maintain that their view of the world is better than others but if you read carefully there are some people actually debating the issues.

These issues are entirely subjective but from the OP dragging down from the top for settings is instinctive for me and I don't understand why you think swiping up is better. It's just a swipe. Subjective though.

The one thing I don't get on with on Apple is the lack of an app drawer. I thought my main issue would be lack of proper widgets, eg being able to have one screen showing my calendar and todo list but it's having to have an icon for all my apps somewhere on my homescreens (yes I know about folders, Android does them too). Could we please have an app drawer?

No app drawer unless you're JB. And
frankly, even though I've added that tweak to my iPhone, I've not used it once.

Good app layout and folders goes a long way towards not having one. But wouldn't hurt if Apple put one in on a future iOS.

PS. Try the Spark mail app over the default Apple one. Quite better due to the Smart Inbox (which you can toggle off when you want to see everything in chrono order).
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I don't want to turn this into a tutorial thread for me though so I'll leave it there apart from this has just raised another issue: a lot of Apple apps you have to buy rather than try then buy but hey ho.

Actually, the biggest missing android thing is there's no good places to hang out to talk and discuss pros and cons of everything from various apps to aftermarket cases/screen protectors to even the different new phone models.

Going to XDA, android central, etc only covers a very small segment of the whole conversation.

 

[pixel_junkie]

Are you telling me that Apple interfaces (yes plural)are to be considered perfetions?
On iOS is a little better but on mac... iTunes is different from the Finder....from iMovie....from final cut.... quicktime... No consistency at all all app look different from one another (even the icon ...some are flat others are 3d....).

Yes the icon are all similar (as in shape in iOS), but it ends.
Any designer would tell you that even Apple is not that consistent....heck they don't even follow the GUI guidelines they publish!!

I was talking about hardware and craftsmanship only.

 

[JackieInCo]

--the amazing number of ads in apps. It's immediately noticeable. Ads everywhere and very reminiscent of windows laptops vs macs.
--the app quality, no matter what, is always always always always better on ios. I think it's not just as simple as the money trail. Have you tried to develop for android vs ios? ios is just so much faster. Android development is very bloated and the compatibility libraries and subtle differences between devices make for least common denominator apps with more bugs...or the devs just don't care as much. The app quality is easily poorer for all but the big huge billion dollar companies.

The ads are there so much in Android apps supposedly because people are more likely to pay for app on iOS then on the Android platform so they load free apps with ads. To get around this on all my Android phones, I use an adblocker such as Adaway or Adguard. Either one of these block ads in apps as well as any browser I use.

App quality used to be much better on iOS but I personally believe there is no difference these days. Sometimes the app quality is much better on Android because the developers have much more freedom to do things where iOS is restricted.

I have owned every iPhone except for the 5 and 6. I have the 6+, 6S and 6S+ as well as a 5S but I much prefer my S7 Edge and Note 5 as well as my Note Edge and Note 4 over the iPhone anyday.

 

[8692574]

I was talking about hardware and craftsmanship only.

Design is not how it looks but how it works oh and HW and SW goes hand in hand

 

[C DM]

iPhones are for people who are scared of technology. They are good basic devices though.

Addressing supposed stereotypes and generalities with stereotypes and generalities.

 

[AppleRobert]

My point again is some people literally take the phone out the box and don't change a thing. They just use it as a phone and that's where we are saying its ugly because people don't want to have to download a theme or add a launcher just to make it look nice. They need to look nice from the word go without customization

You just stereotyped Iphones because 99% of folks that own one don't need anything more than what it does out of the box.

 

[martint235]

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Actually, the biggest missing android thing is there's no good places to hang out to talk and discuss pros and cons of everything from various apps to aftermarket cases/screen protectors to even the different new phone models.

Going to XDA, android central, etc only covers a very small segment of the whole conversation.

I actually found that a positive. There are many different sources of information for Android. You want technical stuff, you can't beat XDA. Want to just chat about Android at a slightly less technical level: Android Central, Android Forums etc.

For apple stuff I've only really found here and iMore.

 

[Twixt]

Bottom line: maybe I'm picky and I'm not considering bang for the buck that android provides. But what I totally did not realize is this about the galaxy s7 compared to the 6s:

Why I left (what I thought I was missing):
--better battery
--better camera
--better screen
--notification light
--more customization/hackability
--cheaper, way less expensive real world prices
--more "open"

What I think most people don't know or simply for some reason do not care about which is beyond me:

--the battery life is not much better, if at all a week or two later. Why? Because you will download apps that will somehow be leeching battery juice, yes, even after doze on android 6.0. All that backgrounding does take a toll, those android services. the standby time is way better than it used to be, but it still is not like the iphone, where fully loaded up with apps, the battery barely moves overnight.
--the camera on the s7 is NOT better than the 6s. The color balance matters, and it's yellow. The raw hardware is better, but the final result, is not. It's oversharpened, by a noticeable amount. And the pro mode is not that "pro" as there is no shutter priority. Get an app for that. I did. The apps don't support Android 6 yet, and the picture quality has dramatically worse quality than the Samsung camera app. There is some image processing that the apps do not have access to or whatever it is, the picture is terrible. So yes I can customize but the end result is worse than the Samsung default camera app. In the end the iphone camera is easily better to me and more reliable. But the Samsung focuses faster. Low light was not a night and day difference to me, especially since I didn't realize how much the yellow color cast would bother me. Yup it's brighter but everything looks yellow. Not a clear win to me, which surprised me.
--screen is not as peak bright as 6s, but it's not a bad screen, very good but the superhigh res did not matter to me. sunlight legibility was not better than the 6s, which many reviews said it was. It just makes the contrast very milky etc and it's not clear that this is more legible.
--notification light I thought would be great a la blackberry days . But oddly enough the notifications coming in bothered me (not the light), because I kept having to press "clear" "clear" "clear". Apps would install themselves with a ad banner type bar, or a weather app would install itself in the notification bar, and it was annoying to see these what I'd consider unwanted adware in the notiification bar.
--the amazing number of ads in apps. It's immediately noticeable. Ads everywhere and very reminiscent of windows laptops vs macs.
--the app quality, no matter what, is always always always always better on ios. I think it's not just as simple as the money trail. Have you tried to develop for android vs ios? ios is just so much faster. Android development is very bloated and the compatibility libraries and subtle differences between devices make for least common denominator apps with more bugs...or the devs just don't care as much. The app quality is easily poorer for all but the big huge billion dollar companies.
--UI lag. You've got 8 cores but it's immediately, patently obvious that the way android is designed just is not smooth in the way ios is. Chrome for crying out loud lags when scrolling, or it will after a week. Transitions are jerky at times, etc. Pulling up a context menu, etc. This is immediately apparent to any average ios user. It just doesn't feel "smooth".
--Unsensible defaults. When I press play on a video link, I get a small tiny window, rather than Safari giving you full attention and turning the video fullscreen. On a device this small, I'd think safari's fullscreen by default, give all your attention to the video, makes sense for most. And right now there's no way to turn this to the default option on my s7.
--The font system is also off: either too big or too small when adjusting font size in many apps such as chrome, gmail, etc. It seems odd but despite bigger screens, the information being presented is less than the iphone. Or if more than the iphone, the text is too small. Seems to be no middle ground here.
--Swipe from top of screen to toggle quick controls is not user friendly. Bottom would be better, but that may be for google now.
--Privacy. Wow. No idea what Google is tracking and why, there's just no confidence there. I think this is a huge bet that only Apple has wagered correctly on. I tried to get ad blocking to work and figured you can't on Chrome, makes sense....that's how Google makes money. But then it seemed odd to have to download an entire separate adblocker browser. Again the sensible default where you add a content filter to Safari. It was effortless.
--Lack of updates--I have no confidence these bugs will ever get fixed.
--Better headphone audio quality in iPhone. Music sounds better.
--there is no such thing as just use it out of the box and go with Android. No way. You've got to tinker and mess with settings and there's constant fiddling around to get the perfect setup. With iPhone it's all works sensibly with default options . I feel strongly that this is not just a familiarity bias. I was with the G1 at the very beginning and iphone was always better in this way.

I believe there are fundamental, deep problems with android that are not going to be solved unless there is a complete rewrite of the core and a rethinking of the philosophy. I'm really bullish on ios' future simply because the core features, like watching media, reading a website, listening to music, making phone calls, scrolling, etc are all highly intuitive and solid in a way that I do not believe android due to its fragmentation and mindset about the way apps are built are ever going to catch up to. It's open yes, but it's clear this openness is not the path towards quality. And if quality wins out in the end, ios is very safe. Android is simply not a quality product to the degree that ios is. Everyone knows this because as soon as people can afford one, they move to an iPhone. Rarely are there switchers to android.

iPhone does fine with basic needs. Reading your comments, it is obvious yours are in this category, my wife could have the same and is happy with her 5s...
If you need more from your phone than playing a mere video, wondering if font is right or whether screen seems too yellow, it is worth having a look to android.
My last iphone was a 3gs, I will never come back though have some aapl products at home. Productivity, customization, flexibility are MUCH better with Android!

 

[bufffilm]

I actually found that a positive. There are many different sources of information for Android. You want technical stuff, you can't beat XDA. Want to just chat about Android at a slightly less technical level: Android Central, Android Forums etc.

For apple stuff I've only really found here and iMore.

I've yet to a good place for android discussion.

XDA is good for some stuff, but is too scattered about. Discussions about Samsung phones is in different area than questions about android features, not that they're related of course.

The activity level is another minus.