How many people in this forum stayed with Apple or left?

[Roykor]

I left Apple on the computer side as a profesional in digital painting and image manipulation. I need a very fast computer that eats my nasty superbig Photoshop files. A beast PC is doing the job now and an extra kudo: it cost me half of what the old Mac Pro cost and is much much faster. Windows 10 is also suprisely fun to work with. So far, after couple of weeks i am very happy that i made this choice.

My iMac is near me on my desk but isnt turned on for a week now. Maybe i am going to sell it.

I don't understand people who want to stay with the brand no Mather what. Worshiping like its magic. This is not a happy marriage. And don't make it to romantic. They just want all your penny's, also that penny in the corner of your pocket you thought you lost it and forgot about it. The love is only one way, not back

These machines are tools to do our jobs. OSX is nice to work with. Windows 10 is nice to work with. It just needs a week or two to adapt and than your fine. Apple is clearly not interested to inform their users about the future of the Mac Pro and keep us all in a thick mist of mystery. Very very client UN-friendly and not a reliable partner too. On the PC side, i can swap new hardware in or out when ever i want and it cost much less, which is a bonus.

Also the cry babies about Windows is crap blabla.. most of them say it because they have learned that you must say that, if you are a real Apple man. Well, i have worked many many years with OSX, and the last two weeks i am full in W10. I was nervous and complained the first week. And the second week I was flying through the OS like i am using it for years. Its not science. Its just adapting. Getting used of minor other ways to do things. And some things you can change by using simple tools like Greenshot. The experience is the almost the same. Its all in your head!

So, yes, i am not with Apple anymore as an professional user, and if you are working with Adobe, the Mac is not the best configuration to fill our needs. Graphic designers dont need a mac, that magical designers use macs stuff is all based on history and died many many years ago.

I see Apple much more like Nintendo these days and for 95% aiming on consumers. Creating their own (business) software for their own machines and own OS. Closed system. Locked in. Good luck with that. I have spoken with users who want to switch to PC but cant, because there software is OSX only. To bad mate!

So my verdict:

Apple sells nice products
Looks awesome, slim, eye-candy
OSX is great
Windows 10 is awesome too (maybe even a better work OS)
Apple has the best marketeers
Home computer, digital wearable's, talblets and phones
You pay more, for okey (nothing special if you look to the competition)
Old harware for new 4 year ago pricing (Mac Pro)
Works great in closed eco system
Apple is unreliable as business partner (updates = u never know)
Apple is for consumers

I rest my case!

 

[PantherV]

Well I had already ordered the components for building a new pc, no new Mac Pro today would have been the nail in the coffin,wasn't suprised nothing new for computer hardware today.

 

[ITguy2016]

Despite the fact that my 2013 Mac Pro is old tech, I still love the machine. Would I buy one now? Not on your life - it's too old by today's standards. But would I buy a PC? Nope. The hardware may be more up to date, but whichever way you look at it, it still runs Windows. I have to sit at my computer all day and despite its faults, for me OS X is just a nicer experience than Windows. The fact it's Unix underneath with all the added benefits that brings (think security for starters) and it's a no brainer, frankly.

My 2013 Mac Pro will be 3 years old in the new year but still flies. It does everything I want it to do, very quickly and silently. At the end of the day, it does the job. Well. So I'm happy. If there comes a time when my computer is starting to get sluggish, I still wouldn't switch to a PC. I'd rather give up technology and do a Reggie Perrin. However the day when my nMP is slow is a long, looooong way in the future.

Having said all that. FOR **** SAKE APPLE - UPDATE THE HARDWARE!

Can you elaborate on this? Please detail what about UNIX, other than being UNIX, makes it more secure than Windows.

 

[JimGoshorn]

I left Apple on the computer side as a profesional in digital painting and image manipulation. I need a very fast computer that eats my nasty superbig Photoshop files. A beast PC is doing the job now and an extra kudo: it cost me half of what the old Mac Pro cost and is much much faster. Windows 10 is also suprisely fun to work with. So far, after couple of weeks i am very happy that i made this choice.

Since I am into graphics as well, what config did you get for your beast?

 

[Atisha]

I was frustrated with Apple and built a PC last month. I thought that I'd continue to use my 2012 rMBP for the web and non-gaming needs. After all, Macs are better quality products, you get what you pay for, and I like Mac OS.

I noticed two days ago that my rMBP has about 30 messed up pixels -- not really "dead," just displaying random colors where I normally keep my iTunes window. Keep in mind that the display will not go to sleep (which is Apple's fault), so I have been manually setting the brightness to zero every single time I'm done using it. Despite this and the rest of the care I provide my comp, 30 messed up pixels. 1 year ago I had the monitor replaced (barely) under the 3-year warranty for ghosting, along with the logic board, since my discreet graphics card wasn't working and there were severe fps issues in games. These repairs alone would have been around $1500 if I didn't buy extended Applecare. So the new monitor, only 1 year old, is now unusable for any graphics, editing, or gaming needs. That is two faulty rMBP monitors, one faulty logic board, one faulty dGPU.

My 2012 rMBP which I have treated like royalty with a perfect battery, no scratches or dents, no smudges or marks on the keyboard, always elevated for ventilation, cannot be resold and is basically garbage, after less than 4 years. Keep in mind that the 2012 rMBP cost $3200 when I bought it, and I only bought it because both iMacs and Mac Pros had not been refreshed in 1-2 years at the time. I didn't want a laptop, I was forced to get one, and the lack of refreshes problem hasn't changed in 4 years. I have never owned a Mac that died so quickly ever, and I have only owned Macs up until one month ago.

Apple sucks now, guys. It's beyond the point of accepting and reluctantly moving on. Everything about them is actual trash. Some are still pretending that it's normal for a computer company to release a computer (which cannot be upgraded) every 3-4 years. Wait until they screw you like they did to me, then you'll get it.

 

[pat500000]

I left Apple on the computer side as a profesional in digital painting and image manipulation. I need a very fast computer that eats my nasty superbig Photoshop files. A beast PC is doing the job now and an extra kudo: it cost me half of what the old Mac Pro cost and is much much faster. Windows 10 is also suprisely fun to work with. So far, after couple of weeks i am very happy that i made this choice.

My iMac is near me on my desk but isnt turned on for a week now. Maybe i am going to sell it.

I don't understand people who want to stay with the brand no Mather what. Worshiping like its magic. This is not a happy marriage. And don't make it to romantic. They just want all your penny's, also that penny in the corner of your pocket you thought you lost it and forgot about it. The love is only one way, not back

These machines are tools to do our jobs. OSX is nice to work with. Windows 10 is nice to work with. It just needs a week or two to adapt and than your fine. Apple is clearly not interested to inform their users about the future of the Mac Pro and keep us all in a thick mist of mystery. Very very client UN-friendly and not a reliable partner too. On the PC side, i can swap new hardware in or out when ever i want and it cost much less, which is a bonus.

Also the cry babies about Windows is crap blabla.. most of them say it because they have learned that you must say that, if you are a real Apple man. Well, i have worked many many years with OSX, and the last two weeks i am full in W10. I was nervous and complained the first week. And the second week I was flying through the OS like i am using it for years. Its not science. Its just adapting. Getting used of minor other ways to do things. And some things you can change by using simple tools like Greenshot. The experience is the almost the same. Its all in your head!

So, yes, i am not with Apple anymore as an professional user, and if you are working with Adobe, the Mac is not the best configuration to fill our needs. Graphic designers dont need a mac, that magical designers use macs stuff is all based on history and died many many years ago.

I see Apple much more like Nintendo these days and for 95% aiming on consumers. Creating their own (business) software for their own machines and own OS. Closed system. Locked in. Good luck with that. I have spoken with users who want to switch to PC but cant, because there software is OSX only. To bad mate!

So my verdict:

Apple sells nice products
Looks awesome, slim, eye-candy
OSX is great
Windows 10 is awesome too (maybe even a better work OS)
Apple has the best marketeers
Home computer, digital wearable's, talblets and phones
You pay more, for okey (nothing special if you look to the competition)
Old harware for new 4 year ago pricing (Mac Pro)
Works great in closed eco system
Apple is unreliable as business partner (updates = u never know)
Apple is for consumers

I rest my case!

It's true that Apple is unfriendly company...more like ruthless toward users.
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I was frustrated with Apple and built a PC last month. I thought that I'd continue to use my 2012 rMBP for the web and non-gaming needs. After all, Macs are better quality products, you get what you pay for, and I like Mac OS.

I noticed two days ago that my rMBP has about 30 messed up pixels -- not really "dead," just displaying random colors where I normally keep my iTunes window. Keep in mind that the display will not go to sleep (which is Apple's fault), so I have been manually setting the brightness to zero every single time I'm done using it. Despite this and the rest of the care I provide my comp, 30 messed up pixels. 1 year ago I had the monitor replaced (barely) under the 3-year warranty for ghosting, along with the logic board, since my discreet graphics card wasn't working and there were severe fps issues in games. These repairs alone would have been around $1500 if I didn't buy extended Applecare. So the new monitor, only 1 year old, is now unusable for any graphics, editing, or gaming needs. That is two faulty rMBP monitors, one faulty logic board, one faulty dGPU.

My 2012 rMBP which I have treated like royalty with a perfect battery, no scratches or dents, no smudges or marks on the keyboard, always elevated for ventilation, cannot be resold and is basically garbage, after less than 4 years. Keep in mind that the 2012 rMBP cost $3200 when I bought it, and I only bought it because both iMacs and Mac Pros had not been refreshed in 1-2 years at the time. I didn't want a laptop, I was forced to get one, and the lack of refreshes problem hasn't changed in 4 years. I have never owned a Mac that died so quickly ever, and I have only owned Macs up until one month ago.

Apple sucks now, guys. It's beyond the point of accepting and reluctantly moving on. Everything about them is actual trash. Some are still pretending that it's normal for a computer company to release a computer (which cannot be upgraded) every 3-4 years. Wait until they screw you like they did to me, then you'll get it.

I'm thinking that non retina MacBook Pro would have better resale....

 

[Roykor]

Since I am into graphics as well, what config did you get for your beast?

M8, i wend for a:

6800K i7 6-core that is easy to oc to 4ghz (12 treads)
32gb DDR4
M.2. 950 pro 512gb which is bizar fast. W10 was installed under 3 minutes.
850 Evo 1tb for bulk
GTX 1070 for cuda muscle (and fun in spare time)
This all is build in a Define R5 case. Nice, clean, very very quiet.

aprox 2600 euro

I addressed 25gb to Photoshop so he can dig his self in the memory. And he can use the M.2 for scratch too. An recent PSB file i worked in on my Mac was 14Gb big. It took 20 minutes to load it, and 30 minutes to safe it. Zooming and moving was a hell. This beast, loads the file in less than 1 minute and i can fly through it like its a 2mb photo.

I am so happy that i made the choice. I cant wait for ever and dont want to spend a lot of green on something old, only to keep me with OSX.

Remember, its just a tool. Good luck with your choosing!

 

[JimGoshorn]

Roykor, Thanks for the details. I had a similar config idea but I hesitated about the 950 Pro because I was concerned that at the speed of the SSD, there might be heat issues (?) so I was thinking 512 SATA SSD. I decided on 6 core but only 256gb for the active work files SSD (too small?). Is the 1070 working out well (I read that Photoshop only needs a midrange GPU). My files are only in the 2-3gb range so you confirmed that 32gb would be plenty for RAM. I also was thinking of 2 4tb drives for finished files, Lightroom catalog, misc documents, images/art and the like.

Thanks again

 

[handsome pete]

6800K i7 6-core that is easy to oc to 4ghz (12 treads)
32gb DDR4
M.2. 950 pro 512gb which is bizar fast. W10 was installed under 3 minutes.
850 Evo 1tb for bulk
GTX 1070 for cuda muscle (and fun in spare time)
This all is build in a Define R5 case. Nice, clean, very very quiet.

My build was pretty similar.

Went the same direction with RAM and storage. I have an 8-core (previous gen) overclocked to 4ghz. My biggest back and forths on parts were with the GPU and chassis. Ended up getting a workstation card simply because the best I could tell is that Maya (main software) simply performs better with it. I also wanted a simpler case and went with the Phanteks EVOLV mATX (which I love, though I wish they had a version without the window).

 

[Roykor]

Roykor, Thanks for the details. I had a similar config idea but I hesitated about the 950 Pro because I was concerned that at the speed of the SSD, there might be heat issues (?) so I was thinking 512 SATA SSD. I decided on 6 core but only 256gb for the active work files SSD (too small?). Is the 1070 working out well (I read that Photoshop only needs a midrange GPU). My files are only in the 2-3gb range so you confirmed that 32gb would be plenty for RAM. I also was thinking of 2 4tb drives for finished files, Lightroom catalog, misc documents, images/art and the like.

Thanks again

Yeah, i have read all the heat issues. No problems so far. I am not pushing my M2 all the way 24 hours a day. Its a beast. 2600 mbs read on my latest benchmark.

Photoshop doent benifit of the 1070 but i bought it for overal performance. I also like to play in other programs where Cuda comes around the corner. When the card is sitting idle, it turns of his fans. And when i game (a hour here and there in a month), i hit the 120fps stable on Ultra in BF4.

My build was pretty similar.

Went the same direction with RAM and storage. I have an 8-core (previous gen) overclocked to 4ghz. My biggest back and forths on parts were with the GPU and chassis. Ended up getting a workstation card simply because the best I could tell is that Maya (main software) simply performs better with it. I also wanted a simpler case and went with the Phanteks EVOLV mATX (which I love, though I wish they had a version without the window).

Yes, Maya and those other tools are more benefiting with a quardro. I even think you wont get support from them when they aks for it right? in overal, quadro's are much more expensive and in a lot of tools you wont see a big advantage vs a gfx card.

 

[Ph.D.]

The 950 will throttle under heavy, sustained loads, but you would have to work it very hard (e.g., for something like 30 minutes of continuous use, depending on cooling) before that would happen. For most people, it would never be a noticeable issue unless you are trying to use one in a fanless system.

 

[JimGoshorn]

All I would be using the 950 for would be the OS disk and scratch so I guess I wouldn't be pushing it that hard.

 

[cw48494]

Not huge into Apple but I do collect Powermacs, I wouldn't mind something newer if it were cheap enough (thrift-shop prices). I do have late '06 iMac/Macbook/Mac Pro which still do fine today with El Cap, if I need more power I jump on my main pc.

I'm real disappointed with the direction Apple is headed, hardware-wise.

 

[Ph.D.]

My "nnMP" system, bought "for fun" (and out of frustration) during the ridiculous wait:

Skylake 6700K, one-button overclock to 4.6 GHz.
GTX 1070 (MSI, OC, non-reference, fans remain off except during games).
32 GB DDR4 (2x16, 2 slots remaining).
Samsung 850 Evo, 1 TB, as main drive.
Premium 550W power supply with a fan that has never come on, ever.
All the latest ports except TB.
DVD burner built in.
MB has slot for a 4-lane M.2 SSD, which I'll get a little later.
Enthoo Evolve aluminum case in "titanium" silver color (looks great).
Running Linux Mint and Manjaro KDE Plasma (I don't do windows).

Presently in use along-side my 3,1 cMP. If the nMP is discontinued, this, or a more serious iteration, will become my main machine and Apple will be dead to me except maybe for a laptop (presently have an 11" Air).

 

[r0k]

I'm sitting here working on an older core 2 duo mac mini. I've got a 15 in pre-retina MBP and an 11" macbook air. They both kick this thing's butt. So I thought about replacing it with either a new mac mini or a mac pro. Then I saw some videos on youtube about how awful mac pro hardware is in terms of value. Well duh, any of us that have been buying Apple gear know there's a premium. I can barely stand using this thing but when I finally do cave and buy something else it will probably be a newer mac mini rather than the mac pro. If money was no object, I'd pick up a mac pro just to have some cushion. I'm not doing heavy video editing. I do graphics editing from time to time. I mostly do web browsing and text editing. I have built osx apps in xcode but only on my MBP and I haven't done that quite a long time. I would never consider a PC as an everyday use machine. If I had a must have application that was PC only, I'd get a decent Lenovo ultrabook and only power it on to use that app and I'd only do that if I couldn't get the app fully functioning in one of the Win7 virtualboxes I have lying around. So I voted "kind of..." on the survey because I would switch if I had to but I really strongly prefer Mac over everything else.

 

[Jack Burton]

Switched to PC a few years back. Win 7 was all right, I like win 10 a lot. I miss the mac. I still have a few mac machines bumping around and I love the iMac 5k, but worry about that thin enclosure.

But I work in 3d and 2d animation. I need GPU oomph other than AMD options. I know AMD outperforms nvidia in some Open CL benchmarks, but I don't do work with benchmark software. I use real world software. And the majority of it out there uses CUDA in some way or the other. Open CL will still run on nVidia cards. Even if it underperforms versus an AMD card, it doesn't matter. nVidia is the only one that works with everything.

My 3d package of choice (C4d) will eat 8 cores and ask for more, and I can get more cores for less on the PC now. The developer of that software, Maxon, has just entered into a partnership with nVidia for access to some rendering patents, and to give us a built in option to buy iray, the GPU accelerated version of Mental Ray, which is Cuda only.

Maxon has stated they support both win and mac, but it's clear one platform is getting more options than the other because of Apple's choices. Redshift, Maxwell GPU, Octane, Cycles, are all either CUDA only or are only feature complete while running CUDA hardware (Cycles).

Some vendors promise AMD support, but then drop it, then promise it again, etc. Enough. If I have nVidia I don't have to worry.

I'm giving Apple until october, and they need to blow me away. But I've got my parts all picked out on PC parts picker. Big honking nVidia GPU. 8 or 10 cores (can't decide) waiting to be overclocked with one click. DDR4. All SSD. M.2 as system, SSD file storage, and dedicated SSD scratch. All in one case.

I'll miss Mac OSX for a while. Then I'll forget as I have work to do.

 

[pcd109]

Switched to PC a few years back. Win 7 was all right, I like win 10 a lot. I miss the mac. I still have a few mac machines bumping around and I love the iMac 5k, but worry about that thin enclosure.

But I work in 3d and 2d animation. I need GPU oomph other than AMD options. I know AMD outperforms nvidia in some Open CL benchmarks, but I don't do work with benchmark software. I use real world software. And the majority of it out there uses CUDA in some way or the other. Open CL will still run on nVidia cards. Even if it underperforms versus an AMD card, it doesn't matter. nVidia is the only one that works with everything......

Hi,
I also do 3d animation and rendering. I purchased a Dell system with a pro quadro card. Day and night difference between Quadro and my old nvidia gaming card. I don't have any texture errors now so i can see what the hell i am doing(one thing people don't teach you is that quadro cards do renders on the fly and you can set-up AA for your models), i can spin huge CAD models witch before will bog down my system. I do a LOT of product assembly/disassembly videos as well as high end product renderings so i need to upload and see huge CAD files as fast as possible. The dual Xeons and quadro card make one dream system. I am more productive and work much more easy. Why Dell and not build myself: reliance. I will get a new Dell now for renewed 24/7 service. So you will NOT regret building/purchasing a pro system, will make your live much, much easier. If you want, you can use one special asus workstation motherboard and build your own system. either way much better than Apple has to offer....

 

[UAV]

well for aerospace you can't even use mac OS to run creo and catia. because they don't run on macOS.

 

[pat500000]

well for aerospace you can't even use mac OS to run creo and catia. because they don't run on macOS.

Good point. They run on pc?

 

[rawweb]

Then I saw some videos on youtube about how awful mac pro hardware is in terms of value. Well duh, any of us that have been buying Apple gear know there's a premium. I can barely stand using this thing but when I finally do cave and buy something else it will probably be a newer mac mini rather than the mac pro.

In 2013 the 6,1 was considered competitively priced for the components available: https://www.engadget.com/2013/12/31/price-comparison-between-apples-new-mac-pro-and-a-comparable-di/.

Today? Nope. With Apple refusing to update components over the last 2 years, it's a head scratcher as to why the price hasn't adjusted competitively. I don't believe there would be as many complaints if the price dropped. To compare historically, the 30" HD Cinema Display, dropped price several times over the course of it's 6 year life. Why not this? If they truly have plans to eventually update the machine (perhaps waiting on some kind of component, or feature), why not lower the price while you wait to try and keep sales moving? It makes 0 retail sense.

 

[AidenShaw]

In 2013 the 6,1 was considered competitively priced for the components available: https://www.engadget.com/2013/12/31/price-comparison-between-apples-new-mac-pro-and-a-comparable-di/.

That article makes the common mistake of pricing the PC with actual FirePro cards, vs. the Radeons in the MP6,1.

 

[JimGoshorn]

If they truly have plans to eventually update the machine (perhaps waiting on some kind of component, or feature), why not lower the price while you wait to try and keep sales moving? It makes 0 retail sense.

Well, nothing they're doing with the MacPro at this point makes sense. One question would be, if people are still purchasing them and they are going to discontinue them, is there any incentive to lower the price?

 

[AidenShaw]

Well, nothing they're doing with the MacPro at this point makes sense. One question would be, if people are still purchasing them and they are going to discontinue them, is there any incentive to lower the price?

It depends. And assuming that you believe the yuge amount of evidence that they're approaching end-of-life....

If they're selling at a slow rate (and there's no evidence that they're selling at all), then

• keep the current high price as long as there is supply
• when supply is nearly gone, announce the intent to discontinue the product
• if the remaining supply doesn't disappear quickly, lower the price

Note that Apple probably doesn't want to shaft resellers like B&H that might have inventory. (A normal company would show concern for the resellers, but Apple isn't a normal company.) So, doing the EOL announcement some time before the price drop would help the resellers.

 

[iMcLovin]

I left Apple on the computer side as a profesional in digital painting and image manipulation. I need a very fast computer that eats my nasty superbig Photoshop files. A beast PC is doing the job now and an extra kudo: it cost me half of what the old Mac Pro cost and is much much faster. Windows 10 is also suprisely fun to work with. So far, after couple of weeks i am very happy that i made this choice.

My iMac is near me on my desk but isnt turned on for a week now. Maybe i am going to sell it.

I don't understand people who want to stay with the brand no Mather what. Worshiping like its magic. This is not a happy marriage. And don't make it to romantic. They just want all your penny's, also that penny in the corner of your pocket you thought you lost it and forgot about it. The love is only one way, not back

These machines are tools to do our jobs. OSX is nice to work with. Windows 10 is nice to work with. It just needs a week or two to adapt and than your fine. Apple is clearly not interested to inform their users about the future of the Mac Pro and keep us all in a thick mist of mystery. Very very client UN-friendly and not a reliable partner too. On the PC side, i can swap new hardware in or out when ever i want and it cost much less, which is a bonus.

Also the cry babies about Windows is crap blabla.. most of them say it because they have learned that you must say that, if you are a real Apple man. Well, i have worked many many years with OSX, and the last two weeks i am full in W10. I was nervous and complained the first week. And the second week I was flying through the OS like i am using it for years. Its not science. Its just adapting. Getting used of minor other ways to do things. And some things you can change by using simple tools like Greenshot. The experience is the almost the same. Its all in your head!

So, yes, i am not with Apple anymore as an professional user, and if you are working with Adobe, the Mac is not the best configuration to fill our needs. Graphic designers dont need a mac, that magical designers use macs stuff is all based on history and died many many years ago.

I see Apple much more like Nintendo these days and for 95% aiming on consumers. Creating their own (business) software for their own machines and own OS. Closed system. Locked in. Good luck with that. I have spoken with users who want to switch to PC but cant, because there software is OSX only. To bad mate!

So my verdict:

Apple sells nice products
Looks awesome, slim, eye-candy
OSX is great
Windows 10 is awesome too (maybe even a better work OS)
Apple has the best marketeers
Home computer, digital wearable's, talblets and phones
You pay more, for okey (nothing special if you look to the competition)
Old harware for new 4 year ago pricing (Mac Pro)
Works great in closed eco system
Apple is unreliable as business partner (updates = u never know)
Apple is for consumers

I rest my case!

I completely agree with your summary. It is exactly how I feel - and I'm also working in the visual field with 3d and 2d. I finished building my PC about 3 weeks ago now, and I haven't missed mac for a second. Once all is tweaked this machine is such a smooth sailing that I dont know why I ever was so stupid to buy the iMac 5K for $4.000 USD. Gladly apple has good resell value, so I got rid of it pretty quickly. But now being able to install all the good stuff I've been missing out on, on software and on games and a machine that runs silent both in idle and under pressure (the iMac runs nearly 100 degrees celsius and not silent under pressure). Being able to swap out parts over time instead of preparing my wallet for another full 4K usd pay after 2 years (since I prefer updating my hardware to faster components on a regular basis when theres some profound improvements on the market). My new computer is way more powerful than the iMac ever was, I was never sold on the black trashcan Mac Pro which left me no other choice than the iMac, So I been working on an underpowered nice looking machine for too long.

To be honest, I don't understand why I haven't done this before...this is the thought coming into my head on a regular basis. I feel truly sorry for all the Mac Pro users here that "patiently" is waiting and clinging for a shred of proof that Apple even care about them as a user base. And if you need a new machine and being forced to wait without knowing anything for 3 years or buy outdated hardware, I would go nuts!!! So this proves that Apple has truly built an amazing loyalty with customers over the past decades. How long people are willing to sit on the fence and wait I dont know, but in my eyes, apple has manages over the 3 last years with the introduction of the Trashcan and the negligence of the previous Mac Pro (which also was completely neglected in the end) actually trashed all the loyalty they have built up to Professionals over the years. I dont know if this started with Tim Cook or not, but either the company is shifting focus completely or they have simply become lazy, but either way, not worth waiting for when you need the machines for work and not to make an office look nice. Tim Cook recently said he greatly cares about Mac - Yeah right!! what a load of BS, he cares about money. Making phones are les work, cost less to manufacture, easier to ship, more revenue per sale and takes up less space, so that's were all their focus lies - because he is a calculating greedy corporate boss.

I still use iPhone and iPad's, and will still do that for a while. But I'm considering there might be stuff from the competition that might serve me better there as well, and I've just been blinded after being inside apples closed garden and shiny materials. We shall see. I've had various technical problems with the screen of my thin Macbook and iphone lately too, so my trust is diminishing towards this company. Every company has their golden age, and I'm starting to feel that apple is on the last chapter of its golden age...their products are completely focused on fashion and cool-factor, which is fine...but if they are not going to deliver the whole package, then at least they need to open up their OSX for other vendors, if not the ripple effect of people leaving one step at a time will be huge.

...end of rant.
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Well, nothing they're doing with the MacPro at this point makes sense. One question would be, if people are still purchasing them and they are going to discontinue them, is there any incentive to lower the price?

I agree, it doesn't make sense at all - from a business standpoint. I suspect they dont even bother going into the web page and tweak the prices, that how little energy they have to offer the machine. They simply dont care about it anymore. I suspect they have a team of "none" working on it on daily basis.

 

[lowendlinux]

Just waiting for my Chomebook Pixel to arrive